Werewolf Mafia: Day 2

[sok117]

I would like to hear the so impressive speech, that convinced you immediately and doubtless that Zed was a loyal townie, the speech, that made you perfectly sure Harriet was wrong although her gap-filling plays, the speech, that brought you to even intimidate a police officer just because you were so sure he was town.

And by the way, you intimidated a police officer to come for him if Zed would die, now Zed died and he's dead, clearly not killed by a townie. And wether if you're a werewolf or something else, we need to kill anyone who is not town, and I'm almost sure you're not. Consider yourself dead, scum.

You accusation doesn't make much sense, there was some banter back and fourth, but undoubtedly I believed him, mock me all you want, for it is my own fault and I can agree why you are condemning me as I would do the same had the rolls been reversed. But to go on I said that I would be coming after Dacious if Zed turned out to be a villager, which he didn't and therefore I apologized sincerely to the officer. But honestly, do you guys think I would be so stupid as to do that? Surly you guys can see that I am being framed for the killing of my fellow officer? Do you think I would be stupid enough to knowingly defend a werewolf to the death? You know how stupid that would be on my part, does anyone agree with this?

Seeing as how I have dug my own grave here by defending the abomination that was Zed, I pose a question to Harriet, when I am condemned tomorrow and when I am found to be innocent, I would ask you to reevaluate all those who "overheard" the conversation between Dacious and Myself, for I think someone is trying to frame me, if you can do that, then I shall not die in vain.

[def]

So, who shall we lynch after breakfast? One of those who defended Mr Phillips? One of those who didn't vote at all? Or one of those who voted belatedly when it didn't make any difference?

I agree with the first two, but not the third; it only requires one vote to lynch somebody, so everbody who voted, from Mr. Vaughn to Mr. Conan (you and myself included) could be considered eligible for lynching. I suggest look and the group of defence.

Hmm, so the group you're in should be ineligible The werewolves most definitely would have voted for Zed, particularly when he was seen as a lost cause. The only reason not to would be those who would have drawn suspicion by switching positions.

I'm not accusing you at all, but I strongly believe werewolves voted for Zed.

About Officer Nathans, it's tragic, but as Mr. Synclair said, not entirely unexpected. He and Harriet were incredibly effective yesterday. It's possible Harriet could belong to another faction, but for the time being, she's got a good eye for hunting werewolves, so I'm willing to work with her. And everyone will be investigated in due time.

That death though, doesn't seem like a werewolf murder. It's possible that the wolves targeted a protected person, the wolves were blocked, and the one I'm hoping for, the wolves are not all killers, just Zed was, and they are all toothless, as it were. We'll find out soon enough, I'm afraid.

Now to review the voting from yesterday, to see who might have either protected Zed, or camouflaged themselves with a vote for him.

[Hinckley]

I shall have you know that Zed, though unable to read so to speak, was a silver-tongued devil with his word.

No he wasn't. He said "I have a life!" and then completely disappeared for the second half of the day. What was so convincing about that. It was nowhere near convincing enough to attack another member of the village with paragraph after paragraph of empty accusation. We were presenting pretty solid findings and all you could do was claim that Dacius meant the opposite of what he was saying.

But honestly, do you guys think I would be so stupid as to do that? Surly you guys can see that I am being framed for the killing of my fellow officer? Do you think I would be stupid enough to knowingly defend a werewolf to the death? You know how stupid that would be on my part, does anyone agree with this?

I totally agree. I'm accusing you of being a werewolf, not of being smart.

[Hinckley]

Let me perform a quick little play to demonstrate what I overheard between Mr. Nathans and Mr. Sokern.

The insane and somewhat incoherent rambling threats of Adam Sokern

(Enter Adam Sokern, fangs dripping blood and manflesh, cloaked and hairy and growling from the insatiable urge for human organs.)

Adam: Growl! Rowr! Grrrr. Eat human! Grrrrrr.

Dacius: Excuse me?

Adam: I was trying to be nice to you, but the way you have been conducting yourself out there in the mansion makes me not trust you.

Dacius: The manflesh hanging from your teeth makes me not trust you.

Adam: Growl! Silence human meal! You're not acknowledging the points I have made. You are ignoring them because they are correct. You've started a bandwagon to convict an innocent villager!

Dacius: Please stop chewing on my arm.

Adam: Sorry. I am a werewolf, after all.

Dacius: All right, I guess you can have some more. But chew on my right arm, I'm left-handed.

Adam: There's barely any chance you are right that Zed is a werewolf, even though four people have come forward with evidence that he is a liar, I will still focus my accusations towards you. I inexplicably have more reason to trust Zed than you. I hate people who make sense. You make complete sense while Zed makes no sense! Why then should we believe you??

Dacius: Is there an answer I can give that won't result in my death during the night?

Adam: No! When Zed is deemed innocent, I am coming after you with haste! I have been contacting people in private and they all agree with me that you are a werewolf!

Dacius: Who?

Adam: Everybody! I talked to everybody individually and they all think you are a werewolf!

Dacius: That doesn't seem likely...

Adam: All of them!

Dacius: I can't believe you're threatening me. Amateur. Your defense of Zed makes no sense unless you were acquainted before this ordeal. He said one thing and it was pointed out as a slip up and he had next-to-no defense and you jump to his defense like a loyal dog.

Adam: Werewolf.

Dacius: Sorry. Anyway, trusting anyone so blindly is stupid at this point. We shouldn't trust anybody. That's what makes your actions suspicious. Your unwavering trust of Zed when several people are pointing out reasons not to trust him. After hearing what you had to say to me in the manor, I see no reason to continue conversing with you. You're a werewolf and not very bright.

Oh thank you! Thank you all again so much. You're too kind. I couldn't ask for a better audience. You all have a special place in my heart. Hooray for Werewolf Hunters! Hooray for sluts. Hooray for silver bullets! Oh this applause is for all of us. I shall be signing some autographs shortly.

Seeing as how I have dug my own grave here by defending the abomination that was Zed, I pose a question to Harriet, when I am condemned tomorrow and when I am found to be innocent, I would ask you to reevaluate all those who "overheard" the conversation between Dacious and Myself, for I think someone is trying to frame me, if you can do that, then I shall not die in vain.

I overheard it directly from the two of you. It's all right here, the important parts in tact, for everyone to analyze on their own.

I admit there was no manflesh dripping from your teeth and you never actually admitted to being a werewolf, but the rest is a very accurate paraphrase of the conversation that took place between the two of you.

[sok117]

No he wasn't. He said "I have a life!" and then completely disappeared for the second half of the day. What was so convincing about that. It was nowhere near convincing enough to attack another member of the village with paragraph after paragraph of empty accusation. We were presenting pretty solid findings and all you could do was claim that Dacius meant the opposite of what he was saying.

I was referring to the conversation we had alone, and I thought Dacious's arguments were flawed, and I still havn't seen anything about these "timestamps" evidence, which may be negligence on my part, but I stand by it. I thought Dacious was a werewolf, so I did what any citizen would do in that situation, try to make him slip and convict him of being a werewolf, I was wrong as we can all see now, if that what is gonna get me killed then so be it.

I totally agree. I'm accusing you of being a werewolf, not of being smart.

Fair enough. I still think anyone with the least bit of sense could piece that one together, but oh well there is no convincing you.

To restate what I have said before

Seeing as how I have dug my own grave here by defending the abomination that was Zed, I pose a question to Harriet, when I am condemned tomorrow and when I am found to be innocent, I would ask you to reevaluate all those who "overheard" the conversation between Dacious and Myself, for I think someone is trying to frame me, if you can do that, then I shall not die in vain.

If I am to die today, I make this my final wish, can you promise me this much Harriet?

[MagPiesRUs]

I was referring to the conversation we had alone,

... And what did he tell you in these private conversations that convinced you? Remember, you're allowed to post what he told you, as long as it's paraphrased.

[def]

Seeing as how I have dug my own grave here by defending the abomination that was Zed, I pose a question to Harriet, when I am condemned tomorrow and when I am found to be innocent, I would ask you to reevaluate all those who "overheard" the conversation between Dacious and Myself, for I think someone is trying to frame me, if you can do that, then I shall not die in vain.

If I am to die today, I make this my final wish, can you promise me this much Harriet?

I don't think anyone is framing you. It seems to be between you, the late Nathans, and what Harriet was told by Nathans. Who do you think 'overheard' the conversations?

[Ricecracker]

I'm glad we were able to convict a werewolf yesterday! Unfortunately, I had to retire early, and was not around for the voting. I have, however, watch the play of what transpired.

The death of Dacius is most disturbing, and we must avenge him!

[Hinckley]

Now to review the voting from yesterday, to see who might have either protected Zed, or camouflaged themselves with a vote for him.

I also suspect Charles Synclair who defended Zed almost to the end before finally backing off. But I shall help by looking over the day as well and seeing if I come up with any more leads.

I was referring to the conversation we had alone, and I thought Dacious's arguments were flawed, and I still havn't seen anything about these "timestamps" evidence, which may be negligence on my part, but I stand by it.

Well, quoting everything with the "timestamps" would be against the rules. So asking for more evidence is not only silly, but redundant, since it's been proven that Zed was lying when he turned into a werewolf in front of all of us. I think my play demonstrated the "timestamps" rather effectively.

I thought Dacious was a werewolf, so I did what any citizen would do in that situation, try to make him slip and convict him of being a werewolf, I was wrong as we can all see now, if that what is gonna get me killed then so be it.

How did you try to make him slip up? Because I can't even see that tactic. All I see is someone trying to turn someone's words around in the manor and threatening in private. If you are convicted and end up innocent I will mostly be annoyed that you wasted all of our time with your ramblings and nonsense.

Seeing as how I have dug my own grave here by defending the abomination that was Zed, I pose a question to Harriet, when I am condemned tomorrow and when I am found to be innocent, I would ask you to reevaluate all those who "overheard" the conversation between Dacious and Myself, for I think someone is trying to frame me, if you can do that, then I shall not die in vain.

If I am to die today, I make this my final wish, can you promise me this much Harriet?

How many... times are you going to ask me this? Haven't I answered it previously? You're only being "framed" by your own words and actions. If you're convicted and you're a villager it will be a horrible loss as losing a villager is never good, but I shall shrug and say "what a doofus."

[Hinckley]

Oh my god! Just as I was being happy about us killing a werewolf, those horrible creatures kill one of ours... But his death shall be avenged...

And it seems we have got a helper... Who could have given him the bullets?

And don't werewolves usually kill by biting? Maybe it was another faction... So many questions...

That's strange...would such a cloak fit a werewolf? I always imagined them to be big, hulking beasts.

And use werewolves picks? I don't think so, they're called "werewolves" and not "wereminers". Strange one...

Maybe some third party has killed our policeman and not a werewolf. Maybe someone even managed to block the werewolf killer?

It would be great if a blocker, if we have one, would tell someone privately who he blocked, just to give us a hint were to proceed our investigations.

These are both great points. Werewolves would eat a man, wouldn't they? A pickaxe is a very interesting weapon. Having no kill with obvious werewolf signs is a bit troubling. Did they convert someone last night?

The blocker has contacted me and claims to have blocked Adam Sokern. Hardly a surprise.

I know I am the probably the most outspoken accuser of Mr. Sokern at present time, but remember, this could mean many things. I will still be voting for Mr. Sorken when the time comes. Especially since this person claims to have blocked him last night and we've seen no killing. But that doesn't mean we'd be in the clear from werewolf violence at night.

The cloaked figure with the pickaxe is incredibly disturbing though. It seems we have a freelance killer out there.

[iamded]

:laugh: Oh this is fun. Bravo Harriet, bravo! Now, this seems to be playing out a lot like yesterday's conviction. Won't it be amazing if we nail two werewolves in a row? Through voting even! One can hope.

Especially since this person claims to have blocked him last night and we've seen no killing. But that doesn't mean we'd be in the clear from werewolf violence at night

Hmm. Remember, if there was no Werewolf killing last night, there may have been a conversion instead. Just something to keep in mind when we think we're in the clear...

[Hinckley]

Hmm. Remember, if there was no Werewolf killing last night, there may have been a conversion instead. Just something to keep in mind when we think we're in the clear...

Thank you, correct. But, I do believe I did already point that out. My fault, really. I should stop talking so much. It does appear it will get me killed. If they went after Mr. Nathans last night, I can only assume I'm next on their list.

[Walter Kovacs]

I relize I haven't said anything yet today. There seems to be some animosity towards those that did not vote for Zed.

Losing Dacius is a terrible blow, but one that I believe this Village can overcome.

The cloaked figure with the pickaxe is incredibly disturbing though. It seems we have a freelance killer out there.

Or there is indeed a second malevolent faction among us. Interesting how Harriet seems to have overlooked that possibility, even though it's been mentioned several times today. Almost like she'd rather us forget it is a possibility.

That being said, she clearly is not on the Werewolves side. So without proof of a third faction, I shall follow her lead.

[Bob]

These are both great points. Werewolves would eat a man, wouldn't they? A pickaxe is a very interesting weapon. Having no kill with obvious werewolf signs is a bit troubling. Did they convert someone last night?

The blocker has contacted me and claims to have blocked Adam Sokern. Hardly a surprise.

I know I am the probably the most outspoken accuser of Mr. Sokern at present time, but remember, this could mean many things. I will still be voting for Mr. Sorken when the time comes. Especially since this person claims to have blocked him last night and we've seen no killing. But that doesn't mean we'd be in the clear from werewolf violence at night.

The cloaked figure with the pickaxe is incredibly disturbing though. It seems we have a freelance killer out there.

I too believe there's the possibility of a freelance killer. Perhaps this killer is a misguided town vigilante, perhaps this killer is a neutral serial killer.

Under the assumption that the killer who killed Dacius is either a townie or a neutral, if Mr. Sokern was blocked last night, that could explain why there wasn't a werewolf killing.

[Hinckley]

Or there is indeed a second malevolent faction among us. Interesting how Harriet seems to have overlooked that possibility, even though it's been mentioned several times today. Almost like she'd rather us forget it is a possibility.

If you'd like to accuse me of something, by all means, come right out and say it.

You are correct. It could be we have more than one murderous faction out there. I would imagine it's werewolves and a serial killer, but that is, perhaps, wishful thinking on my part. I would be quite annoyed with two factions. But it is definitely a possibility. Either way, serial killer or second faction, we want them gone.

I too believe there's the possibility of a freelance killer. Perhaps this killer is a misguided town vigilante, perhaps this killer is a neutral serial killer.

Under the assumption that the killer who killed Dacius is either a townie or a neutral, if Mr. Sokern was blocked last night, that could explain why there wasn't a werewolf killing.

I don't think a townie would kill Dacius. If they did, they deserve the title of "Retarded Townie." Mr. Nathans lead us valiantly yesterday. I believe the murder of Mr. Nathans was the work of someone Sinister. Especially considering there seems to be a gun floating around out there without silver bullets. Perhaps our village vigilante cannot yet operate their weapon.

[Inconspicuous]

Good morning every... Oh my God! Poor Mr. Nathans! I barely knew him, but he always bought donuts and coffee from my general store. May he rest in peace.

Excellent job to Harriet and the late Mr. Nathans for their succesful conviction of our first werewolf! It clearly made Nathans a target, but my interpretation is that a serial killer or third faction stepped in after seeing Mr. Nathan's tremendous capabilities as an enemy-hunter.

Mr. Sokern, you defended Zed to the death yesterday, so there's definitely a big target on your back. Part of me says you're innocent, but that's the same way I felt about Zed yesterday, and look how that turned out! I'm going to trust Harriet's judgment here, and naturally I'm already suspicious anyways.

[sok117]

I don't think anyone is framing you. It seems to be between you, the late Nathans, and what Harriet was told by Nathans. Who do you think 'overheard' the conversations?

Well seeing as how Harriet "overheard" the conversation, I am assuming more people are aware of it, it's just a thought though as I know I did not kill Dacious last night. Or it could just be luck that allowed someone to target him last night due to the way he gathered the evidence against Zed yesterday.

Well, quoting everything with the "timestamps" would be against the rules. So asking for more evidence is not only silly, but redundant, since it's been proven that Zed was lying when he turned into a werewolf in front of all of us. I think my play demonstrated the "timestamps" rather effectively.

Yeah, thats why I found it hard to believe that bit of "evidence" one could simply have made such a fact up, and no one would have been any the wiser! And You misunderstood what I was trying to say, or I did not clearly state it, I can't recall the timestamp evidence ever being brought out in the open! Thats why I thought it couldn't be used as evidence. Wait, the evidence was your play? I guess you didn't demonstrate it all that well, cause I thought you were just trying to make Zed look more guilty then he already was, and exagerating it to the tenth degree made it seem less like evidence and more like ramblings. Sorry but I never much cared for theater.

How did you try to make him slip up? Because I can't even see that tactic. All I see is someone trying to turn someone's words around in the manor and threatening in private. If you are convicted and end up innocent I will mostly be annoyed that you wasted all of our time with your ramblings and nonsense.

I'm sorry for wasting your time, I thought that this ordeal was more then just black and white, I was following my instincts, and they weren't right, so go ahead and kill me for that.

How many... times are you going to ask me this? Haven't I answered it previously? You're only being "framed" by your own words and actions. If you're convicted and you're a villager it will be a horrible loss as losing a villager is never good, but I shall shrug and say "what a doofus."

Well I thought you didn't aknowledge it the first time, but when I spoke, it seems you already acknowledged it, so that is my bad

(I read your post then responded to it, but in the time of me responding you posted again with your answer)

These are both great points. Werewolves would eat a man, wouldn't they? A pickaxe is a very interesting weapon. Having no kill with obvious werewolf signs is a bit troubling. Did they convert someone last night?

The blocker has contacted me and claims to have blocked Adam Sokern. Hardly a surprise.

I know I am the probably the most outspoken accuser of Mr. Sokern at present time, but remember, this could mean many things. I will still be voting for Mr. Sorken when the time comes. Especially since this person claims to have blocked him last night and we've seen no killing. But that doesn't mean we'd be in the clear from werewolf violence at night.

The cloaked figure with the pickaxe is incredibly disturbing though. It seems we have a freelance killer out there.

This is what I don't like, If I was a werewolf, and I threatened to kill Dacious, then why did someone who isn't a werewolf kill Dacious? I may have been blocked last night and I may not have, there is no way for me to know because I didn't try to leave my room last night, did the person who blocked me get some sort of confirmation that it was a successful block? I was not trying to get out last night. But I think I know who the freelance killer must be if they targeted Dacious.

[Hinckley]

But I think I know who the freelance killer must be if they targeted Dacious.

Who?

[sok117]

Who?

Well I would assume that it was the chief, I was talking to him yesterday about Dacious and he agreed with me that Dacious had bad intentions, he also accused Dacious in the thread with me, he also said that he had a potentially powerful night action yesterday and yet he's not dead today, so it's just an assumption but itseems the most likely.

[Hinckley]

Well I would assume that it was the chief, I was talking to him yesterday about Dacious and he agreed with me that Dacious had bad intentions, he also accused Dacious in the thread with me, he also said that he had a potentially powerful night action yesterday and yet he's not dead today, so it's just an assumption but itseems the most likely.

Hmmmm....

[MagPiesRUs]

You didn't answer me. What did Mr. Phillips say to convince you he was a townie? And why is it that he chose to contact you? Can anyone else confirm that they received a message from Zed?

[sok117]

You didn't answer me. What did Mr. Phillips say to convince you he was a townie? And why is it that he chose to contact you? Can anyone else confirm that they received a message from Zed?

I'm sorry my good fellow, I guess no one can confirm I received a message from Zed, but if that corner of the room wasn't blocked off, I suppose one could have seen that Zed and myself were talking (If you could see the profile views). I guess he decided to contact me because I stood up for him when that argument was still young, he saw the hint of doubt in my voice and must've decided that I would have been easier to convince rather then someone else. Zed told me about all his troubles in his "real life" supposedly and how he had simply "mis-read" the rules that god gave us so to speak. He then went on to tell me how he was the protector and he didn't want to say it in the day thread to convince you guys because that would mean he would be killed at night because he could not protect himself, which seemed reasonable, but looking back I should have seen how flawed it was, in essence it was a sob story coupled with a night action that I thought would be useful, but in the end it was all just lies

[Hinckley]

Let's compare your reactions to the chief's reactions and your attacks on Mr. Nathan's to the chief's attacks.

I think the chief is trustworthy, if not a bumbling misguided idiot. For those looking over this evidence, just look at the size of the posts. Note Ebenezer Hewitt's apology and change of vote and note how Adam Sokern just keeps attacking. And the consider his accusation against the chief.

Everybody listen up and please pay close attention.

I may be the town slut, but I can spot a slip-up when I see one. I think we've found our first werewolf and I'll try to explain my reasoning without meta-gaming.

Zed Philips has asked how I knew there were other factions. As a villager, I know that I want all the other factions besides the villagers, or the village or the town eradicated. :wink: Am I right? Zed didn't seem to know there were other factions so I imagine he just wants all of the villagers dead. He might not care about the other factions or even be aware of them because all he needs to do to win...this game...of life is outnumber us innocent villagers. So, I know who I'm voting for when the time comes. He may come up with a good excuse but I think the slip-up has already happened. Sorry Zeb. I believe you've shown us your fangs.

Hmm Im not sure if you are being paranoid or if there is some truth to this, however as I said, I will be voting today and this is our only lead.

Feel free to Pmegablocks a Message to me in private if you know anything you are not telling us.

It was nearly midnight here, check if you want, I am in England.

Oh come Officer, I have known you for many years and we both know that you couldn't do probability for your life, so where did you think about when Zed is innocent and that may greatly decrease our chances of winning, especially if he had a decent night action.

I just don't think that there is a point of voting someone for that little mistake.

Yes, several responses which tell you how stupid you are being, yet you are still determined to vote off Zed. At first I thought it was just you trying to make a conviction but now I think you are acting extremely determined, more determined than everyone else. Aswell as this your statistics don't take much into account. Everything you say is only taking into account one side of the argument and I feel like you are just trying to lose us an innocent since even you said yourself that it is likely he will be innocent.

I know that all us village are trying to help the situation and my opinion is that you are trying to get too much done on the first day so I see that as a werewolf trait and here is my vote:

Vote:Dacius Nathans (Dragonator)

Unvote:Dacius Nathans (Dragonator)

Vote: Zed Phillips/Zepher

Sorry officer but I seem to have been played by a scum member and I have now been shown the truth, I can only beg for your forgivness and vote out this scummy member of us.

I am also extremely glad that I didn't reveal my true night action to the ideot, I told him I was a roleblocker after another of my allies told me to make one up and not reveal till at least the second day, thanks

Ho Ho! Seems i've slept in a bit, I'm so embarrassed, it's not like me to arrive late to a party!

I say, if theres any cock left would someone please bring it out? I'm starved I could just shove them down my throat without even chewing I'm so hungry!

It seems that a lot has gone on so far, I think that Harriet has dug up some rather interesting information, but it brings to light how many other dark forces are working against us. Very troubling indeed, with all the talk of vampires and flying pigs and sluts, it's hard to see what people are saying as incriminating, or just useless babble, it is with that that I ask everyone to please remain in a right state of mind, only with clear heads will we be able to catch the evil a foot . I know Harriet has a rather awful track record, you know, being the town escort and getting everyone killed in that play. But it by no means deems her untrustworthy here and now, so we should take what she says as a serious accusation. I know Zed may be our only chance of reaching a conviction today and I am scared to see what will happen if no conviction is made, so with that I think it is with great sadness that I will be voting for you when the time comes, I take this time to ask everyone to be as nice as they can and offer some reassurance to the accomplished author, and if anyone can bring up anymore evidence, that is more clear then I will be ecstatic to change my direction! Ho Ho! I'm off to see what I can dig up.

Could you please tell me where you managed to get this formula from? say we have 24 of us, and lets just throw out a number like three werewolves on the first day and one independant, then we randomly vote on the first day, lets see, we have a 4/24 or 1/6 chance of hitting something that would be good for the town, so we randomly vote, and it will most definitely be a town member, so now we have 19 town as opposed to 20 how is that getting us closer to winning then losing? If theres something I'm missing here fellow constable could you please speak up. And to continue, I think this possible lead is more of voting on a whim, I think were all scared and we shouldn't just vote out the good doctor based on this.

I as well, if we are all working towards the same goal as you have stated above, surley we can make some sense of this, I for one would like to take action to, but I am not ready to kill a man with next to nothing of evidence on him, no sir, I think that it may be in our best interest to wait for something a bit more substantial, at least thats what my "instincts" are telling me, as with others, many peoples "instincts" are telling them that we are condeming an innocent man to his death

Well, the Cheif has stated that he does not feel comfortable with voting for Zed, and nor do I, and for that matter, what kind of example are you setting for the good people of blackwood? Lynch without any real evidence, lynch the naive and tired without any second thought? Thats not the code I live by.

So then what probability is that? Even if it was a 51% higher probability of winning, sure thats higher then 50% but it's pretty insiggnificant, and thats still not a valid reason for voting in my book. Your even going on to admit that your most likely condemning a villager, you know it's probably a villager and you still want them dead? Your starting to act really suspicious to me fellow constable.

Attention people, do what you will with your vote, but no that there is next to no basis for voting, as my fellow officer said "we're most likely voting for a fellow villager" and yet still wanted to vote for him, somethings not right here, and I hope your all seeing this too. And a further note, I'd like to take this time to say that I have tried talking to both the chief and my fellow officer in the corner over there, the chief was happy to respond quickly, my fellow officer, who has had ample time to answer me has still said nothing, it may just be nothing, but I don't like it one bit.

Okay, I'm back everyone, it seems you've got a little far ahead, so I'm gonna be bringing up old points that I think I need to be addressed. so just bear with me a bit

Thank you for seeing what I've had to say me good man, Mr. Nathans is acting very suspicious to me, he has started the bandwagon along with Harriet, and I think they should be something to watch out for. Dacious's passion coupled together with Harriets crazy ramblings are definitely screaming suspicion over to my end of the room.

Yeah, it is interesting how these three were so eager to vote, but I think the werewolves would be smarter to just attack all together like this, is it possible they are all werewolves going on what little evidence has presented itself? yes, but I don't think it's likely, perhaps one or two of them are werewolves and the other is just pulling a Jesus, who knows for sure at this point, but Mr. Nathans actions definitely strike me as the most suspicious of the three.

untrue, although we think a punishment will befall us if we go today without voting, it was made clear to us that a punishment may occur, and therefore, should not be any reason to start a mob against people. Furthermore I think that the rule is there to keep things moving, and add a little heat if we hit a wall and can't go anywhere with our suspicions, but that is just speculation. But wait, whats this? You read one of the rules wrong? You must be a werewolf then! Everyone! I've found one! see what I mean ? I'm basing that on little evidence, maybe the werewolves are so keen on us to vote by threatening us with a punishment that may or may not occur, giving them an advantage so I must stress that if you don't want to vote for someone who you think is innocent, then it's as simple as not voting.

But with reagards to what I have stated above, I reasoned you to be a clever wench and would have trouble believing you to be so sloppy in reading the rules we have been given for this wolf hunt. And furthermore, this line that I have bolded in my notes in which you said to take this situation seriously, your not doing a very good job of that considering all the applsauce and cock you've been throwing about. Why don't you take your own advice and take these matters seriously?

well i'm taking a page from your book here and I must say that I do not buy your apology, rather then stating earlier like others that you were unsure of whether you were voting for a villager or not is unclear to me, so I can't say I believe you for valuing human life, I don't think you truly care for Zed, just one more villager you won't have to deal with.

Throwing out alliances this early in the game is a quick way to screw it up for all of us, why would he come out with members of his alliance, to have them converted and act as double agents? Thats the stupidest reasoning I've heard and it makes me a bit suspicious of you too. But I guess it's rather obvious that people still trust him or at least don't think he is likely to be werewolf by the way they state it in the day thread.

That list doesn't make any sense to me as it appears when you get to higher even numbers like 18-24 the number of mafia players changes from 1 to 2 for even numbers of players, so that list is inconclusive and pointless to the situation at hand, and furthermore, we do not know the number of evil forces out to get us, so the list is even more usless, and to go even further I don' think I understand what your saying you say that "the probability of the town drops when there is an odd number of players", but on that chart it increases, unless you've already factored in a different number of scum, in ehich case I would need to see more statistics, but then again, you were never really good at math or probability for that matter.

on the contrary officer, you keep providing me with all the evidence I need. I think that If you are a werewolf you've already slipped up, and then some. And back at the academy, I was using critical thinking rather then just making assumptions, its why I got higher on our final, and you got three weeks suspension for rash behavior.

If I've said that I'm just idly waiting to have my head ripped off by a werewolf, then by all means cast me out of this group right now. I think your being to rash with your voting, but it is your vote and while I disagree with who your voting for, I'll defend to the death your right to do so. But I would like to say that I am not opposed to voting, I just wish we would have more evidence before condemning this man.

If my memory serves me correct, you stated and I quote "we're more likely to convict a fellow Villager" even statistically speaking that is not comforting to know when your all jumping on a bandwagon, the fact that he knows it, and is still committed. You guys must be able to see something wrong with this.

I have to agree with you on this though, through that I have seen some of these peoples positions, and I think it helped me a bit to determine who I may be able to trust, and who I should start keeping an eye on, but for now, I have my sight set on you.

I have to say I agree with the chief on this one, your only taking in one side of the argument, and your addressing all my points with statistics and past experiences, but this is real. You seem to eager and I hope others can see your rash decision making. I fore warned you that I will see to it tomorrow that you are watched with close eyes and open ears.

Oh, so you made a mistake I see, well that can only mean one thing, your a werewolf right? Using Harriets and your own logic, you would be a werewolf, no? I'm going to be more then happy to vote tomorrow when we see Zed's true alliance, it will be very interesting, yes, indeed. I feel as thopugh your just presureing people to vote, and I don't like it, once again, your fueling your bandwagon, and once it's started it's next to impossible to stop, so theres not much I can do now.

oh thats a great defense, he says he is a useful villager, therefore we know he can't have bad intentions for us, little evidence, little defense. Thats definitely what they taught you in the academy, pathetic.

Well I'm going to answer this with a question, if faced with defending someone who was most likely innocent, whose convicted on little evidence, would you help them? I don't know his true allegiance, actually to say the truth I'm indifferent as to whether he gets voted off or not, if you noticed I haven't made direct inference that he was good or bad in my above arguments just used him to state what was going on, I couldn't care if it was Zed or any other of us, and I don't know if he is werewolf or not, but this ordeal has certainly made you look suspicious, and if he gets voted out tomorrow his death will shed some more light on these points I've made, for one, if he's innocent, I think I've found our first werewolf, and If he's a werewolf, then thank god Mr. Nathans for doing your job, but for right now, I have a strong feeling that he will prove to be an innocent villager.

Mr. Sokern, do you care to share the Chief's private accusations against Mr. Nathans? It should at least be good for a laugh.

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On the contrary Harriet, I think the cheif is even more suspicious for pulling out on his vote against Dacious and playing it against Zed to draw attention away from himself, it certainly made him seem more suspicious to me. I think he may be the one to watch out for.

I was following my instincts, and I thought Dacious was a werewolf, how many times am I gonna have to say this! Thats why I kept attaking him with my long speeches, just because I'm more vocal on my opinions does not make me a werewolf! Thats madness, as I have stated above, it makes the Chief seem more suspicious because of him pulling out of the vote and drawing attention away from himself.

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On the contrary Harriet, I think the cheif is even more suspicious for pulling out on his vote against Dacious and playing it against Zed to draw attention away from himself, it certainly made him seem more suspicious to me. I think he may be the one to watch out for.

I was following my instincts, and I thought Dacious was a werewolf, how many times am I gonna have to say this! Thats why I kept attaking him with my long speeches, just because I'm more vocal on my opinions does not make me a werewolf! Thats madness, as I have stated above, it makes the Chief seem more suspicious because of him pulling out of the vote and drawing attention away from himself.

I certainly understand your point. But I do not see the threats that Chief Ebenezer Hewitt made against Mr. Nathans. Can you point that out for me please?

The content of your quotes actually is significant as your initial reaction was quite rational. That would be consistent with being influenced by Zed behind the scenes.

However, the difference, in my opinion, is instead of seeing two opposing sides misunderstanding circumstantial evidence, you attacked Mr. Nathans as a werewolf, trying to turn everything he had said against him. Perhaps you are just a poor tactician.