Getting the pieces for Lego 10190 Market Street

[Heppeng]

I am in the same situation - will be watching this thread closely!

[Heppeng]

Apologies for resurrecting an old thread but it seemed like the most appropriate one.

I'm starting to build MS from scratch (having done CC a couple of years ago) and I need to put a parts order in while the dark blue arches are in stock with the spare parts service. Is there anything else I should pick up directly from Lego at the same time before I start on the Bricklink orders?

There are quite a few bits it is worth getting new from lego, besides the arches.

Window frames - Bricklink average price £3.99, lego price new 38p, and as you need 10 thats a hell of a saving!!

I am also looking to buy all the medium and dark blue 1x2 and 1x4 bricks from lego, 11p and 19p respectively. I was looking at substituting different shapes to get the price down on bricklick, but then realised that it would only be slightly more expensive to get them from lego brand new, and then all the bricks would be the right shape, And the extra cost would be mitigated somewhat by needing fewer bricklink orders - and thus less postage.

I will have a closer look at the rest of the inventory to see if it is worth adding anything else to the lego order hopefully this weekend.

[sin]

There are quite a few bits it is worth getting new from lego, besides the arches.

Are the blue arches available via BnP? I checked the website today and they were showing as 'unavailable'.

[The Jersey Brick Guy]

I am looking to place a bricks and pieces order, do the sales reps mind if you call and ask for prices on parts?

Sorry for the interruption, but I was curious as to the reaction everyone has gotten from their reps.

Thanks!

[TheLegoDr]

^ I've only talked to them when I was finalizing, but every time I have called they have been really friendly and helpful at first then they get annoyed when I am asking about other pieces to add to my list. So it might be ymmv. I wanted to place another order soon, but the bnp site didn't have a lot of the pieces I wanted in it. And don't sets show pieces missing compared to before the big sabbatical it had.

Also, I ordered the dark blue arches the moment the winter village set went live. I'm sure they have been a popular piece. But I couldn't pass them up.

Edited January 16, 2014 by TheLegoDr

[Heppeng]

Are the blue arches available via BnP? I checked the website today and they were showing as 'unavailable'.

Yes they are, 55p each. I think that when they became available they forgot to update the market street inventory, so it still shows unavailable on there, but if you go to the winter village market inventory they are available, so you can just add them to your basket from there instead.

[Wodanis]

Yes they are, 55p each. I think that when they became available they forgot to update the market street inventory, so it still shows unavailable on there, but if you go to the winter village market inventory they are available, so you can just add them to your basket from there instead.

I paid 10 Euro for my arch...boo to bricklink!

I am looking to place a bricks and pieces order, do the sales reps mind if you call and ask for prices on parts?

Sorry for the interruption, but I was curious as to the reaction everyone has gotten from their reps.

Thanks!

For the most part I have excellent customer service from their reps. Really the only thing to keep in mind is they are people who have moods. Once in awhile I get someone on the line who has been having a rough day or what not and aren't terribly joyed when I am asking for a price per part. Just make sure you have the element ID numbers. Makes a world of difference for them.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Wodanis

[Heppeng]

Well I have gone and done it! I have now ordered all the bricks for my market street. I am really quite chuffed, because I have ended up with a market street that is 99.5% true to the original, for a price somewhere around £150. This is for orders from lego, and three bricklink vendors. The only compromises I have made are:

1. White 8.5 long tabbed flexible hoses replaced by White 8.5 long tabless flexible hoses.

2. Light bley doors replaced by light grey.

3. I have not purchased the minifigs and the green hairpiece which I think is supposed to be a cabbage or something.

I did have some bricks from my own collection to use, but they were only a few here and there - Probably not much more than a fivers worth.

One thing that really surprised me was getting the correct windows from lego - they seem to be stupidly expensive on bricklink and yet lego sells them for 38p each. Was almost tempted to buy 100 of them and start a bricklink store selling them at £2 each or so. Pretty good return, but I expect someone else will do that soon and the bricklink price will tumble - I think someone is already selling 100 of the blue arches at £1 each...

I must also say excellent customer service from lego, they allowed me to change my order quite a bit once I had double checked bricklink prices and found even more bricks that it was cheaper to buy new from lego!

Edited January 19, 2014 by Heppeng

[TheLegoDr]

I think the dark blue arches are around $0.71. And they wouldn't update market street inventory with them. More than likely they are a new mold and thus a new ID number. After they have been out of production for this long the molds always get a slight modification. Even the lion head is a different ID number. At least that is from my experience.

I definitely will be modifying my market street, so I probably won't worry too much about a lot of the original pieces. But his job on getting one near complete at that price!

[Heppeng]

I think the arches are a fairly regular production item, so the moulds would be in frequent use, just not in that particular colour. Indeed I would imagine that for the more common bricks there would be several moulds to produce the required numbers. Can't believe that there would be only one mould of a 2x1 brick for example!

Had to switch one order to other bricklink vendors so the price might be creeping north of £170 with postage, I will try and get an accurate tally when all is done and built!

[antp]

Can't believe that there would be only one mould of a 2x1 brick for example!

At least two :D since the tube inside the brick is sometimes hollowed (but not always, even on recent sets)

[TheLegoDr]

The arches may be fairly common, but every time a new color is involved it has a new ID number. Once it goes out of production and they bring it back it will have a new ID number. For example, this link will show that there are two separate LEGO ID numbers for the one part.

[kermit]

I attempted to do this via bricklink but the cost ran over $150 .

[TheLegoDr]

Oh yeah, I don't think it would be very easy to build it around msrp. I'm sure there will always be some overhead, even if it is only shipping from multiple vendors. Thankfully a lot of my green grocer and cafe corner are built from my collection, only needing some select parts. That might save on the end cost, but I still had to buy the other sets where I got all of these pieces from...

[Inzane]

Yes they are, 55p each. I think that when they became available they forgot to update the market street inventory, so it still shows unavailable on there, but if you go to the winter village market inventory they are available, so you can just add them to your basket from there instead.

* Edit * Nevermind, I figured out what i was doing wrong.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Inzane

[cocabottle]

I did this last month and did it for around €200. And if you want to be a pureist; the window frames LEGO is offering via BnP are not the correct ones used in Market Street I believe. MS has the old container frames and BnP has a new and upgraded version offered. I'm still missing 10 2x1 earth blue bricks which I'll order later this week.

[Heppeng]

If what TheLegoDr says is correct, they should be the correct windows as I ordered them directly from the lego BnP inventory of Market Street and should therefore be correct. However, if they are not the right ones it would explain the bricklink prices...

Just did a final total up - £173 including postage give or take a penny or two.

Just waiting for the bricks to arrive!

Edited January 22, 2014 by Heppeng

[The Jersey Brick Guy]

Everyone please remember to post pictures of your brick linked Market Street's!

We should get a club badge for having brick linked the modulars!

[TheLegoDr]

I very well could be wrong. I just know there are a lot of pieces that have multiple id numbers, even some very recent ones (kingdoms pants from the nobleman in the joust set has two different id numbers). With sets as old as market street, I'd assume the pieces would have had different id numbers or different molds. Although with the new parrot in the metal beard set, I did notice they updated the cafe corner inventory, which surprised me. So it is possible it doesn't have a different id number, but I know the dark blue did. So with that, I'd again assume the inventory on the replacement page should be correct. However, there are certain updates to sets that may use either piece and usually bricklink will reflect that with alternate pieces, but the replacement page won't reflect that. So it is very possible the replacement page will use the new mold but not denote that. I know that happened with the 1x2x3 panels in the pet shop and cafe corner. CC had a different version, but it came with the new version in pet shop. So people were trying to swap them, but it wasn't original.

That's why I always look at id numbers to make sure I have the original piece. You'd have to look at the instructions to get the actual number and not rely on lego replacement service/bricklink/brickset/peeron, etc.

Best of luck to everyone building. I hope you are all satisfied with the pieces.

[sin]

I just paced my first ever BnP order covering the more expensive parts from CC and MS that are currently available. I'm not trying to build them right away but I have been interested to try out the service and didn't want to pay BL prices for the dark bley birds, dark blue bricks and various other parts. I will report back when I get delivery regarding whether I got the exact pieces I requested or replacements.

[Heppeng]

Just checked, and it seems that indeed the windows lego are selling are the later ones as in green grocer, Pet shop, Fire brigade etc. that are selling for an average of about 16p on bricklink. Never mind - I would never had bought the original style at bricklink prices anyway!

[Inzane]

Just checked, and it seems that indeed the windows lego are selling are the later ones as in green grocer, Pet shop, Fire brigade etc. that are selling for an average of about 16p on bricklink. Never mind - I would never had bought the original style at bricklink prices anyway!

Which particular window pieces are we talking about? Between MS & CC (this and other threads), I'm losing track.

[Heppeng]

Sorry should have been clearer - its the white 1x4x3 window frame. Original version was the "1 x 4 x 3 Train with Shutter Holes and Solid Studs on Ends". It seems that it was a special - one way round you could fit it with train glass and use it as a train window, the other way around you could fit it with window pains and use it as a building window. Very expensive on bricklink. The replacement "Window 1 x 4 x 3 - No Shutter Tabs" will look the same once installed on Market street, but will not have the train frame mould shape towards the rear (as installed). At least that is what I understand it to be, not having both in front of me to compare!

[Inzane]

Sorry should have been clearer - its the white 1x4x3 window frame. Original version was the "1 x 4 x 3 Train with Shutter Holes and Solid Studs on Ends". It seems that it was a special - one way round you could fit it with train glass and use it as a train window, the other way around you could fit it with window pains and use it as a building window. Very expensive on bricklink. The replacement "Window 1 x 4 x 3 - No Shutter Tabs" will look the same once installed on Market street, but will not have the train frame mould shape towards the rear (as installed). At least that is what I understand it to be, not having both in front of me to compare!

I get it now. I just built my 4954 Model Town House set again recently and noticed it has that older version of the window, same as Market Street. It's too bad those are no longer available at reasonable prices. Not a huge deal but the difference between the 6556 and 60594 will alter the look of a finished model, slightly.

Similarly to how on Green Grocer if you replace the original 1x2x3 train windows (4035) with regular 1x2x3 windows (60593). Not a deal breaker, but noticeable.

Geez, between the 6556, the 4035 and the 4132 (CC's top storey 2x4x3 frames), what the heck is with TLG retiring so many window parts?? Common LEGO group, these are WINDOWS!!.... a fairly common architectural and universal building element. I just don't understand this decision.

[fred67]

Apologies for reviving an old thread, but it seemed appropriate since I finally decided to bricklink a Market Street.

Indeed, a lot of the parts in the correct colors are even WAY more expensive now than they were a few years ago; bricks and pieces shows all the interesting parts as unavailable, but I did skim through the PAB selection and found that some parts, considering I needed a lot (more than 50 or so) ended up being cheaper that way and, given free shipping and the current "gimme" space car set for "free" was a good deal.

Awesome. I like how it has turned out. I think the grey railing looks better.

The railing definitely looks better in gray than white, but I'm going for black for the wrought iron look, like I think it should be, and I also got bit by the white hoses - I actually already had 3 (I really don't know why), but was shocked by the price for one, even used, on bricklink. So black is cheaper AND looks better, IMO.

So when I run across these ridiculously expensive pieces, I've been looking as closely as possible at the actual build and how the parts are being used, and although I want to do this set because it's the only modular I never bought, I'm constantly reminded why I never bought it - it's just plain old butt ugly. I feel like the person who built it was just wanting certain parts in certain colors in bulk rather than actually making a beautiful building. I just want to have a "version" at least, for completeness, if not the actual set.

Ok, so enough ragging on the set; I have most of the parts, but I'm actually going to back out of a few colors and use substitutions even though I have the correct colors already. The stupidly expensive doors will be black - they will match both the railing and the first floor door. I'd already ordered the five dark blue arches; they are expensive, but I was able to get them at a relatively decent price (compared to other sellers), and all in one order from one seller.

Other changes, just from looking at the review pictures:

- Changing tan "doorknobs" on the black gates to black.

- I think I will remove the attempt to make it look old by removing the profile bricks from the mix.... at least a few, I think. The gray arches for the window are also terrible - they make them in medium blue, now, so will swap those out for medium blue.

- Not sure what I will do with it, if anything, but don't like the mis-matched stair stepping on the front roof facade. Are there any reference photos to show what kind of building this might be based on? Not the entire set, but that style of roof? Not just the stair-stepping, I've seen that before, but with all those tile pieces on it?

Still need a few more orders, but will definitely post pictures when I'm done; please don't ask cost estimates - I'm sorry, but I already had well over half of what I needed in my collection.