CMP Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Sorry, slept in. This mansion has such cozy beds. Poor Dacius. I didn't care for him, but to really die... I think a few people are right in that this doesn't look like werewolf work. It's still possible, but unlikely. Allow me to catch up.
sok117 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 2 or so? What makes you think that? Honestly, we know werewolves only transform in the moonlight. I assume we're all inside to avoid the moonlight. Dacius was nowhere near a window when he died. Maybe werewolves are killing with a pickaxe because there is no moonlight handy. I admit that having a game...of life about werewolves and not showing any werewolves eating people would be rather lame, but the conclusion of the day yesterday was pretty clear that Zed didn't transform until he was cornered by the enormous cracks in the wall. Anyway, you seem to know something about the werewolves' numbers now. You're not too bright. Well 2 or so was just a range I made up, hence the "or so". We know that Zed wasn't the only werewolf, or else this ordeal would be over, so I guess I should have said 1 or more, but no more then like 4, I'm just speculating, these are by no means real numbers. And to go on with your second point, I already stated what you had just said earlier today... Now as for the information we have received today. I think there are two options here 1. we are dealing with more then just werewolves. There are other dark forces out to get us or 2. Since no moonlight could enter (I'm assuming) that could very well have been a werewolf, but that is just a guess seeing as how Zed only changed when the moon light shown through the cracks in the wall. But I thought you read it and thought it was just another stupid thing coming out of my mouth and therefore disregarded it and we had decided it was a third faction. Are you defending Person 4 - the person who can possibly be the werewolf killer but claims to be a protector - in Harriet's play now? But seriously, is there anything that suggests they opted not to kill and to convert instead. Another observation: the number of members of an enemy faction are typically bigger to begin with. What do you base your guess of "two or so" werewolves on? Especially since you seem to doubt there is a third faction. Oh, and try to keep it short and non-repetitive this time. no I am not defending person number 4, I do not even know who person number four is, I was writing that before Harriet even performed her play, and when I was done and spoke it, she was already done. By all means Im anxious to know who this person number four is now so that we can vote someone out who could actually be a werewolf. I was going on the info before that since there appears to be no werewolf killing last night, I would assume that a conversion took place behind closed doors. But in light of recent events, Harriet's evidence seems more convincing then my speculation. I am assuming that they opted to convert last night because there was a fault in their numbers so early in the game, usually in these plays, a bad guy is not found in the first scene, and then a killing is followed in the night, but since there was no killing, and we did find a werewolf on the first day, I would assume the werewolves converted last night to increase there numbers back to their original. As for "two or so" that was just a range I threw out there, these are no real numbers and have no basis of fact to them! I was just using them to prove a point, but oh well, it seems everything I say now has suspicion peppered all over it. Sorry I'm sounding like a broken record here, but theres only so many times I can repeat the truth!
Rufus Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Please bear with me while I try to get my head around Harriet's excellent play; and congratulations Harriet on branching out into the psychological thriller genre. First assumption: Harriet is telling the truth. I trust her. Second assumption: 'follower' Person 3 is telling the truth - this would be a very dangerous lie, and easily disproved. Therefore: Persons 1 and 4 are both telling the truth, in which case there are 2 protectors, one with a kooky twist on their night action; OR Persons 1 and 4 are both telling the truth, but one of them is a protector for a different faction, which would imply Chief Hewitt also belongs to this faction; OR One or both of persons 1 and 4 are lying. If one is lying, this suggests either a conversion or kill which failed due to the other protecting. If both are lying, then we're in trouble - That suggests two factions both with malevolent intentions, and raises the terrifying possibility that Ebenezer may have been converted. Furthermore: Suppose Person 2 is telling the truth. They were blocked. Assuming Harriet is correct about the blocker blocking Sokern, this impies Sokern is number 2, or there is another blocker, possibly from a malevolent faction. Person 4's failure to respond sounds downright shifty. Person 5 ... well, I guess it is possible for 1 and 5 both to be telling the truth if they have limits or criteria on protecting. If I read Harriet right, both approached her. So, by a long winded route I've come to the conclusion most of you have already agreed: Person 4 is most likely lying; however, Person 2 needs a little further scrutiny too.
sok117 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Suppose Person 2 is telling the truth. They were blocked. Assuming Harriet is correct about the blocker blocking Sokern, this impies Sokern is number 2, or there is another blocker, possibly from a malevolent faction. I am not person number 2, I have had no private conversations with Harriet as of yet, and Harriet can confirm this.
Rufus Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I am not person number 2, I have had no private conversations with Harriet as of yet, and Harriet can confirm this. Thank you for confirming this so succinctly!
Eskallon Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Yeah Adam is not person 2 but Adam was blocked last night. Person 4 is the most suspicous and I still want to know who person 4 is as I am almost sure that this person could turn out to be a werewolf.
Hinckley Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Well 2 or so was just...BLAH BLAH BLAH...ion peppered all over it. Sorry I'm sounding like a broken record here, but theres only so many times I can repeat the truth! Sorry I missed what you read earlier. You write novels and keep repeating and re-posting PMs. 1, 2 and 4 are real numbers, the question is do any of them apply to the number of werewolves in the house? You seem to know about kill/conversion methods of werwolves and now seem to possible have an idea of the numbers of the werewolf faction. If you are a werewolf, this is what I suggest has happened: Bumblenuts By Harriet Clive Day 1-Wolf's den Adam: Wahoo! We're werewolves, we're werewolves, we're werewolves. We're awesome! Wahoo! We're werewolves, we're werewolves. Wow, did you see me? I defended us. Yeah, I did. Harriet was all like "Zed's a werewolf." And I was all "You're a werewolf!" And then Dacius was all like "That's suspicious." So I was all "You're suspicious." And then Harriet's trying to be all "Zed didn't have the village information" and I was all like "You misread a rule, You're a werewolf." Ha! Ha! I'm awesome. And then, Dacius was all "Are you threatening me?" And I was like "I'm coming after you with haste." Haste is a big word. I'm awesome. Woot! Woot, baby, Woot! I showed them. (The other werewolves exchange an annoyed but knowing glance, and sigh...) Adam: And then other people were all like "It seems pretty obvious that Zed is lying" and I was all like "Yeah, but what is a lie and if somebody has a life and they can't read too fast and I was all reading too fast too and I didn't see the info about other factions which is clearly in my role information because I am a total villager, man and not a werewolf and this Dacius guys, like whoa, he's totally lying and the wrath of God will come down from heaven like fire and burn all the flesh off of our bones if we vote for Zed and like this Dacius guy, he's the real killer and accusing a werewolf only makes him look more guilty, I mean think about it why would a villager risk so much on the first day, it's obvious we're going to try to kill him tonight and look at his funny shirt and don't you think that if Zed was a werewolf he wouldn't bitten somebody but have you seen him bite anybody but he hasn't bitten anything and it's clear that anybody calling Zed a werewolf is just a werewolf themselves so tomorrow when Zed is shown to be a villager, you'll all be sorry and feel really stupid." So, yeah, so I'm so good at this they'll probably all start unvoting Zeb soon and hang that stupid Police officer Dacius Nathans. Ha ha. I'm awesome, high five! Zed: You're an idiot. Adam: But I defended you. Zed: The only person on our side dumber than me is you. Adam: What? Zed: (facepalm) Nobody defends someone that hard on the first day. Do you have any idea how guilty that made you look? Adam: How? Zed: You totally overdid it. They have me slipping up in three places and four people have confirmed it. Defending me as doggedly as you did makes it so clear that you're just trying to protect one of your own! Adam: But if I voted for you, we'd lose a werewolf. Zed: But, to keep the pack strong we need to cut me loose. You should've distanced yourself. I screwed up, bad. I deserve to die. But now, you've exposed yourself to them and they'll get two of us on the first two days! Adam: Sorry. Charles Synclair: It's OK. At least your bumbling took the focus off of my amateur gameplay. Now let's eat some manflesh! Persons 1 and 4 are both telling the truth, but one of them is a protector for a different faction, which would imply Chief Hewitt also belongs to this faction; This is an excellent theory, one I hadn't yet considered. Scary Suppose Person 2 is telling the truth. They were blocked. Assuming Harriet is correct about the blocker blocking Sokern, this impies Sokern is number 2, or there is another blocker, possibly from a malevolent faction. Sokern is not number 2, but number 2 is my most trusted ally in this game.
CMP Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Charles Synclair: It's OK. At least your bumbling took the focus off of my amateur gameplay. Now let's eat some manflesh! Mind telling me where I fit into this?
sok117 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Sorry I missed what you read earlier. You write novels and keep repeating and re-posting PMs. 1, 2 and 4 are real numbers, the question is do any of them apply to the number of werewolves in the house? You seem to know about kill/conversion methods of werwolves and now seem to possible have an idea of the numbers of the werewolf faction. sorry for having a brain I guess, I thought any person with the least bit of sense could see that , has no one read the fact that these numbers aren't based on anything! I've said that at least three times and it seems no one gives a damn, your bending my words! If you are a werewolf, this is what I suggest has happened: Bumblenuts By Harriet Clive Day 1-Wolf's den *insert terrible play that has no basis of truth whatsoever* Sokern is not number 2, but number 2 is my most trusted ally in this game. Heres what actually happened, and I'll try to put it in a atyle that you could actually understand Scene 1- Building an alliance Adam: La Da Da, De Do, hmm, I guess now is as good a time as any to start building an alliance, do da do do do, hmm, who to sart with, I guess I could just do this systematically, lets start with the police force cause I am part of that police force. Hey Chief! Chief: Yeah, Adam? By the way I have a night action. Adam: Oh hey Chief, hows it going? DOn't tell people you have a night action, it could make you a target, lets discuss Zed, I'm unsure what to think so far Chief: Yeah, me too, I am unsure, I've got to go reveal to everyone I have a night action now though, bye Adam: Uh... Okay by I guess, Now lets go talk to me fellow constable, Hey Dacious! Dacious: .... Adam: Huh, he must be a very busy man, I'll leave it up to him as to when he wants to respond Scene 2- Enter the werewolf Adam: La Da Do Do Do, Still unsure what to do do do Zed: Hey meaty fellow, you look like a nice guy, Listen I've got something I need to tell you, I'm a busy man, I've got schooling and exams and junk and I gazed over the rules quickly and foolishly, but theres more, I've got a night role that is pretty powerful, you see, I am the protector, I use my books and If an enemy tries to hurt someone I read one of my many stories and It makes them run away. Also this Dacious Guy doesn't know what he's talking about, he's bringing up those stupid odds that don't make much sense, and these timestamps are all made up, I think there all werewolves. Adam: Hmm, that sounds like a reasonable argument, I shall stupidly defend you to the death, but first let me talk to my trusted friend the chief. Hey Cheif Chief: Hey adam, I'm thinking of voting for Dacious Adam: what a coincidence! I think Dacious is a werewolf too Chief: Yeah, he just seems to eager to vote Adam: I don't think we can vote for him today though, I'm gonna make long arguments against him and then tomorrow, if Zeds innocent we have all this evidence against him, don't vote for him though because it's pointless and will make you look suspicious. Chief: sounds good, I'm gonna go vote for him now Adam: Okay... I'm gonna go see If I can get info out of Dacious by threatening him, maybe that will bring forward new info Dacious: Oh hey adam, haven't responded cause I never really liked you, but we can keep this channel open to discuss werewolves and how to kill them and stuff Adam: Can it, I know what you are, and when Zed is proved innocent tomorrow, Imma Gonna Kill you Dacious: Well okay then, but I'm sure Hes guilty, I can't persuade you so this conversation is over Scene 3- The lynchers and the Lynchee Zed: Hey adam! Adam: Hey Zed! Zed: hey listen, everyones voting against me, I need you to just defend me to the death okay! Cause I am innocent and it will make you look good Adam: Will do! *voting commences, everyone votes for Zed* Adam: well I defended you but it's not looking good for you, are you sure your innocent Zed: Sure, now let me just have a nibble of your arm. Adam: huh, okay, but I don't see what that has to do with anything Scene 4- werewolf no more Adam: So Zed was a werewolf, well thats just applesauce, now I've got a big target over my head, better go apologize to Dacious before tomorrow, Hey Dacious I' sorry, I got played for a suck, friends again? Dacious: well someones beating me with a pick ax so I can't really say anything on that matter anymore, good luck though! Adam: Applesauce Thats what happened, and I guess it challenges the fact to whether I have a brain or not. But thats the truth, don't care, so be it.
Hinckley Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Mind telling me where I fit into this? You're a werewolf. Duh. Zed: hey listen, everyones voting against me, I need you to just defend me to the death okay! Cause I am innocent and it will make you look good This is quite a relief. It was Zed's fault. I was afraid you were a werewolf. Now, I feel much better. Fruitcake.
Peanuts Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Sokern is not number 2, but number 2 is my most trusted ally in this game. Really? How trusted is most trusted? Cause let's assume you're right, and person one has come to you at free will, claiming to be a protector. Then he is most likely town and believes himself to be a protector. He has protected Hewitt, who was also targeted by person 4, who claims top be a protector as well. Maybe one of them was and insane leech doctor and was about to kill him, while the other actually helped him. (The word "leech doctor" doesn't mean anything. There's just ways too many doctors out there who kill their patients instead of helping them. I don't think people will ever be able to heal someone effectively.) Or one of them tried to kill, and the other really protected. In this case person four was the killer. Now I think we can trust person three, as he knew person one and four, who confessed, targeted Ebenizer Wearshishatwrongly Hewitt. Person two might be a werewolf or a third party guy who tries to infiltrate Harriet's gang. The plan he would use is simply, but effective: He would claim he can protect someone, but he can't protect at all. But he's given an order by Harriet, who coordinates the protectors and makes sure that they don't protect each the same target. So the pretended protector knows who the town leaves unprotected, and the werewolves get a kill, without any risk of failure. He claims to be blocked, although he isn't. Maybe he is even the third party killer, learns the village's most important targets, and kills them one by one. But Harriet sounds sure he's one of us. In this case, person one and two sound like the most propably protectors, but if four is a werewolf, five can't be. Cause they would be stupid if two werewolves would claim to be protectors, so five was most likely third party or a townie with some crank role. But of one or four is a protector from an other party, why would they tell Harriet? Harriet would tell tehm to protect townies, but both third parties and werewolves have to kill townies.
CMP Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 You're a werewolf. Duh. Not giving a real reason is fairly suspicious. Explain.
Peanuts Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 You're a werewolf. Duh. Can we get some...how did the judge call it? Extermination? No...Tax Evadence...That as well, but there was something else...Evidence! That's it, the judge wanted some evidence. Don't blame yourself, I've solved lots of cases without any evidence, but we might propably need it at that point.
Lord Arjay Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Not giving a real reason is fairly suspicious. Explain. I agree wth her that you are probably a werewolf. You voted for Zed when it was clear that he was gong to die but then continued to try and defend him. Also, can you answer my question: Why did you want to make sure that people knew you weren't defending Zed?
CMP Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I agree wth her that you are probably a werewolf. You voted for Zed when it was clear that he was gong to die but then continued to try and defend him. Also, can you answer my question: I wasn't trying to defend him, I was saying that I wasn't too sure about voting someone else using only 3 scraps of evidence. I'm glad we got him, but I'd rather not go off of so little again. And the vote still could've changed at that point, I don't deny it wasn't likely. I'd think it's fairly obvious. If he did turn out to be werewolf, everyone would accuse me of defending him. I can't believe he was, but it seems saying this was no help to stop accusations against me. Here's my theory. This 'new' faction is some sort of really paranoid werewolf hunting group, willing to kill even innocents to clear out the werewolves. I'd think the pickaxe killer is one of them. (Or maybe a serial killer/vigilante, but the latter is unlikely) The other theory is vampires, but that's been touched on.
Quarryman Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 *yawn* Certainly didn't expect today's discussions to start so damn early in the morning, I've barely managed to crawl out of bed and have much to study it seems.
Peanuts Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Here's my theory. This 'new' faction is some sort of really paranoid werewolf hunting group, willing to kill even innocents to clear out the werewolves. I'd think the pickaxe killer is one of them. (Or maybe a serial killer/vigilante, but the latter is unlikely) The other theory is vampires, but that's been touched on. And what is that theory good for? It won't help us figure out a werewolf, it won't help us figure out a third party, and it's just a theory based on nothing. Let's concentrate on the werewolves.
CMP Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 And what is that theory good for? It won't help us figure out a werewolf, it won't help us figure out a third party, and it's just a theory based on nothing. Let's concentrate on the werewolves. Good point. Right now I guess we should just untangle the nameless people mess.
sok117 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 This is quite a relief. It was Zed's fault. I was afraid you were a werewolf. Now, I feel much better. Thank god you can finally see whats going on , no but thats how it happened, believe it or don't, but I am a villager and thats all there is to it, But I'm glad you brought out the evidence against Charles, He went under my radar yesterday, but his actions are very troubiling indeed, so there are three options for voting today Charles Me Person number 4 I think we have enough evidence against Charles, and enough supposed evidence against myself, So I think we should start discussing this mystery person number four, cause it seems obvious enough that he is lying to your face Harriet. Can we get some...how did the judge call it? Extermination? No...Tax Evadence...That as well, but there was something else...Evidence! That's it, the judge wanted some evidence. Don't blame yourself, I've solved lots of cases without any evidence, but we might propably need it at that point. The evidence is that Charles voted for Zed, but was still defending him, and how he tried to make it clear in all his defences that he was not defending Zed, but preceded to state flaws in Dacious and Harriets rationale.
Lord Arjay Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I wasn't trying to defend him, I was saying that I wasn't too sure about voting someone else using only 3 scraps of evidence. I'm glad we got him, but I'd rather not go off of so little again. And the vote still could've changed at that point, I don't deny it wasn't likely. Then why did you vote for him? You had earlier said that you thought he was "pretty unlikely to be werewolf" (which you didn't explain) what changed apart from most people disagreeing with you? And you were defending Zed, just in a more subtle manner than Adam. By saying that you thought the arguement against Zed was weak and that his accusers were slightly suspicious you were implying that Zed shouldn't be voted off. I can't believe he was, but it seems saying this was no help to stop accusations against me. Obviously. Just saying that you weren't defending him doesn't negate the fact that you sort of were. Besides, if you truly thought he was a villager, you wouldn't have been worried about looking guilty.
CMP Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 The evidence is that Charles voted for Zed, but was still defending him, and how he tried to make it clear in all his defences that he was not defending Zed, but preceded to state flaws in Dacious and Harriets rationale. I was trying not to defend him, I was just pointing out that we should be cautious instead of all rushing to vote for someone over only little evidence. But again, we shouldn't leave this tangle of unnamed people in a mess. I found it very unplausible that we have 4 protectors. I'm sure we only have 3, at the most. One could be werewolf or belong to this third faction. But I'm still new to this discussion, so let me go back and catch up first.
Hinckley Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Not giving a real reason is fairly suspicious. Explain. Sigh... (Ahem) Charles Synclair by Harriet Clive (Charles Synclair sits on a stage, reading the morning paper.) (Charles continues to read the paper) (Charles coughs) (Charles turns the page) (Charles continues to read the paper) Charles: I'm a werewolf. (Curtain.) OK, I admit, it's not my best work. I just don't write for boring people very well. I will have to revise it or write a more interesting sequel but I have to take some time to research the first day. I'll return to it shortly. *yawn* Certainly didn't expect today's discussions to start so damn early in the morning, I've barely managed to crawl out of bed and have much to study it seems. Helpful as usual. Why do you even bother playing these games...of life anymore. You suck! Good point. Right now I guess we should just untangle the nameless people mess. I won't be untangling that today. Me and a small group of trusted friends will be trusting these multiple claims.
sok117 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Obviously. Just saying that you weren't defending him doesn't negate the fact that you sort of were. Besides, if you truly thought he was a villager, you wouldn't have been worried about looking guilty. exactly what happened to me! Which is why I defended him so vigorously. I thought he was innocent and thats why I defended him, I din't think I would look guilty because I thought he would turn out to be innocent. stupid, stupid, stupid Whereas Charles seems more suspicious to me, like he already knew Zed's true allegiance, thats why he was so on and off about voting for Zed, "I'm with you guys, but I'm gonna defend Zed" I think Charles is likely to be a werewolf.
CMP Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Then why did you vote for him? You had earlier said that you thought he was "pretty unlikely to be werewolf" (which you didn't explain) what changed apart from most people disagreeing with you? And you were defending Zed, just in a more subtle manner than Adam. By saying that you thought the arguement against Zed was weak and that his accusers were slightly suspicious you were implying that Zed shouldn't be voted off. Obviously. Just saying that you weren't defending him doesn't negate the fact that you sort of were. Besides, if you truly thought he was a villager, you wouldn't have been worried about looking guilty. I know, but the voice in the sky did say there would be consequences for not voting, and even though the evidence was weak, we really did have nothing to else to vote on. So against the tiny voice in my head saying 'Don't rush into things!' I voted for him. That's the thing. I didn't think he was a villager, nobody can afford to be naive enough to believe that. I just didn't want to rush into a life or death decision. I won't be untangling that today. Me and a small group of trusted friends will be trusting these multiple claims. You're just going to go ahead and trust this group of people? No offense, but is it really likely that we have 4 (or was it 5) protectors for our village?
Hinckley Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I didn't think he was a villager, nobody can afford to be naive enough to believe that. I just didn't want to rush into a life or death decision. But the villagers shouldn't be afraid of that first day death like that. The sooner we have evidence or reactions to decipher the sooner we can try to gain an advantage. Wasting that conviction on the first day, is throwing away possible evidence in the way people vote/respond/defend. And it wasn't rushing. There was more solid evidence than most of the first days of all of Zed's stupid books. God, I hate those books.
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