def Posted January 23, 2011 Author Posted January 23, 2011 Vote Lynch Tally Lupo/Rufus 1 (Lord Arjay) TimTam Timmers 1 (Mrlegoninja)
Walter Kovacs Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 So luck finally caught up to Canny, huh. That is a shame. But the MO is completely different from the Sinister's typical method. I wonder if it was some sort of defensive tactic that caught him. The lack of an upside down corpse is encouraging. But I ask all of you, if I did in fact block the Sinsiter killer, do we really want to reveal and lynch him, or should I continue to block him and keep us safe at night, while we try and find his cronies during the day? In my mind, option two sounds much better.
ADHO15 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 The lack of an upside down corpse is encouraging. But I ask all of you, if I did in fact block the Sinsiter killer, do we really want to reveal and lynch him, or should I continue to block him and keep us safe at night, while we try and find his cronies during the day? In my mind, option two sounds much better. I disagree. There are more things that could go wrong with option two: you could be blocked, leaving the killer open to succeed again, or you could fail/forget/change your mind. Surely it's better to just get rid of them? It won't impact our search for the others, will it?
Zepher Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 What if they have a blocker, block you blocking their killer, and kill you. Honestly, that flaw took me all of two seconds to think up, so I'm sure there are more ways around it. Reveal it now. We need to get rid of a sinister today, why would you ever want to hide a sinister from the rest of the hospital?
ADHO15 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 What if they have a blocker, block you blocking their killer, and kill you. Honestly, that flaw took me all of two seconds to think up, so I'm sure there are more ways around it. Before or after you saw me say that right before you? In any case, we clearly agree and Jesus' gang should spill the beans. There's no point voicing suspicions if you're about to prove us wrong with solid evidence.
yumiyoshi Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 What if they have a blocker, block you blocking their killer, and kill you. Honestly, that flaw took me all of two seconds to think up, so I'm sure there are more ways around it. Reveal it now. We need to get rid of a sinister today, why would you ever want to hide a sinister from the rest of the hospital? I completely agree. How come we need to hide the name of a sinister when we should get rid of him? Plus if he kill the one able to block him, what we'll do? just quietly die?
Hinckley Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 We have to be sure today. Not only did we block somebody last night, we protected somebody too. It could be the killer was blocked or it could be the victim was protected. I will say that Esteban Bolero was targetting Nurse Pepper/yumiyoshi. I imagine his face was scalded off with a jar of acid or something, perhaps a defensive action on her part. So, maybe there's not another independent killer out there with a different MO. Since Jose Bolero made it to the staff room, we can only assume that he was about to kill her when her defense kicked in. Unless she was warned by the Jesus Gang Mole and she was ready with her jar of acid. Perhaps she had a jar of acid like Cat Manuel had a grenade. A one-time use thing. Another independent? A Sinister with a kill protection? What do you remember from last night, Nurse Pepper?
yumiyoshi Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Quote: Dr.Vigo N.penny: Nurse Penny replied first, "What can we do? I'm not a cop! I wasn't trained for this kind of work!" Last night I was in my room. As night actions I actually go to my room and hide there, closing the door and protecting myself with traps. That's my defense. Hiding as a rat (so cool -_- ). It was stated I was a war nurse, that's why I use those tricks to save myself. Didn't know nothing about his attack nor his death. Glad to know I was his target. You guys are really smart as a donkey. You go for the one you called idiot & dumb, and leave the real sinisters go around. Finally I got to see the truth: the group is full of sinisters tryin to throw mud around in order to kill the Sane/insane and reign on a wicked asylum. Wow. Dinally active in this reaseach: I'm one of those to kill 'cause I'm sane. Gotta say "good riddance senor Bol". You pissed me off. I thought you were really smarter (if insane/indipendent). This way, you show yourself as sinister. If you're part of the group, remember those that came up with the idea of killing me. Then kill the real sinister this time. Out of curiosity: was he goin' to kill me with maracas?
Hinckley Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Last night I was in my room. As night actions I actually go to my room and hide there, closing the door and protecting myself with traps. That's my defense. Hiding as a rat (so cool -_- ). So, you pretend to be new, but you have war experience? Why have you tried to seem naive this whole time? Acting like you don't know how to handle yourself in these situations when you are a war nurse has made you seem very suspicious. If you have such defenses, you are most likely Insane. If only we'd have known before we lost Guillermo Bolero. Nurse Pepper, please forgive us. Since we had a mole in our group, we were lead astray.
yumiyoshi Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 So, you pretend to be new, but you have war experience? Why have you tried to seem naive this whole time? Acting like you don't know how to handle yourself in these situations when you are a war nurse has made you seem very suspicious. If you have such defenses, you are most likely Insane. If only we'd have known before we lost Guillermo Bolero. Nurse Pepper, please forgive us. Since we had a mole in our group, we were lead astray. You've kept me out of your group, how could have I told you?How/Why can I trust you? I got war experience that got me menomated. Do you think I can kill people with these wheels? such a silent killer! And actually it should be "Nurse Penny, forgive us for trying to kill you"
Hinckley Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 And actually it should be "Nurse Penny, forgive us for trying to kill you" Well, geez. If you're going to take it personally. Yeah, I believe that's what I was saying.
def Posted January 24, 2011 Author Posted January 24, 2011 Vote Lynch Tally Lupo/Rufus 1 (Lord Arjay) TimTam Timmers/Lord Arjay 1 (Mrlegoninja)
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 The Mysterious Case of Tim Tam Timmers I know it’s been quiet in here today and here’s why. We’ve uncovered the Jesus Gang mole(s) and have been waiting to verify our story with the remaining members of our splintered group of trust. As I’ve told you my night action revealed last night that either Lupo or Tim Tam Timmers is a member of the Sinister gang. I was able to use my night action for the first time last night. I told the Jesus gang I would be attempting to switch Salvatore with Ryan. But I had lied. We were so commonly referring to a possible mole in our group that we had decided I would choose who to protect without letting the others know. I thought it would be smart to keep my night action a secret as well. I was not blocked and found that, since my night action only works on the unprotected Insane, either Lupo or Tim Tam are Sinister. The reason I chose them was because I was suspicious of Lupo and thought Tim Tam had proven himself when we tested him by having Professor Diem block him. Tim Tam told us how Walter had sang to him and Walter even verified it by quizzing him about what song he had serenaded him with. I contacted a couple of you today who now know what’s going on and why I asked you what I asked. Here’s where things started getting really interesting. We had learned through the garden (sorry we didn’t share it. Again, we were afraid there was a mole in our group) that the Sinister gang has a framer. They can make an Insane look Sinister when investigated. This explains Petey’s incorrect investigation results on Bear and King. (I didn’t understand that framing was a role, which is why I originally suspected Scouts to have literally framed Bear and King.) Since it was the first night I had used my night action, I had no idea how much it would reveal and it came with a little perk. I got a message today that a member of “a room without hair ( ? I know, right? ) was lying about their night action. I immediately thought of Tim Tam Timmers/Lord Arjay and how he had saved himself with his story about his night action and was verified by Professor Diem who we all believed to be our role blocker. Tim Tam lives in the chicken room and the chicken is an animal without hair. Funny that he’s bunking with Professor Diem too. In the morning, Salvatore had also mentioned that someone had climbed into bed with him last night. No singing accompanied the spooning. Professor Diem also was in bed with Dr. Ballbricker and claims to have blocked Dudley last night. Neither one of them heard any singing. In the mean time, Tim Tam is very angry that we haven’t convicted Lupo and Professor Diem want us to continue letting him block Dudley at night, since he’s convinced Dudley is the killer, since he “blocked” him last night. But, I asked our protector to protect Professor Diem last night and for some reason, neither Tim Tam nor Professor Diem seem to understand that Professor Diem was the most likely target (since it was revealed in the day thread that he was our “blocker”), so the victim may have just been protected, leaving Dudley a 50/50 for being the killer. So, what do we think happened? In case you all think I’m the anti-Christ, I’ll hold back the names of my most trusted allies, but I’ve been putting pieces together with them all day and here’s the theory. (cue Scooby-Doo “this is how they did it” music) Professor Diem and Tim Tam invent the story of the role blocker and how he sings to those he is spooning with. They make up the phony story about the song to verify Tim Tam and get the Jesus Gang to trust him. Tim Tam and Professor Diem are the Sinister framer and the Sinister killer respectively. Last night, they believe I’m going to switch Salvatore with Ryan, so they don’t have me blocked. Instead they try to frame Salvatore so the Jesus Gang will think that either Salvatore or Ryan are the mole. They also choose not to kill to place the blame for the murders on Dudley. Professor Diem offers to keep Dudley blocked while we search for the other Sinisters and they pick us off one by one until we’re outnumbered. Think that theory is correct? How’s this for a little kicker? Remember how you all insisted that Tim Tam was most likely the killer because of the blue arm in the photohraph and I defended him? Well, I apologize to you all and to the victims he took since. I hope we can right this wrong by convicting him today. His weapons will most likely pass to another member of his gang, but we’re on to them, finally, I hope. I mean, for God’s sake, if I’m wrong, I deserve to die. Really. But, after all this bloodshed, I think we’ve started uncovering the culprits. I doubt Professor Diem is our blocker. If we have a real blocker please contact me so I know we can block a potential killer. If we take out Professor Diem and block Tim Tam we can survive another night to find out more. Or we could risk taking out the killer now and the weapons being passed on. But, as mentioned before, there could be a blocker blocking our blocker I’m inclined to vote: Tim Tam Timmers/Lord Arjay I’d rather risk the weapons being passed than leaving him potentially unblocked and we’re running out of time.
Scouty Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 This is a lot to take in. I reaaaally have to take my evening nap now, so I'm going to proxy: Ricardo Salvator (Dwaggy). I'll be up from my nap before the day ends, though, so I can change if necessary.
Lord Arjay Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Oh my what a suprise - I don't think. Honestly, our little converation made it incredibly obvious that you were lying to me. Funny how your "theory" (oh hey, another theory which ends in death) make absolutely no sense. Unless you think that there is no insane blocker at all. If you were so sure of this, why wait until now to reveal your case? So that I cannot defend myself? That's a cowardly move filled with sinister motivations. Salvatore claims that someone crawled into bed with him last night? Unless you believe that Diem can do more than one thing each night, it's obvious he didn't target Dudley. Oh wait suddenly realised something! If King and Washing Bear were framed that means Petey was a normal investigator. Which would make Martin..? Oh yeah, he investigated Salvatore, who you've been saying ever since is confirmed insane completely ignoring other possibilities. Now who was Petey going to investigate on the night of his death....? So many things about you don't add up that you cannot be telling the truth. If the sinister blocker after all these nights suddenly decided that they didn't want to block you (which doesn't make sense) who did they block? No one else has claimed this wierd dream thing so there's only your word that they exist. Unless for some reason they decided to takke the night off. So in order to advance his victory, the sinisters will not kill on any nights just so Dudley can be framed? WTF?? That must be the stupedest plan I've ever heard. As I said, due to Jesus' underhand tactic to stifle discussion I will be unable to defend myself for the remainder of the day. I can only hope you see through this desperate last ditch attempt to kill an innocent. Unvote: Lupo / Rufus Vote: Jesus / Hinckley
Rick Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Salvatore claims that someone crawled into bed with him last night? Unless you believe that Diem can do more than one thing each night, it's obvious he didn't target Dudley. Oh wait suddenly realised something! If King and Washing Bear were framed that means Petey was a normal investigator. Which would make Martin..? Oh yeah, he investigated Salvatore, who you've been saying ever since is confirmed insane completely ignoring other possibilities. Now who was Petey going to investigate on the night of his death....? Martin was a day-time investigator and Petey was a night time investigator. Both sane, as it appears now. It makes sense for us to have three investigative actions (Rajim included), considering the apparently low number of sinister hiding amongst us. Don't you think it's weird that everyone victim of the framing of The King and The Chief, including Petey, ended up dead first? Because the next result was going to prove that Petey wasn't as cuckoo as we thought he was. Because he was going to investigate Salvatore, he would have gotten two fails and three confirmed (Ted, Havel, and Salvatore) correct results. That might have lead us to think there was something fishy about the first two results. But the sinister made sure, we didn't get the fifth result. So many things about you don't add up that you cannot be telling the truth. If the sinister blocker after all these nights suddenly decided that they didn't want to block you (which doesn't make sense) who did they block? No one else has claimed this wierd dream thing so there's only your word that they exist. Unless for some reason they decided to takke the night off. Remember Jesus disclosed to some people that he was testing whether his night action would work on Salvatore and me. Salvatore, while never being targeted at night before, was blocked last night. The sinister knew Jesus' night action wouldn't work on a blocked target, thus casting doubt on Salvatore or my 'insanity'. So in order to advance his victory, the sinisters will not kill on any nights just so Dudley can be framed? WTF?? That must be the stupedest plan I've ever heard. It would be brilliant. The sinster could continue to 'block' Dudley and use their block on someone else. Maybe they could already win tonight and would stab someone in the back with a kill nonetheless or claim that the sinister could probably choose who performs the kill or just 'oops, we didn't block the killer after all'.
def Posted January 24, 2011 Author Posted January 24, 2011 Lynch Vote Tally TimTam Timmers/Lord Arjay 2 (Mrlegoninja, Hinckley) Dougie/Hinckley 1 (Lord Arjay) Proxy Vote Tally Salvatore/Dragonator 1 (Scouts) 4.5 hours left. What a quiet day.
Bob Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Vote: Tim Tam Timmers/Lord Arjay I suppose so. It does make some sense.
Dragonator Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I've had a long think about the current situation. We have some great leads and appear to have finally uncovered two of the sinister. Now, the question is, which should we take out first? My natural inclination is to vote for TimTam and take out their killer, but as has been noted, the machete will simply be passed to the next goon, meaning we still don't stop them from killing tonight. We know the professor has an action, either that of the framer or the roleblocker. I think it would be more beneficial to us if we take him out first, and then deal with TimTam tomorrow. Firstly, it means our town roleblocker, who must be out there somewhere, knows who to block and can hopefully stop the killing that way. Secondly, it means the sinister will lose one of their primary night actions, that of the roleblocker (or framer). Taking out the Sinister roleblocker will be a huge help, as it means our own protector and blocker will have nothing to fear. How does that logic sound to the rest of you? I figure it is better for us to take out one of their power roles and know who their killer is so we can block that killer, rather than letting the machete be passed on and essentially not affecting their nightly actions at all. Therefore, I shall vote: Professor Diem (Walter Kovacs).
ADHO15 Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 That doesn't make much sense to me. What if we innocents don't have a roleblocker, or what if the machete isn't passed on? If we take out the killer today, and the machete is passed on, then the Professor will have to choose one action, as it's unlikely he'll be able to do both in one night. This means that there still won't be a blocking. I think it's better to be safe and convict a killer rather than try a tactic that could possibly fail. Well done to the 'Jesus Gang' for discovering these Sinisters, if you are correct. Vote: Tim Tam Timmers / Lord Arjay
Dragonator Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 That doesn't make much sense to me. What if we innocents don't have a roleblocker, or what if the machete isn't passed on? If we take out the killer today, and the machete is passed on, then the Professor will have to choose one action, as it's unlikely he'll be able to do both in one night. This means that there still won't be a blocking. If we don't have a roleblocker, then a killing will happen tonight regardless, however if we take out their roleblocker then our protector has a chance. The machete will be passed on, there is no doubting that. However, there is no guarantee it will be passed to the professor; I would say it is more likely to be passed to a third goon that we haven't uncovered yet, meaning we will be left not knowing who the killer is. In the event there really are only two sinister and it is passed to the professor, then I would say he will find time to both kill and block, it would make sense considering the lower numbers. I don't mind too much either way, they are both sinister, but I think killing the professor first gives us all a better chance of surviving to the end.
Rufus Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Mkay, it's a pretty strong argument for Timtam and the Professor being sinister. I still have one or two questions about the Professor, but his reaction (if any ) will tell us a lot. So I'm going to vote: Professor Diem.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I trusted you, Professor. One of the things that always bothered me about the mole theory was that you were still alive. How could there have been a mole if one of our most important roles was still around after being exposed? If you were the mole it would go a long way towards explaining it. I think Sal's advice seems sound. Plus I'm a little mad at you. Vote Professor Diem/ Walter Kovacs
def Posted January 24, 2011 Author Posted January 24, 2011 Lynch Vote Tally TimTam Timmers/Lord Arjay 4 (Mrlegoninja, Hinckley, BobTCM, ADHO15) Professor Diem/Walter Kovacs 4 (Dragonator + Scouts, Rufus, CorneliusMurdock) Dougie/Hinckley 1 (Lord Arjay) Proxy Vote Tally Salvatore/Dragonator 1 (Scouts)
Rick Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I strongly believe we're finally onto uncovering the Sinister in this institution and in deciding between the Spacetwin and the Professor, Salvatore has convinced me to... Vote: Professor Diem
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