Professor Flitwick Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Of the votes against me; one is from a relative newbie to the village, who votes with his heart, not with his mind; another is from a long timer, who regularly shows incredibly poor judgment in these situations; and the third is from a great tactician, who knowing Edgar was innocent, could "justifiably" throw a vote at poor little Helen here... Oh, that third voter is oh so suspicious. You tease!!
I Scream Clone Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Houses don't burnt down for any reason... So you are a neutral going off previous posting, you have a knowledge of others abilities already, possibly a pyromaniac? And wild fire will continue to rampage and no one will ever have a chance to stop the forest fire anymore. Is your trunk some how useful in putting out fires? I too am surprised to see my friends and neighbours behave in such a way. I have absolutely no clue as to whether Edgar is innocent or not, but the speed of the bandwagon worries me greatly. Edgar has revealed that he has important information about our situation, so lynching him looks like a scummy thing to do. On the other hand, I do agree with voting against somebody. But why rush into voting, when there's still plenty of daytime left? Ganging up on somebody is an effective way of making them spill their beans, as is evident in the case of Edgar, but since there's a limitation to taking back our votes, we have to be extra careful to not make grave mistakes. I'm aware that not voting for Edgar right now makes me look as if I'm defending him (it's a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation, really), but I want to take a deep breath, sniff my flower and recollect my thoughts before casting my vote. Hope you don't mind. My reasons for voting for Edgar are entirely based on his posting and the need to avoid a random kill during the night, if this makes me look guilty then fine, I have as much in the way of clues as the rest of you. Of course. The latter end of the bandwagon looks more suspicious to me, as that caused Edgar to be put very close to conviction despite how early in the day it was. Specifically, the group of Kenda, Bristol, Gabby and Bruno. Gilbert unvoted before most people had expressed suspicion at the speed of the badwagon, so his vote is slightly less suspicious. Benji didn't vote straight away, so at least he thought a bit before jumping straight onto the bandwagon (I suppose this could also be interpreted as him waiting for more votes to go on so that he could be sure Edgar would be lynched, though I don't feel that was his motive). As well as that, Kenda, Bristol, Gabby and Bruno all suggested that they felt Edgar was the only conviction possible at that point, so they felt it best to simply follow the crowd and did not feel at all suspicious about the amount of votes Edgar had gained (admittedly, this doesn't apply to Kenda as much as the others). There are probably others guilty of the same thing, though these four are the people I'm currently looking at. Please, that gambit has been run to death, "Its always the last few voters that are scum" Come off it, Scum aren't that obvious any more, especially in an "All Fur" line up such as this. Thanks for placing some faith in my grasp for Scum, but really I have no real leads to go on except how quickly our trunked friend started dropping clues (though if I felt threatened too I may do the same to help innocents out) Ahhh it does this poor pussy's head in. I don't think he's guilty, and we can be certain that one or two votes for him are scum, and some defense of him are also scum, knowing that he's innocent, wanting to appear town. Unvote: Edgar the Elephant/Whitefang No worries, day one voting aren't based on much. Don't you think those jumping on the vote are more suspicious than the one who first voted? Well that's the problem isn't it, people are quick to point blame wherever they can in an attempt to draw attention away from other issues etc. It looks like the vote will be split with all the people unsure. Perhaps that is a blessing, but I will not unvote Edgar at this stage as I have no private chats to go off. Make of that what you will conspiracy theorists, but I am sticking to my guns even if they are wrong, rather than flit and flat around I plan to at least learn something one way or another.
Sandy Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Well, you have the choice of doing nothing day one. Or, starting a vote for somebody, and seeing how people react. I was a little suspicious of Edgar at first, but over a series of private discussions with him, he seems to be genuinely on our side, so I unvoted him. I find it surprising that during a little nap, he got up to 12 votes! Did 11 others really find him equally suspicious? Now Brigit Bunny's vote for me, that is suspicious too... The timing, no reasoning... No reasoning? My reasoning is the exact same as yours when you voted for Edgar: I believe we should vote someone, and you are as good a person to start with as anybody. Adding to that, some of the things you said sound a little off to my long ears, like the following: Oh, that third voter is oh so suspicious. Are you trying to start another bandwagon, now against me? For doing only what you yourself did in the first place? I did not say my vote against you is final at any point. I still haven't unvoted anyone today so I get to reconsider. Your attitude doesn't make me want to reconsider, though...
Zepher Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 You are all so silly. Hahaha. The first day is useless. I think that at least, maybe I'm being a goofy goof, but the bandwagon starter is almost never a baddie, because who would draw attention to them the first day? Bandwagon jumpers may just want to do SOMETHING. The person accused is chosen totally at random. The people lashing back are generally trying to protect the poor silly who got accused for silly reasons. The only people I can really see as bad are the band-wagoners, especially the later ones, who are really pushing for a conviction. But, again, that could be silly, considering how fast things happened, some people who would have voted may have not had a chance to voice their vote who would have. Again, I think very little information is gained on the first day. I hate first day votes. Marcellus didn't say anything bad would happen if we didn't vote other than MAYBE a night killing, which will happen either way most likely. WAIT! Sorry, I'm a fur brain on the inside! Haha. Forgot to make a point. Maybe the hippo was starting a vote that she didn't want to go through so everyone would unvote, and then if they voted again they'd have to stick with it. Strange strategy, far-fetched, but you know, sometimes this old fur brain thinks up some crazy things! And best to share opposed to not sharing.
Bob Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Unvote: Edgar Elephant / WhiteFang Currently, I'm somewhat suspicious of Benji Bulldog, Kaley Cat, and Horace Horse. Why? They just seem suspicious to me, it's kind of a gut feeling I think. Also, look for the ones who are trying to distract us, and throw us off course. Those like Kenda Cat with her "Furry Party". More recently she's been trying to focus on the serious matters at hand, but we must still watch out for people like this. I don't think that Brigit Bunny is a Demon for calling out the hefty Hippo, I think she was trying to defend Edgar from an unwarranted lynching. Same with Mindy Mouse. They're only trying to defend Edgar Elephant from death, which he was very close to in a bandwagon that none of us actually thought about. We blindly followed Helen, which I also did, because at the time I thought it was the logical thing to do, and go with the crowd. If I didn't follow the crowd, and Edgar was scum, I would be under scrutiny. That being said, I don't think that Helen is malicious in her vote either, she was merely trying to "get the ball rolling" so we could find something out. Unfortunately, this was going to be done at Edgar's expense. Rarely do we ever learn anything on the first day, we have to wait until night to see what happens. Regrettably, some people are lost at night, which is why it's always a sad event. However, we usually learn from what happens. Sadly, we'll just have to wait and see.
Sandy Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Again, I think very little information is gained on the first day. I hate first day votes. Oh, the sheer irony of things... Anyway, I will gladly unvote Miss Hippo if a more viable name comes up. But I will vote. We as a public will not know anything if we do not vote people out. We don't even know what type of killers there are aside the Demon Legionnaires. I used to think our adorable community was free of evil and corruption, but recent events have turned that conception to it's head. Even the flowers here have started to smell foul...
def Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 No reasoning? My reasoning is the exact same as yours when you voted for Edgar: I believe we should vote someone, and you are as good a person to start with as anybody. Adding to that, some of the things you said sound a little off to my long ears, like the following: Are you trying to start another bandwagon, now against me? For doing only what you yourself did in the first place? I did not say my vote against you is final at any point. I still haven't unvoted anyone today so I get to reconsider. Your attitude doesn't make me want to reconsider, though... Your reasoning is certainly nothing like mine. I voted Edgar because I found his behaviour off of what it usually was, and there was a need to feel out the players. Your vote for me is because I am "as good a person to with"? No, scum don't usually start a vote on the first day, and you should know that. Then, lightly threatening me that you won't take your vote off of me because I find you suspicious? Even more suspicious. Revenge voting is a bad tactic. Again, you should know this. We're looking for scum, not flinging mud around, as much as I love rolling in the mud. You're just sounding scummier and scummier...
I Scream Clone Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Chill out Bristol, feel the fur tonight, it will help you loosen up and ignore the killings outside Odd that a bunny doesn't want to come to an orgy furry party... Guess its easy to cast aspersions on all members, I seek not to distract, rather enjoy what little time we have left in case death shall take us in the evening
iamded Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 But since we need to convict someone to progress, I will vote: Helen Hippo/def.Please, we need to investigate Edgar tonight, not lynch him right off the bat. Okay, but really, what makes Helen any less deserving of investigation before lynching? Same goes for all of us. Any one of us could state, when faced with the prospect of death by demon, that they have an important role for helping the town, and voting them off would be foolish. However, with everyone unvoting Edgar, my confidence has been shook, so therefore I will use my daily unvote. Unvote: Edgar Elephant (Whitefang) Currently, I'm somewhat suspicious of Benji Bulldog, Kaley Cat, and Horace Horse. Why? They just seem suspicious to me, it's kind of a gut feeling I think. Cats and dogs, eh? Wait, you said my name too! What have you got against Horace Horse! I thought we had something special Bristol...
Zepher Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Even the flowers here have started to smell foul... ... The flowers smell fine, thank you very much. *grumble* pissy missy *grumble* No, scum don't usually start a vote on the first day, and you should know that. Then, lightly threatening me that you won't take your vote off of me because I find you suspicious? Even more suspicious. Revenge voting is a bad tactic. Again, you should know this. Points I talked about above doofus! Haha. Sorry, you're not a doofus, just silly. Another thing you know. She was defending a member who she thought was wrongfully accused, a common tactic for the town that you should know. I disagree with Bristol. First day votes gain us nothing but paranoia. Those demon lovers are probably laughing their taily wailys off right now, watching you two fight and quietly eating popcorn. Brigit, not Bristol. So many bunnies make more poor head spin. Haha!
def Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 First day votes gain us nothing but paranoia. Said the wolf sheep.
Zepher Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Bah. I thought that before I read that play about the wolves, and after it too. They caught that dolt on a fluke. Past books have not been as lucky, but I can't control all you folks. I simply refuse to vote on the first day, unless someone suddenly finds a note from God saying that he knows who a demon lover is. You can all kill each other off if you want, I can't stop you. But I'd prefer it if you didn't. I sort of like you all... except the demon folks. And Brigit when she insulted my flowers.
Shadows Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 I'll have to agree that perhaps I was a little too worried about what god might do to us, combined with some confusion over the claim being made. I took a long nap and now that I look at it with a clearer head, I can see where there is some logic to what Edgar has said. I hope someone will take the opportunity to try to verify those claims, but for now I can't vote for him without feeling like it could be a bad mistake. Unvote: Edgar Elephant (Whitefang) At the same time, I don't understand the new bandwagon for Helen and can't participate in it either. I have a feeling we may be letting this day end without a conviction because it's not really possible to condemn one of us based on guesswork. If god takes revenge on us for that, I'll be very disappointed, since he hasn't given us anything to work with today.
Scouty Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 I have a feeling we may be letting this day end without a conviction because it's not really possible to condemn one of us based on guesswork. If god takes revenge on us for that, I'll be very disappointed, since he hasn't given us anything to work with today. Just to point out, it hasn't been confirmed what will happen if we miss a conviction. Marcellus just said "I guess so". So, I guess we can make this a night of seeing what happens if we don't convict Now, since everyone is unvoting Edgar, I feel obligated to do the same. However, I am conflicted that we may be just missing the mark? Hopefully we can get some verifications tonight, through whatever investigator network there is. Either way, unvote: Edgar Elephant I really need to know more before voting, so I apologize for that
Hinckley Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 Vote tally WhiteFang / Edgar Elephant: 3 votes (Dragonator, I Scream Clone, Ricecracker) def / Helen Hippo: 3 votes (CorneliusMurdock, Professor Flitwick, Sandy)
badboytje88 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I'm glad I didn't vote against anyone. No one looked guilty enough to vote of... I do however would like to reach a conviction today. We might convict a neutral of a Demon guy. If we do not vote, God will punish us, and someone will be murdered. This will most likely be a townie...
Zepher Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I'm glad I didn't vote against anyone. No one looked guilty enough to vote of... I do however would like to reach a conviction today. We might convict a neutral of a Demon guy. If we do not vote, God will punish us, and someone will be murdered. This will most likely be a townie... Don't be a silly. God said nothing of the sort, and neither did Marcellus Monkey. I would like to remind the townies of a book in which they thought god would be all angry if they didn't convict anyone, and then after all was said and done god told them that they were dead wrong and ended up killing a friendly giant for nothing. My eyes well up every time I read it. Asylum was the name.
iamded Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I'm glad I didn't vote against anyone. No one looked guilty enough to vote of... I do however would like to reach a conviction today. We might convict a neutral of a Demon guy. If we do not vote, God will punish us, and someone will be murdered. This will most likely be a townie... Reaching a conviction today is as effective as it is ineffective. We might convict a townie. If we do not vote, God may punish us, and someone could be smote. This could possibly be a neutral or a scummy demon worshipper. Sorry, I just think the way you worded that wasn't the best. Really, if we vote someone out at random, they have just a good a chance to be townie, neutral or scum than someone who is God-killed to punish us for not voting. I used to be against voting on day one, err, in books telling of situations like this, but then I realised convicting someone is the only way to learn things on Day 1. By looking at who votes, who unvotes, when they do these things, and who doesn't vote at all, we could determine who was likely to be scum. But since we're all so experienced with these 'books', that doesn't really work any more, as a scum would know what a scum is likely to do, and a scum would know that we know what a scum is likely to do, and so would do the opposite. Or maybe they'd know we expect that, and so would not do the opposite...
Zepher Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Thank you Horace! Exactly what I've been saying! You're a cutie, you know that. Come smell my flowers with me sometime. The patterns of the first day are so well known, everyone is just doing tradition. Nothing can be truly evaluated. I would never vote on Day One, and all my favorite characters in all the books, the ones I've felt a connection with, have done the same, be they goodies or baddies. No one is likely to give anything up at this point.
iamded Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Thank you Horace! Exactly what I've been saying! You're a cutie, you know that. Come smell my flowers with me sometime. You're very welcome. Took me a while to word that so it made sense too. I hope to see you at the party tonight.
Inconspicuous Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 My apologies for my absence. I don't like the idea of randomly convicting if it turns out there are no consequences. However, voting randomly can reveal information and it seems like we've learned a tidbit or two through our bandwagon that barely was stopped. The mob effect was quite strong, and I might have joined myself for the sake of learning something. Thankfully it looks like we've learned without losing a member. Day One is always the hardest, especially in such a tight-knit, experienced village like this. The Demons know how we're expecting them to act, so they might want to act differently but we'll expect that too. So everything is a jumble and nothing solid emerges. All I can say is, unless we randomly convict, I hope something substantial comes up tomorrow.
badboytje88 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Don't be a silly. God said nothing of the sort, and neither did Marcellus Monkey. I would like to remind the townies of a book in which they thought god would be all angry if they didn't convict anyone, and then after all was said and done god told them that they were dead wrong and ended up killing a friendly giant for nothing. My eyes well up every time I read it. Asylum was the name. Reaching a conviction today is as effective as it is ineffective. We might convict a townie. If we do not vote, God may punish us, and someone could be smote. This could possibly be a neutral or a scummy demon worshipper. Sorry, I just think the way you worded that wasn't the best. Really, if we vote someone out at random, they have just a good a chance to be townie, neutral or scum than someone who is God-killed to punish us for not voting. You are right about the way I worded it, it was late and I really wanted to know what was going on. I should have taken a nap before listening to all the conversation I missed. I'm sorry but I believe Marcellus said this at the start of the day. "What if we can't reach a decision?" Someone asked, "Then what?" "Um..." Marcellus began, "I'm not really sure." "If we don't convict someone, will the creatures come take someone in the night at random?" Another concerned citizen asked. "I guess that will happen," Marcellus seemed unsure, "So we better stick to this today. Otherwise we'll never start and therefore will never find the evil among us until it's too late. I know this is hard, everyone, but this is for the best. We will find reason to suspect someone...I think..." And I think when the creatures come out to take someone at night, because we didn't convict someone, that would mean that an innocent person would get murdered. I don't think the creature would kill one of the Deamondevil guys as it is on their side.
Dragonator Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 My reasons for voting for Edgar are entirely based on his posting and the need to avoid a random kill during the night, if this makes me look guilty then fine, I have as much in the way of clues as the rest of you. I concur with this my dear pussy cat. I may only be a simple garbage bear, but I know the importance of us starting to gather information now, before the demons begin killing us off during the dark of night. If we refuse to make a conviction just because it is the first day, without even making an effort, then we are wasting our first opportunity to observe voting and posting patterns. I was under the impression this was an all-furs game, so I didn't think I'd need to explain this to you all. Some of you may recall my commentary on the werewolf play that troupe of actors put on last season. Statistically, the town are more likely to survive if they actually get off their tails and do something. You'd think that would be obvious, wouldn't you? But clearly, some of you think that simply doing nothing will make the problem go away. Make of that what you will conspiracy theorists, but I am sticking to my guns even if they are wrong, rather than flit and flat around I plan to at least learn something one way or another. Here is a pussy big bear can admire. We've already learnt some things from the voting so far today, which is good. Currently, I don't want to vote for Helen just because she led the charge so to speak, so I will not be unvoting. I only get to do it once, so I'm not going to do it until I have someone I find more suspicious than Edgar. I have read through what Edgar has said, and frankly I find it to be a convoluted mess of "subtle" hints and claims that could be interpreted in any number of ways. I agree with Helen's original reason for the vote, and while I do think that Edgar's defense should definitely be considered, currently it is not enough to make me change my mind. We've learnt the most so far today from seeing how people react to votes, something which our well hung blacksmith could do with remembering. We may all think we're pretty awesome at life, but sitting around and doing nothing really isn't awesome at all.
badboytje88 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I understand why people unvoted Edgar. I can even understand why some people voted for Helen. But I don't think voting for Helen is the solution. I think we shouldn't look at the person who started the voting bandwagon, scum would never cast the first stone. I think we need to check out those who hopped on the bandwagon very fast without any reason.
CorneliusMurdock Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Instead of just saying we should look at people who did this or that, we need to actually DO something. Those who think they know better than I might find it helpful to offer up actual names or voice their suspicions about specific people.
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