Inconspicuous Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Well, he certainly sounds scummy. I highly doubt there are two investigators that belong to the same faction that both have the title of Seer. Sebastien sounds more vague, like he was lying and faked being an investigator. It also sounds like Harriet would rather believe Gary, and of course she voted for Sebastien. I consider that enough evidence, so I will vote: Sebastien Vaughn/Shadows.
MagPiesRUs Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Despite the emotions, let's not forget that there is an investigation result implicating Sebastien Vaughn as evil. I didn't make that up. It's a lead worth investigating. And it's up to all of us to figure out how we want to investigate it. This certainly is interesting. Did the investigator find out what faction of scum Mr. Vaughn belonged to? Is he a werewolf, a rogue or just "evil"? It would be nice if we could get that cleared that up.
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 This certainly is interesting. Did the investigator find out what faction of scum Mr. Vaughn belonged to? Is he a werewolf, a rogue or just "evil"? It would be nice if we could get that cleared that up. There is no indication of what faction, just that he is an evil-doer and means to cause harm to the village. Other people's night actions mentioned "evil-doers." That is the only information we have.
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I do hope then when Mr. Vaughn returns he can explain why he chose to reveal the findings of his investigation on the two villagers. Were their affiliations in question? I do not believe so. Did he just potentially reveal two targets to the scum? Yes, he did. Is Sebastien Vaughn acting in the best interest of the village? No, he is not. It will be hard for me to change my vote considering these actions of Mr. Vaughn. The tantrum doesn't change the findings of those with night activity and Mr. Vaughn's behavior seems to back up the findings. I am not sure if I'm right, but I'm making the best decision with the information I have. I hope people will see that if Mr. Vaughn is convicted and turns out innocent. Furthermore, does Mr. Vaughn expect anybody to believe that he is the type of person to do whatever I say? He says he tested Arianna just because I asked him to, but if he had so many reasons to investigate Charles, why didn't he tell me his plan or explain how it would've benefited the village? I didn't tell Mr. Vaughn who to investigate, I asked and he willingly agreed with no argument. These are not the actions of a man with the village's best interests at heart.
Admiral Ron Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 This could mean something, if Vaughn does turn out to be a member of evil, then we can possibly assume his targets are evil as well, right?
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 This could mean something, if Vaughn does turn out to be a member of evil, then we can possibly assume his targets are evil as well, right? No. I do not believe that is possible. I know that both of his targets are indeed, villagers. If you follow the plays, you can figure out why... This means that if Vaughn was truly interested in the well-being of the village, he wouldn't have revealed these results. There was no reason to. It only puts the two people he investigated in danger. How would he know they were villagers if he's not an investigator? Well, one person told him their night action and if he is scum, he knows who is innocent since he knows all of the members of the scum team. Perhaps he investigates to find other factions, perhaps he is actually a framer. I don't know. I still don't know if Gary Coleman is right. But, these are where my instincts are and they match the opinions of those behind the scenes who I trust. Until we can test, definitively, any of these claims, I will not be revealing the identities of the villagers who fight evil, or claim to, at night.
Shadows Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I don't mind being the spokesperson for those with night activities. What you don't mind doing is revealing people who have important roles so they can be killed by the scum. What you don't mind doing is getting the killer to take out an innocent villager. What you don't mind doing is leading a vote against me when you know for a megablocking fact that I'm a villager and investigator. Good job, yet again. So, when you're revealed to be wrong (shocker), you'll just blame someone else and say you're only the messenger. It's a nice scum move, it really is. I wonder if they'll be stupid enough to fall for it again. Hell, they probably won't even go after your fake investigator either. Seriously people, it isn't worth fighting, you'll kill me or the scum will. I honestly don't care at this point. I was really happy to finally have a normal role in this game of life and be able to help the good guys, and instead I get screwed over again by someone who is either scum or playing as badly as they usually do. It's just tiresome and I absolutely refuse to give you 10 pages of entertainment fighting lies and stupidity. This means that if Vaughn was truly interested in the well-being of the village, he wouldn't have revealed these results. There was no reason to. It only puts the two people he investigated in danger. Do you think everyone is that stupid? By revealing them, the villagers now know who is loyal. The scum already knew that those two weren't part of their group. All I've done is protected two people from your future lies. Annoying, isn't it?
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 It's just tiresome and I absolutely refuse to give you 10 pages of entertainment fighting lies and stupidity. Giving up is so helpful for the town. Cock.
Shadows Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Until we can test, definitively, any of these claims, I will not be revealing the identities of the villagers who fight evil, or claim to, at night. You already did. Again, do you think people can't read? You revealed the village investigator to the scum and then led a vote against them. You also got the night killer to kill a villager. You're doing a swell job so far. Giving up is so helpful for the town. Cock. Getting their investigator killed is less helpful. Bitch.
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 If the investigator who claims Vaughn is evil turns out to be incorrect, of course their identity would come out. And if I didn't reveal it, there are three other people who know the identity of the other investigator and would not let me get away without revealing it. I am working diligently to make sure I don't repeat the mistakes of past lives and ensuring that with this setup of me representing the others, there are still checks and balances so I don't have all the power. If Mr. Vaughn were convicted and turned out to be innocent and I didn't reveal the true accuser, I would expect to be lynched myself. Don't forget, I did catch Zed in a slip-up that lead to the successful conviction of a werewolf on the first day and potentially saved many of us from being turned into or killed by werewolves. I have clearly demonstrated that I have the best interest of the village at heart. Mr. Vaughn does not appear to, in my opinion. Do you think everyone is that stupid? By revealing them, the villagers now know who is loyal. The scum already knew that those two weren't part of their group. All I've done is protected two people from your future lies. Annoying, isn't it? But nobody was suspicious of either one of them before. Truly, you can't be stupid enough to think people won't see that you gave the scum two targets by revealing them.
Shadows Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Mr. Vaughn does not appear to, in my opinion. I took a chance and confirmed my role to you, then let you choose who I investigated and reported that information back so you would feel comfortable trusting someone you were uncertain of. I've done as much for this village as you have without getting someone with an important role killed. When the town has no investigator, how will it find the truth? Again, good job, moron. But nobody was suspicious of either one of them before. Truly, you can't be stupid enough to think people won't see that you gave the scum two targets by revealing them. Thank you for confirming that you really are that stupid. THE SCUM KNOW WHO IS LOYAL ALREADY. EVERYONE IS A TARGET. Now, two people aren't a target of the village and you can't lie and get them killed as you are me. For megabluck's sake, please play in the noob games once they start, you need some serious help with understanding this game of life, assuming you aren't scum. If you're scum, good luck continuing to fool the villagers, some of them will see through this when I die because of you.
CMP Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Thank you for confirming that you really are that stupid. THE SCUM KNOW WHO IS LOYAL ALREADY. EVERYONE IS A TARGET. Now, two people aren't a target of the village and you can't lie and get them killed as you are me. Yes, but since those 2 are already in the clear now, the scum aren't going to kill some other person and reveal their allegience. They'd go after the already confirmed villagers so that the probability of them being found is lower.
Shadows Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Yes, but since those 2 are already in the clear now, the scum aren't going to kill some other person and reveal their allegience. They'd go after the already confirmed villagers so that the probability of them being found is lower. If they're stupid scum. I'm not going to help either side any more by explaining any of the logic involved in this situation. You're all on your own.
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Again, good job, moron. Thank you for confirming that you really are that stupid. THE SCUM KNOW WHO IS LOYAL ALREADY. EVERYONE IS A TARGET. Now, two people aren't a target of the village and you can't lie and get them killed as you are me. For megabluck's sake, please play in the noob games once they start, you need some serious help with understanding this game of life, assuming you aren't scum. If you're scum, good luck continuing to fool the villagers, some of them will see through this when I die because of you. 1. Stop metagaming. 2. If you tell all the villagers to trust, the scum will target them at night. They need to outnumber us and why not get rid of the ones people know to be villagers? Scum want to cause confusion and they need to make the innocent look guilty. If you prove someone's innocent, the scum is more likely to go after them. Because then we don't know who to trust. They want us not to know who to trust... 3. Not only did you reveal villagers, you revealed (if everyone can pick up from the plays) one with a night action. You gave the scum targets to kill at night because now they have people who are known to the villagers to be trusted. See how that works? When the village trusts somebody, if they lose them, it's bad for the villagers. The scum will try to get rid of the most trusted players. You can't be that dense that you don't understand that? I'm not sure how else I could re-phrase it to try to get through to you. Do you need me to explain how outing someone with a night action is bad for the village? Shall I draw you pictures? There has to be some remedial way to get though to you. So, I guess the "good job, moron" should actually be re-directed at you. Go ahead. Take it. You truly deserve it.
CMP Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 1. Stop metagaming. 2. If you tell all the villagers to trust, the scum will target them at night. They need to outnumber us and why not get rid of the ones people know to be villagers? Scum want to cause confusion and they need to make the innocent look guilty. If you prove someone's innocent, the scum is more likely to go after them. Because then we don't know who to trust. They want us not to know who to trust... 3. Not only did you reveal villagers, you revealed (if everyone can pick up from the plays) one with a night action. You gave the scum targets to kill at night because now they have people who are known to the villagers to be trusted. See how that works? When the village trusts somebody, if they lose them, it's bad for the villagers. The scum will try to get rid of the most trusted players. You can't be that dense that you don't understand that? I'm not sure how else I could re-phrase it to try to get through to you. Do you need me to explain how outing someone with a night action is bad for the village? Shall I draw you pictures? There has to be some remedial way to get though to you. So, I guess the "good job, moron" should actually be re-directed at you. Go ahead. Take it. You truly deserve it. You just revealed a night action player, so maybe the 'good job, moron' should be split between both of you.
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 You just revealed a night action player, so maybe the 'good job, moron' should be split between both of you. The identity was protected by me until Sebastian revealed who he supposedly investigated... So, no, I didn't reveal anything that Mr. Vaughn hadn't already revealed.
CMP Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The identity was protected by me until Sebastian revealed who he supposedly investigated... So, no, I didn't reveal anything that Mr. Vaughn hadn't already revealed. He said nothing about a night action.
Shadows Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The identity was protected by me until Sebastian revealed who he supposedly investigated... So, no, I didn't reveal anything that Mr. Vaughn hadn't already revealed. No, it wasn't. You revealed my role long before I said who I investigated. Now you're going to resort to rewriting the past and lying? Give it up already and just take your punishment when the truth comes out. It's a lot more dignified. Mature even. Like being a grown up. He said nothing about a night action. You are correct. Good to see someone is paying attention here.
Rick Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 He said nothing about a night action. No, but in conjunction with the plays it's not so difficult to make the connection. I think Harriet is right. Maybe not in outing Sebastien so early, but I do like to hear the opinions of more people on the evidence presented. Sebastien and Harriet calling each other moron, idiot, and noob isn't going to get us any further at this point. I think their positions are perfectly clear by now.
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 He said nothing about a night action. You are dense. I wrote a play about a person with a night action revealing their night action to Sebastien. In the same play, Sebastien investigated that person. I called him Goldilocks. Sebastien has now told everybody the name of the person he investigated. Anyone who can put 2 and 2 together, so I guess you're not included in this, Charles, could see that Sebastien revealed the identity of the Inventor. Do you need a diagram for that?
Shadows Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Sebastien and Harriet calling each other moron, idiot, and noob isn't going to get us any further at this point. I think their positions are perfectly clear by now. We could start calling you names, if that would be better. You are dense. I wrote a play about a person with a night action revealing their night action to Sebastien. Actually, it's still you. No one has revealed their role to me except for what you've told me privately. I only revealed the alignment of two people I investigated. I had no choice in that matter since I'm likely to die today and letting that info die with me deprives the village of the names of two people they can actually trust. Unlike you. So, to repeat, I have not been told any roles except for what you have told me, and at this point I figure you're either an idiot or a liar, so that information is useless. YOU, on the other hand, have endangered several people, most of all me. The village investigator. Yay, you.
Hinckley Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 No one has revealed their role to me except for what you've told me privately. And I have told you nothing. Any insinuation that I have is a complete lie. I feel much more confident that you are scum when you make things up like this. I'm protecting the identities of those who I trust and believe. I wouldn't reveal them to anyone, especially you, who I trust the least.
Shadows Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 And I have told you nothing. Any insinuation that I have is a complete lie. I feel much more confident that you are scum when you make things up like this. I'm protecting the identities of those who I trust and believe. I wouldn't reveal them to anyone, especially you, who I trust the least. Lying to cover your lying only leads to more lying. At least now I know my gut instinct was right and I should have investigated you instead. My mistake there. One I won't make again. As for you protecting anyone's identity, they can certainly look at the results of my death to see how reliable you are in that department. At least I don't have an important role ... oh crap.
Admiral Ron Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I am sorry, I do not feel comfortable with this: Unvote: Sebastien Vaughn/Shadows
Alopex Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Although Sebastien is looking pretty guilty, I won't vote for him yet. An for gods sake, stop calling each other names. Its so immature and silly.
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