def Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 We have 48 hours or so to vote, so I'm going to wait for a while to cast my vote. It seems that there is more information coming.
Inconspicuous Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 I'm also going to wait, since I'm curious what else will be brought to the table. Especially anything concerning Person 4, who seems the most suspicious to me. Mr. Sokern heavily defended Zed, and to me it's still not clear whether that was a defense of a fellow werewolf or a stupid mistake on the part of a townie. Either way, I trust Harriet's judgment.
Hinckley Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 I cannot with confidence say that person 4 is lying. They both deserve a chance to be tested. So, I will look over my evidence on Charles Synclair and make a decision between him and Adam Sokren for today's votes. Sorry to bring everyone the information about the protectors without being able to provide a conclusion. I want what's best for the town and if there's a possibility they are all telling the truth, I can't risk letting any werewolves know their identity. I'll make sure all of my information and theories are backed up with key trusted members of the village before sundown as I'm sure I'm getting closer and closer to death with the target I've put on myself in the last two days. I will miss you all. This has been one of the most fun lifetimes I've had and it's only the second day.
Admiral Ron Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Interesting, this whole news about Mr Sinclair. But I believe he can wait, I vote Adam Sokern/ Sok117. I will trust the judgement of Harriet today.
Shadows Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Given the pace of the discussion, I shall cast my vote for now. Should anything emerge that changes things, I'm still open to following that new information, but at this point I doubt it. In the case of Mr. Sokern, he clearly defended a werewolf vigorously. Since it was day 1 and there was no legitimate way for him to know the allegiance of anyone without actually being part of their group, I believe we have three possibilities. Werewolf. Neutral who doesn't care which side is victorious. Idiot. All of those are dangerous. Vote: Adam Sokern (sok117) I will say that Charles Synclair has left me very suspicious as well, for much the same reasons.
Hinckley Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Yea...I still don't feel right with voting someone off off a shred of evidence. It's also pretty unlikely he's a werewolf. At this point I was annoyed because there was more than a shred of evidence. Zed had made a huge slip-up. That much more than a shred and is more than people in our position have to go off of at the beginning of such an ordeal. Why is it Sebastian, Harriet, and Dacius seem to be the only people openly accusing Zed? Harriet really started the campaign against him, Sebastian and Dacius are the only ones to yet vote for him. They seem kind of...eager. This could be seen as a responsible town move, but I didn't see how it helped to turn on us instead of helping the town weigh the two sides of the accusation. Zed was being pretty smart in not just coming back at me. He knew how guilty that would make him look. Not sure you knew well enough, to appear to look at the whole picture instead of just defend your side. In retrospect, do you see how transparent that would seem if you were a werewolf? The defenders I'm suspicious of are those who are defending with little reason, instead insisting that they don't think voting anyone on the first day is a good idea. Oh dear. It seems we can be punished for not reaching a conclusion. I still don't like it much, but...vote: Zed Phillips/Zehpyr. This is where I became really suspicious. After Arianna pointed out that those who are defending Zed with little to back it up, you did a 180 and cast your vote for Zed ...and coincidentally spelled his alter ego wrong. How disrespectful... Either way, this is very conspicuous timing. Harriet, it seems like a lot of people are blindly following you and taking your word for everything. Not defending Zed, just making observations. As I mentioned after you said it, anyone following the evidence at that point wasn't blindly following me. They were helping to investigate both sides. Take, for example, Ariana who didn't agree 100% but looked into it. Then found that after looking into it, that I and Dacius and Beatrice had a point and that he would vote. You can follow his train of thought and see why he changed his vote. You defended Zed from the beginning with no reason, never tried to help work out the situation, did no further digging into both sides, just accused me and Dacius of starting a bandwagon and voting hastily, as if we were werewolves. You seemed to be ignoring the work the villagers were putting into deciding if the concern I raised merited a vote or was just overly suspcious on my part, and they found answers. You just kept trying to throw suspicion towards me after you had already voted. So, you had the best of both of your worlds. You could say you voted for the werewolf but still try to convince others to change... You mean the reason? Your findings? I'm just saying, everyone seems to be siding with you over one piece of evidence. But I did notice it's a large number of people, and it is unlikely the werewolves would have such a number. But I do hope we don't have to vote someone out over such a small bit of evidence again. Again, this is long after several villagers had pooled evidence together and showed that my suspicion was a good one and Zed continued to slip up. But you had your tunnel vision on me and on defending Zed. Seems like you were trying to protect your numbers. When I pointed out to you that four people had come forward with supporting evidence that Zed was lying, you said: Oh. Sorry madame. Hmm...that's also interesting. Then "That's also interesting" was in response to the baron's vote against the chief. You railed against the possibility of Zed being a werewolf all day but somebody mentions one small thing about another suspicion and suddenly you are interested. Can you see the sudden change in your behavior? Other people were interested in both players who were acting suspiciously. You only were interested in one and doggedly defended the other. Or as I more concisely put it then: So, that's interesting but the points we've brought up against Zeb are to be endlessly questioned? Add all that to the fact that you and Mr. Sokern both defended Zed yesterday and are now trying to vote for eachother, I would imagine you would each like the other to be voted out so you can say you voted for a werewolf and hope people stop being suspicious of you. In my opinion, you are both werewolves and it doesn't matter who we vote out first. However, since so many people have voted for Mr. Sokern already, I shall do so as well, especially since I wrote that play. I should stand by the theories I floated and stand by my fellows villagers. Vote: Adam Sokern/sok117 Plus, we won't have to read his endless posts and multiple PM-quotes.
badboytje88 Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Wow lots of things happened since I went to the toilet to powder my nose. Lets see… Charles comes up with a theory about the third faction. Phillip waves away his arguments claiming he wants to focus on werewolves. Is that because you self are a third party member? Just a hunch, no real evidence. Charles gets accused by Harriet, an accusation I fully support by the way. And BOOM Sokern is all for that theory. You make it very obvious you’re willing to vote out who ever you can vote out just to survive. Thus I will keep an eye out on Charles, sorry dear brother in law but it’s true, you are a bit suspicious. And a teeny tiny eye out for Phillip. And I will Vote: Adam Sokern/sok117 It will also be a relief not having to read through his dreadful long posts filled with quotes.
WhiteFang Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 With the recent revelations and the play which was brought up by Harriet, I will follow the rest as well and pray to convict the right one. Let's do this together as a town! Vote: Adam Sokern (sok117)
Rufus Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 I agree. It's incredible that we have a choice of likely werewolves at this early stage, and I will follow further developments and revelations from Harriet, but for now: vote: Adam Sokern (sok117)
Rick Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Werewolf. Neutral who doesn't care which side is victorious. Idiot. Would a neutral really be so stupid to speak up so loudly on the first day? Oh wait, stupid is underlying all these options, right? I will say that Charles Synclair has left me very suspicious as well, for much the same reasons. Agreed. One of these two would be where my vote would be going as well... (if I'd be allowed to vote that is) Is it time for lunch yet?
Alopex Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Hmmm... I would like to see what is going on with all those protectors first, but I do agree that Adam Sokern seems very suspicious, especially now that he's trying to make other people look guilty... Although I don't trust Charles Synclair either... For now I'll vote: Adam Sokern (sok11)
def Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 He seems quite guilty, and it seems that we're not getting any more new info today, so I Vote: Adam Sokern (sok117) At best, we're bagging a werewolf. At worst, you learned a lesson in how to express yourself more effectively.
Alopex Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 After reading a bit of the great encyclopaedia Mafiwiki I thought of a solution for all the protectors. What if some of the protectors only protect you from werewolves, some only from the other faction, but they do not know about this? Its a bit unlikely that they don't know about it but it's possible...
MagPiesRUs Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Right, it looks like we know what we're going to do today, and most likely tomorrow too. Nice detective work everyone. Now I'd suggest we either protect (assuming they're able to protect against conversions) or get someone to find out who's targetting Harriet at night. That way, we should be able to prevent her from being converted, something she seems to be a prime candidate for at the moment. I feel it's very important for us to continue to have a confirmed townie we can all trust and confide in privately, and Harriet seems to be in the best position to fill this role.
WhiteFang Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 After reading a bit of the great encyclopaedia Mafiwiki I thought of a solution for all the protectors. What if some of the protectors only protect you from werewolves, some only from the other faction, but they do not know about this? Its a bit unlikely that they don't know about it but it's possible... My dear, protection equate using your ability at night to protect someone from harm, regardless of whoever in terms of faction of trying to harm the target that you are protecting. There is no differentiation. Now I'd suggest we either protect (assuming they're able to protect against conversions) or get someone to find out who's targetting Harriet at night. I always assumes that protection includes conversion, but I could be wrong depending on the game mechanics and the only way to block conversions might be through blocking the "converter" or through a probability calculation which is totally random and decided by God.
def Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Now I'd suggest we either protect (assuming they're able to protect against conversions) or get someone to find out who's targetting Harriet at night. That way, we should be able to prevent her from being converted, something she seems to be a prime candidate for at the moment. I feel it's very important for us to continue to have a confirmed townie we can all trust and confide in privately, and Harriet seems to be in the best position to fill this role. A lot of the time there is no protection against conversion, who knows in this case. But, possibly we can luck out with the "target investigator". Harriet survived the first night, but perhaps the threat of being investigated for targeting Harriet is enough to keep her safe.
Quarryman Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Is it time for lunch yet? Sure hope it is, I'm starving, missed breakfast after all, but first, the important thing: Vote: sok117 / Adam Sokern. The mess with the protectors we can look into afterwards, as well as my possibly lycanthropic uncle who doesn't look too good either.
Fugazi Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Well if there is nothing else to be said, and the pickaxe killer is not going to be identified today, I have chosen to Vote: Adam Sokern (sok117). I don't blame him for trying to shift the focus on Mr Charles Synclair, under this kind of pressure this behavious is perhaps to be expected. However, his unwavering defense of a werewolf yesterday -- against the evidence and against everyone else -- is troubling. Perhaps Mr Sokern was seriously mislead, but I'm more inclined to believe that he was purposely trying to defend Mr Phillips.
Alopex Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 My dear, protection equate using your ability at night to protect someone from harm, regardless of whoever in terms of faction of trying to harm the target that you are protecting. There is no differentiation. The angel does not protect from the mafia, and the doctor does not protect from werewolves From http://mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf
def Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 From http://mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf I think this is possible, since the guns and bullets are separated. There could be a few more unique twists to learn
Bob Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 vote: Adam Sokern / sok117 I had suggested voting you off earlier today. Even if you're not a werewolf, you haven't exactly been helping us.
Peanuts Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Once again I'm late for this party. But doesn't matter, I'll vote: Adam Sokern/Sok My dear, protection equate using your ability at night to protect someone from harm, regardless of whoever in terms of faction of trying to harm the target that you are protecting. There is no differentiation. I always assumes that protection includes conversion, but I could be wrong depending on the game mechanics and the only way to block conversions might be through blocking the "converter" or through a probability calculation which is totally random and decided by God. I remember a funny story another detective once told me, it was about a castle, where both wizards and assassins could kill. There was one protector to protect from earthly kills, and one from magic kills. Might be the same in here.
Ricecracker Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 I trust Harriet more than anyone else here, and what she's brought forward has only benefitted us. Therefore, I will Vote: Adam Sokern/Sok
Alopex Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 I remember a funny story another detective once told me, it was about a castle, where both wizards and assassins could kill. There was one protector to protect from earthly kills, and one from magic kills. Might be the same in here. Thanks for the confirmation! I didn't know if this had happened before in this country, but it was mentioned in the great book http://mikeburnfire.....com/mscumB.swf (in a werewolf + Mafia context.)
Sandy Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 I agree with the possibility of specified protectors, but I'd think they would know who they can protect from. Of course, nothing is certain in this game of life, so we have to take all possible scenarios into consideration until we know better.
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