Lego Technic Clones

[Rijkvv]

Well, maybe because we like the designs and want to try and build it out of LEGO?

Then you can just search on the official LEGO site, for the original 8273 model.

[Peppermint_M]

Then you can just search on the official LEGO site, for the original 8273 model.

And TaaDaa, someone who knows the sets better comes up with the set

See, Clone and Bootleg are different beasts

[Ondra]

To Vassal

I just bought the Decoo kit 3331. That is the blue crane dump truck.

I bought it for my son for christmas and we were putting it together and the pages 27,28,29 and 30 are missing from the instrution book. is there any way you could post those pages for me so I can finish this thing?

Thank you

Mike

First this is lego forum, second I will not help somebody who rather buy clone brand than original lego and ask for help in lego forum,

[pint14]

My friend bought one some years ago, the plastic isnt same strong as real LEGO have. And the colors are a bit different.

[Robert M]

Lego is Lego and if you want something that you can build with instructions, or build your own creation, buy Lego. You shouldn't even be considering buying other products with similar pieces. Your on Eurobricks, a Lego forum, so don't talk about other knock of brands unless you're behind most of the members here and disagree with it. For the ones who have bought Decoo and enjoyed it, i'm ashamed. How would you like to create a unique toy only for me to come along and sell the same thing under a different name, you wouldn't so Lego doesn't either, have some respect.

[Boxerlego]

Look at the Tire Tread on both the pictures. There not the same. The FAKE has square shape treads while the REAL DEAL does not.

http://www.regiojatek.hu/data/regio_images/normal/07981_0.jpg

http://p6.hostingprod.com/@southernseller.com/8273frtbetsmlr.jpg

[Taiwan brick]

Thanks Peppermint_M

This thread is all about fake lego. If you are so apposed to it then why are you commenting on this thread????

I'm sure that LEGO will survive.

[TechnicMati]

I've been watching discussions and threads over eurobricks for months but this one eventually pushed me to register and take part actively. I think these Lego Technic clones are rubbish, sh.t and may seriously be a big problem according to Lego Technic second hand market. When I was a child I got legendary Lego set with pneumatics 8443 and few years ago I decided to try and come back to Lego technic as an older person. I tried to modify this set 8443 and had an idea to make an rc model. I found a second hand market place in my city where I was able to buy Technic pieces for grams cheaper and didn't have to buy whole new sets (At that time for me it was a great opportunity as I was sure that Lego technic parts are unique and wasn't even considering existence of its clones). But further on I bought few new big and medium Lego Technic sets, lots of PF parts and so on. Now I have quite a big collection of nice Lego Technic sets but also a kilo or two of that old technic pieces from the second hand market. The problem is that I am not sure if my Lego technic collecton isn't mixed with rubbish decoo or something parts. How to recognize this rubbish (clones) pieces. I found that some parts (example pins) from my second hand market collection don't have a friction of my new (sure Lego Technic parts). All this creates my opinion that the ones who produce these clones should be banned and pay for it as a threat for others who may want to copy brand product whit sh.t quality.

So eventually my question. Are these clones sets, parts recognizable?

We may come to a situation that all second hand market of lego technic (amazon, e-bay) may be mixed with rubbish clones of poor quality and you wouldn't even be able to recongnize and differ ORIGINAL LEGO from a poor clone. It's sad. Then you have to stick to new lego sets.

[Robert M]

Thanks Peppermint_M

This thread is all about fake lego. If you are so apposed to it then why are you commenting on this thread????

I'm sure that LEGO will survive.

This thread was set up to warn people of it. Yes, they will survive, I'm not saying it won't. Fake Lego is fraudulent like many other things, but it still goes around and shouldn't. How many post have you got? 4, don't tell me what Eurobricks is about. This is a Lego forum, not a Decoo or other fake Lego companies forum so give over with your point that you can freely say this thread is about Decoo toys, it may well be but you shouldn't be supporting them.

[TheRedGuy]

I admit to buying this Decool stuff in my life because I wanted to experience Technic in a cheap price, but I realized I was better off with a 10 dollar real Technic set 2 minutes in the build.

First off, the plastic has this horrible stench (Most notable in the second you open the bags) , 5% percent of this "Set" is missing and the thing falls apart usually instantly after moving it. It is probably one of the biggest mistakes I've made in my life.

To put it short: Don't buy them.

Edited January 1, 2013 by TheRedGuy

[Shu]

So eventually my question. Are these clones sets, parts recognizable?

i thought every piece of genuine lego has "embosed" lego logo and part number? i'm not sure if those fake lego have also managed to do this as i dont own one. but i think this is hard to imitate. i need confirmation though.

[Gene]

i thought every piece of genuine lego has "embosed" lego logo and part number? i'm not sure if those fake lego have also managed to do this as i dont own one. but i think this is hard to imitate. i need confirmation though.

I'm also clueless at times when comes to getting parts in Bricklink. I always go with new pieces but they do look different at times in terms of the "birth marks". (Some deep, some nearly flush). Some even have stretch marks with 0.2-1mm dots. Number code changes but Lego markings are usually sharp and clear.

Here's a few topics I've found:

http://cache.lego.com/r/aboutus/-/media/About%20Us/Media%20Assets%20Library/Brochures/ts.20120110T175802.FairPlayBrochure.pdf

http://www.aim.be/Documents/Misc/lego_aware.pdf

http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=66642

[Erik Leppen]

I thought every piece of genuine lego has "embosed" lego logo

Yes...on the studs. That's a problem for Technic parts, which mostly don't have studs...

A random examination of a few Technic parts results in the following:

A Lego Technic axle 9 has a 3 on one end and nothing on the other.

Another axle 9 has a 4 on one end and nothing on the other.

A 2 x 0.5 liftarm has a C and a "83.1" (too small to read, so could be wrong) on it, and nothing else.

An angle connector #2 has C LEGO Group on it.

A cross block 2 x 2 split has the part number 41678 on it and a copyright symbol, And a 6 and 02 on the other side.

All parts are LEGO (I don't own any clone parts).

So, a lot of genuine LEGO parts do not have the LEGO name or logo on it. Usually larger parts will, I think, but Technic has many small parts.

[shadowhearth]

just one thing lads. Lego plastic is non toxic. I am prety sure a lot of us, when were children used our moth as a part holder. Not the most hygenic thing to do, but at least you knew the plastic was high quality. Now imagine putting something like fake technic set in to your mouth...

i personally thing that you way better off buying a few second hand lego technic sets then going near that fake crap.

[Sato]

Wow, Amazed at how a part of this tread is so similar to an Apple fanboy VS ... face-off on a tech-forum that I completely forgot where I was for a second...

People buy what they want to buy and i'ts okay if you don't agree, But keep it to yourself. Enough forum space has been wasted on endless arguments about Lego VS Imitations, Apple VS Google/Android and many, many more...

In the end if a product is of poor quality people will either return it to the store they bought it from or never buy the brand again, And Lego has NOT lost a sale over it because the buyer wasn't willing to pay Lego prices in the first place. (While Lego might win a sale/customer when the customer returns the Clone brand and pays the premium for a real Lego set.)

[Lipko]

The analogy is quite poor. Cloning Lego in a poor quality is nowhere near having a similar product of some kind.

Some of the "defenders" seem to miss a very important point: used parts. Not everybody is only building sets. It's easy to avoid the crap if you build sets: you don't buy the crap. But when building MOCs or building very old sets, you will probably need parts. You buy parts, many of them will be used and may contain the crap. And not able to easily differentiate between the sh.t and the real LEGO parts, is at least F*/@#cking annoying. I guess it may be enough to discourage people from buying parts, eventually crushing dreams and jto asdhbfgjfhasfjadasdasd

Every time you buy a Lego clone, a puppy dies.

*jumps out of the window with foaming mouth

Edited January 1, 2013 by Lipko

[legomuppet9]

Lipko, are you sure you don't have anger management problems...?? although I do agree with everything you have just said, cloning is a serious problem, I mainly buy used sets nowadays, as they're cheaper so I can buy more of them, and I do need to be careful about cloned parts, especially when I buy a mixed bag of pieces... luckily I have managed to avoid cloned parts, although I wish the companies who do it will stop, its bad. Lego could take them to court probably...

[TechnicMati]

Wow, Amazed at how a part of this tread is so similar to an Apple fanboy VS ... face-off on a tech-forum that I completely forgot where I was for a second...

People buy what they want to buy and i'ts okay if you don't agree, But keep it to yourself. Enough forum space has been wasted on endless arguments about Lego VS Imitations, Apple VS Google/Android and many, many more...

In the end if a product is of poor quality people will either return it to the store they bought it from or never buy the brand again, And Lego has NOT lost a sale over it because the buyer wasn't willing to pay Lego prices in the first place. (While Lego might win a sale/customer when the customer returns the Clone brand and pays the premium for a real Lego set.)

As Lipko have said: The analogy is quite poor.

I don't have a problem with anybody buying Lego clones at all. If anybody likes to buy clones or bricks of other producers than Lego - no problem for me. What is a serious problem is a lack of difference in appearance between Real Lego Technic and its fake clones. Plus it's illegal to clone, produce, make money out of products that already have its own style and brand. Plus some people are still unaware that such fakes with poor quality even exist. This all makes that all these Lego clones, fakes become a serious problem for Lego second hand market.

For me decoo, bela and other crappy companies may produce its crappy bricks - no problem for me if they do not copy LEGO's ideas, styles, bricks, if they just make their own, unique, crappy bricks that are easily recognized and differed from Lego.

And here I am serious: I think Lego should run a case in court against these companies that produce fake lego. Just because Lego customers, children, fans, Afols as well as Lego itself as a brand and company lose out of this sick situation. Someone should teach these cheaters a lesson.

Edited January 1, 2013 by TechnicMati

[shadowhearth]

Wow, Amazed at how a part of this tread is so similar to an Apple fanboy VS ... face-off on a tech-forum that I completely forgot where I was for a second...

People buy what they want to buy and i'ts okay if you don't agree, But keep it to yourself. Enough forum space has been wasted on endless arguments about Lego VS Imitations, Apple VS Google/Android and many, many more...

In the end if a product is of poor quality people will either return it to the store they bought it from or never buy the brand again, And Lego has NOT lost a sale over it because the buyer wasn't willing to pay Lego prices in the first place. (While Lego might win a sale/customer when the customer returns the Clone brand and pays the premium for a real Lego set.)

Your statement is complete false and you comparing apples to oranges.

Apple vs android is a battle between two legitimate companies, who have their own products, their own software, their own identity. Both companies make very unique from each other devices.

What we have here is apple vs applA. Comparing iPhone vs ePhone. A legitimate product vs a cheap lower quality knock off, which steals the original design, instead of making its own original device.

Your statement would be true if we would compare lego to megablocks. In this case, we are not.

If you are happy to buy cheap knock offs with questionable plastic origin, unknown production methods, then fair play to you. Knowing these are Chinese knocks off I am prety sure an army of underaged children were making these sets in ghetto factories.

It would be all good and nice, if it would not interfere with legitimate lego users. We buy lego parts and we expect to get leg parts. Instead some sneaky people can mix in fake lego and sell it as legitimate parts. We don't want this.

[legomuppet9]

You are absolutely correct shadowhearth... unfortunately the chinese copy everything, from iPad's to BMW's. I personally don't see whats wrong with buying the original product! which in this case, is Lego.

[cgarison]

It is only a matter of time before these cheap Lego Technic knockoffs make their way into American store shelves. This year, I noticed that WalMart had several sets of no name brick building sets that were a rip off of both Lego and MegaBloks sets. Grated, these sets were placed in areas of the toy department or in the store where they were not competing against either name brand product and had very generic packaging with no branding or logos, but it has become a reality that this crap has invaded the American shores in a big way and I expect the problem only to get worse over the next few years.

[tibivi]

I totally agree with you Shadowheart!

Also' we don`t want toys made by children!

Tibivi

[DarkShadow73]

A few days ago I explored interesting boxes in a toy shop near my house (in Hungary), which are obviously clones of the real lego technic. I guess these are illegal. Does anyone seen anything similar? I was trying to google for this company or whatever is produces these toys, but found nothing. If you zoom into the picture, you can clearly recogize the technic parts.

http://www.regiojate..._teherauto.html

Looks exactly like the 8273 Truck from 2007

[Hopey]

Out of interest, what's the source of these? Is it:

a) Simple reverse engineering; they've created their own moulds, either from actual lego parts, LDD models, etc?

b) Actual Lego moulds, which were once legitimately used by TLG outsourcing production, and are now producing unathourised parts?

c) Something I haven't thought of?

[DarkShadow73]

Lipko, are you sure you don't have anger management problems...?? although I do agree with everything you have just said, cloning is a serious problem, I mainly buy used sets nowadays, as they're cheaper so I can buy more of them, and I do need to be careful about cloned parts, especially when I buy a mixed bag of pieces... luckily I have managed to avoid cloned parts, although I wish the companies who do it will stop, its bad. Lego could take them to court probably...

Especially since it is almost a carbon copy of their 8273 set...who knows what others will arise...about the only place to buy Lego here in Michigan, USA, is TRU, haven't seen these, just cheap MegaBloks sets...

Kind of makes me wonder if they go 1 year ahead and started producing sets with PF elements, like say the 8292 Cherry Picker in 2008, what their motors and such would be like? Probably not real good I would expect...IF they aren't sued by Lego for copyrighting an actual set as shown in this thread...