Rick Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 Last night, the investigator had two actions to perform... and the other was successful. Well, that would exclude being blocked as a reason for the investigation failing. So it must be something on Cara's end that makes her unable to be investigated. Cara claims to be an investigator who determines whether someone is the arsonist or not. This might make sense if the arsonist is indeed a neutral character, but it is looking increasingly likely that not only is the arsonist an action that can be passed around, but also that it has always been the scums' primary killing action. Remember Lauren pulling a torch, and Felix's fiery antics?With this information, Cara's claimed action is superfluous. That role would make sense if the arsonist is a neutral character. However, Edgar's claimed role is already an anti-arsonist role. But I agree with you, the arsonist was either always a Demon Legion role or was passed on to the Demon Legion after Felix' death, which means Cara would be no longer looking for the one lone arsonist. This makes her role claim a little suspect. Then we have her claimed targets. It is my understanding that on the first night, Cara chose to target Becka, a figure who has in my view always appeared solidly Town. Would it not have made more sense to investigate the one other person who has claimed an action related to the arsonist - Edgar? The following nights, Cara's choice of targets have always been people who are either confirmed Villagers, or very likely to be townie. My understanding is that on night four, Cara chose to investigate Booker - someone who not only has been confirmed Village, but was himself a victim of the arsonist on the first night. The other targets were Wendell, Gilbert, myself, and last night, Becka again. Needless to say, the results that we have heard were all negative. Hmmm, if I'd be looking for the arsonist, I would be most suspicious of anyone claiming to know of the arsonist on day 1 (before we'd even seen a arson) and I would definitely have investigated Edgar. It is strange that she has not done this at any point... If Cara is scum masquerading as a townie with a 'useful' action, this choice of targets is convenient. Not only is it unlikely to conflict with any information other townies might have, but it also prevents us narrowing down the list of possible scum if Cara were caught. If she is not scum, the choices are at best thoughtlessly random; indeed I understand Cara has been unwilling to listen to advice on whom to target. Hmm, in that light her choice of targets is 'convenient' indeed. Good observation. This is the evidence I have pieced together with others. Perhaps it is not absolutely conclusive, but coupled with the investigator's inability to get a result from Cara, it is in my view highly suspicious. I would much rather follow conclusive evidence, but as half-way trough this day no other evidence has surfaced, I believe we just have to follow this 'lead'. Cara being unable to be investigated at night coupled with her plain odd choices of people to investigate, makes me... Vote: Cara Cow (badboytje88)
Rufus Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 It's worth reinforcing the point that Cara claims to have investigated Booker - a confirmed Townie who had himself been a victim of the arsonist - on night 4, the night Felix was lynched. That is, before we knew that the arsonist action could be passed on. This is perhaps the most suspicious point of her claims.
Fugazi Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 I find it intriguing that Cara’s alignment is unreadable. I don’t know if it’s anything like Bristol or Sheldon, but it’s worth looking further into. But in the meantime, let me tell you about a conversation I have been privy to. As was requested of me, I shall keep secret the names of the people involved – most of them anyway. The Shat Chat Kevin Costner : Hey guys, guess who I saw trying to sneak into Cara’s home last night? Lady Gaga! I wonder what she was up to… You know, I’m a Bodyguard, I’m supposed to stop anyone from harming Cara. But hey who knows, maybe I can also spot people trying to investigate, block or watch her? I’m always standing guard at her door, so it would only be natural. William Shatner : Yeah, you shouldn’t jump to conclusions, maybe Gaga is just an investigator. Trent Reznor : The Shat is right, it wouldn’t be wise to compromise Gaga just now. Though you know, it’s funny that we haven’t seen the Arsonist last night. Kevin Coster : Ok guys, this stays between us for now. But I will be keeping an eye on Gaga. <later> Kevin : Hmm guys, have you heard what Cameron claims? Cara has been investigated twice! The Shat : Yup, she’s suspicious that Cara. I hope you won’t get in trouble for protecting her. Kevin : No, you don’t understand! Cara’s been investigated twice, and I never saw the investigator! Not twice anyway. It probably means that I can’t see investigators, and Lady Gaga is really a killer, and I’ve blocked her! And the Arsonist hasn’t killed last night! The Shat : Gaga! Who would have thought she’s such a bitch! Kevin : Could it be that I'm the reason why nobody can read Cara's alignment? Trent : I don't know, it wouldn't make much sense because you didn't block two investigations. Probably not even one. You protect against killers, not just any random action. But this definitely must be shared with everyone. Who will do the talking? So there you have it. Cameron/Gaga, you know very well that your action has been blocked last night while you were trying to target Cara. So it’s quite interesting that she’s the one you should find suspicious today. Care to explain yourself?
Lord Arjay Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 Oh dear. It is very sad that one more of us have died, poor Petey - he did not deserve such a cruel fate. It's terrible that convicting Helen yesterday was a mistake aswell. Now, accusations have already been thrown at Cara and I do find them quite convincing. I don't think the fact she can't be investigated is a good reason against her, as that can happen to people who are on the side of good too. But combined with her apparent night action claim - that I agree seems odd - and her behaviour (such as not giving an opinion yesterday until asked) which has been suspicious to me so far is enough to make me vote. Vote: Cara Cow / Badboytje88 So there you have it. Cameron/Gaga, you know very well that your action has been blocked last night while you were trying to target Cara. So it’s quite interesting that she’s the one you should find suspicious today. Care to explain yourself? Wait, is this "Kevin Costner" a bodyguard for only Cara? If so, then that makes me doubt her apparent claim even more. Why would an investigator (granted, only an investigator for the Arsonist) be given a bodyguard specifically protecting them and be investigation immune? I would like to hear some feedback from Cameron regarding this, however it definitely doesn't make me feel better about Cara.
Fugazi Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 Wait, is this "Kevin Costner" a bodyguard for only Cara? If so, then that makes me doubt her apparent claim even more. Why would an investigator (granted, only an investigator for the Arsonist) be given a bodyguard specifically protecting them and be investigation immune? The fact that Cara is protected every night may have something to do with that immunity. Or not. Anyway, you're focusing on Cara and completely disregarding the suggestion that Cameron tried to kill Cara last night. I thought it would have been at least worth a passing comment?
Lord Arjay Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 The fact that Cara is protected every night may have something to do with that immunity. Or not. Maybe, though even then I'd have trouble believing it to be true. An investigator with a permanent bodyguard? That seems unlikely to me. Anyway, you're focusing on Cara and completely disregarding the suggestion that Cameron tried to kill Cara last night. I thought it would have been at least worth a passing comment? I'm not disregarding it - there's just not much for me to say about it. It's possible, yes. I'd like to hear Cameron's response and then think about whether this means something though, as anything that I might have asked appears to have been covered already in the conversation you quoted.
CorneliusMurdock Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 Maybe Cameron is our new vigilante. Or he could be lying about the investigations really happening. Lying would be risky though assuming the investigator can speak today. If Cara does turn out to be scum, you can bet this bodygaurd will be as well. Add to that the fact that the whole confusion over the investigation results could stem from her being the scum boss. If I understand correctly sometimes their alignment is hard to read. I'll wait for both parties to speak again before I vote unless the the day is about to end first.
Hinckley Posted April 3, 2011 Author Posted April 3, 2011 vote tally Cara Cow (badboytje88): 3 votes (Rufus, Rick, Lord Arjay) 24 hours remain in Day 7.
iamded Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Less than 24 hours. Yeesh! Where is everyone? I understand the suspicion towards Cameron, and it would make my life better if he wasn't around to take the village ladies away from me () but I don't think that's enough reason to vote for him. I agree with Kenda that this permanent body-guard thing seems a little far-fetched, and have come to the decision to vote: Cara Cow (badboytje88).
Scouty Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Less than 24 hours. Yeesh! Where is everyone? I understand the suspicion towards Cameron, and it would make my life better if he wasn't around to take the village ladies away from me () but I don't think that's enough reason to vote for him. I agree with Kenda that this permanent body-guard thing seems a little far-fetched, and have come to the decision to vote: Cara Cow (badboytje88). Well, I'm not so sure the bodyguard thing is so far fetched I'm going to wait for an explanation from Cara, though, before I vote. I'm no sheep.
iamded Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Well, I'm not so sure the bodyguard thing is so far fetched I'm going to wait for an explanation from Cara, though, before I vote. I'm no sheep. But the information you referenced doesn't say anything about being restricted to protecting a single person. It just has different takes on the night action of protecting.
Rick Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 If you read carefully what Cameron says, he never claims Cara was actually investigated twice. Cameron said that the first time the investigator might well have been blocked. Only the second time the investigator was apparently not blocked. Well, I'm not so sure the bodyguard thing is so far fetched That's not the same as a 'personal' bodyguard and simply refers to a general protector variation. And I find it very hard to believe someone in this town claiming to be searching for the arsonist has her own personal bodyguard assigned throughout this. Her claim already is extremely hard to believe, but this on top of that makes it simply sound like a load of demon crap. I read over it before, but the fact that Cara claims she targeted Booker before we all knew the arsonist action would pass on is simply ridiculous. We were all under the assumption that the arsonist was a neutral back then, yet Cara investigates whether Booker burned his own house down some nights ago. This is an even stronger lead than her not investigating the claimed firefighter on night 1 and really makes me think that Cara is not who she claims to be and we're definitely onto something here.
Rufus Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Gilbert, you have clearly been talking to scum, whether or not you know it. Remember the 'one shot' investigation orb, which was used to clear Lazlo? I had acquired one of those, and attempted to use it to investigate Cara last night. The fact that I was seen doing that is further confirmation that I was not blocked, but that the orb was unable to get a reading on Cara. The previous investigation attempt may well have failed because that investigator was blocked, which might explain why they weren't seen. If Cara does indeed have a personal bodyguard, then I'm now even more convinced we are doing the right thing in convincting Cara. I remember reading about a Werewolf who had a personal bodyguard, and look what trouble that bodyguard caused. People, we need to lynch Cara. She is very likely to have an important scum role, and lynching her is the only way to find out, since we can't investigate her. Then, if she is found to be scum, the identity of this 'bodyguard' must be made public.
WhiteFang Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Since we don't have much time and after seeing so many relevant evidence of Cara, I shall also follow suit, in the hope of finding the truth... It's painful but we got not much of a choice.. Vote: Cara Cow / Badboytje88
Fugazi Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 I agree with Kenda that this permanent body-guard thing seems a little far-fetched, and have come to the decision to vote: Cara Cow (badboytje88). The way Kevin Costner explained it, he has fallen in love with Cara so he's restricted to protecting only her. I'm going to wait for an explanation from Cara, though, before I vote. I'm no sheep. Yes, it is quite inconvenient that she is not around to explain herself. I read over it before, but the fact that Cara claims she targeted Booker before we all knew the arsonist action would pass on is simply ridiculous. We were all under the assumption that the arsonist was a neutral back then, yet Cara investigates whether Booker burned his own house down some nights ago. This is an even stronger lead than her not investigating the claimed firefighter on night 1 and really makes me think that Cara is not who she claims to be and we're definitely onto something here. There are two things here. The Bodyguard can't vouch for Cara's innocence, and he's not aware of her actions if she has any. What he's trying to understand is why Cameron targeted Cara last night so that he was compelled to protect her. Remember the 'one shot' investigation orb, which was used to clear Lazlo? I had acquired one of those, and attempted to use it to investigate Cara last night. The fact that I was seen doing that is further confirmation that I was not blocked, but that the orb was unable to get a reading on Cara. The previous investigation attempt may well have failed because that investigator was blocked, which might explain why they weren't seen. If Cara does indeed have a personal bodyguard, then I'm now even more convinced we are doing the right thing in convincting Cara. I remember reading about a Werewolf who had a personal bodyguard, and look what trouble that bodyguard caused. People, we need to lynch Cara. She is very likely to have an important scum role, and lynching her is the only way to find out, since we can't investigate her. Then, if she is found to be scum, the identity of this 'bodyguard' must be made public. Another investigation orb? That makes two already. I agree that the first investigation could have been blocked, although I doubt that the Bodyguard could even see investigators doing their thing, or successfully protect Cara from a mere investigation. Especially if the investigation wouldn't reveal her alignment anyway. I'm a bit concerned about why the Cameron is changing his statement here. First the same investigator targets Cara twice, now there's an investigator and Cameron with his orb. However there is a way this would all make sense... I will have a private word with Cameron and try to unearth the truth.
Ricecracker Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 We're running out of time, and I'm really not sure who to trust. Since it seems as though only Cara will be convicted today, I too will Vote: Cara Cow (Badboytje88). If she turns up innocent, then we can go after Cameron tomorrow.
Professor Flitwick Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Sorry I've been away everyone; this frightful business made me come down with a migraine. Gilbert and Cameron both raise good arguments, and I'm not entirely comfortable voting for a woman who isn't even around to defend herself. Until Cara comes back I'm not voting either way.
Fugazi Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 We're running out of time, and I'm really not sure who to trust. Since it seems as though only Cara will be convicted today, I too will Vote: Cara Cow (Badboytje88). If she turns up innocent, then we can go after Cameron tomorrow. I'm afraid that if Cara can't be investigated, she may turn up 'unknown' if she is lynched. Or the janitor could hide her body to confuse us. Before I vote, I will wait for an aswer from Cameron, as well as Cara explaining her target choices.
Scouty Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 That's not the same as a 'personal' bodyguard and simply refers to a general protector variation. Well excuuuuuse me if I'm trying to do something contrary to you guys. I mean, you were the ones who made us vote Helen out
Rufus Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Well excuuuuuse me if I'm trying to do something contrary to you guys. I mean, you were the ones who made us vote Helen out Nobody made you do anything. We presented the information we had, and the uncertainty that came with it. It was you, Bruno, who pointed out that Helen was missing in one of the pictures, and you seemed to have no doubt of Helen's guilt when you spoke to me privately yesterday.
Scouty Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Nobody made you do anything. We presented the information we had, and the uncertainty that came with it. It was you, Bruno, who pointed out that Helen was missing in one of the pictures, and you seemed to have no doubt of Helen's guilt when you spoke to me privately yesterday. "Made" was a poor choice of word, and yes, I did point out that Helen was missing. Was I supposed to not point it out? And I said I was uncertain about Helen's guilt, until Booker laid out the info and it was you who came to me after I pointed out Helen's lateness. Sorry, I'm being cautious, even if it's making me a bit rash. Here's what I'll do: If Cara does not arrive before the day ends, I will cast my vote based off of your information and a lack of explanation from Cara. If she does come, then I will consider both accounts and make my decision. Sounds rational, right? Gilbert also provides some information which is enough for me to not vote yet.
badboytje88 Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 A few nights ago the investigator targeted Cara. She had made an unusual night action claim, which had raised suspicions, and her choice of targets was odd. The investigator's action was unsuccessful, and they assumed they had been blocked. However, last night the investigator tried again, and got the same result, that their night action was unsuccessful - but this time the investigator was definitely not blocked. This suggests that Cara is somehow immune to night investigations; perhaps she has a role akin to a Ninja. Whatever the reason, it seems likely she's up to no good, and if we cannot investigate her, we have no choice but to find out what she's up to in public. I am aware that Cara is not currently here to defend herself, but we have to make progress, and this is the strongest lead we have. So until we can learn anything more, I will vote: Cara Cow (badboytje) Wow That's just classy! Starting a bandwagon against someone who can't even defend herself. I've been investigating people every night. I'm on the lookout for the arsonist. All I can do is investigate. All God tells me if I found him or not. Felix was telling the truth about being the arsonist. I received a mail from God that the arsonist ability has been passed on to a random player. So I didn't know if the player was scum, loyal or neutral. Plus I am not a member of the inner circle and I don't know for sure if the people who are a member of the inner circle are trustworthy and loyal to the town, so I just investigated them. Don't blame me for not including me into your little group of people. I am protected every night from certain night actions because apparently my night action is very important. That's my explanation, take it or leave it. If I don't get voted out today, I'll most likely be attacked by the arsonist tonight... Thanks a lot!
Inconspicuous Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 I remember reading about a Werewolf who had a personal bodyguard, and look what trouble that bodyguard caused. I remember that story quite well. I received a mail from God that the arsonist ability has been passed on to a random player. So I didn't know if the player was scum, loyal or neutral. So you're saying that a townie could have become the arsonist? I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that. With all the strong evidence against Cara and a weak defense from her, I will vote: Cara Cow (Badboytje88).
badboytje88 Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 So you're saying that a townie could have become the arsonist? I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that. Ok, go ahead, don't believe me. Fenix wasn't Demon Legion before he got converted. When he died his arsonist powers was given out randomly. So this could mean that either scum got them, loyal townies got them (highly unlikely) or one of the masons got them. Welcome third faction!
Rufus Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Wow That's just classy! Starting a bandwagon against someone who can't even defend herself. I agree that was not ideal. I'd much rather you had been here earlier; however, I had information that implicated you and it had to be shared in time to get a vote going. I've been investigating people every night. I'm on the lookout for the arsonist. All I can do is investigate. All God tells me if I found him or not. Felix was telling the truth about being the arsonist. I received a mail from God that the arsonist ability has been passed on to a random player. So I didn't know if the player was scum, loyal or neutral. I highly doubt that God would pass the arson action on to a random player, and the arson action has clearly always been used to the detriment of the Village. It looks to have been always the scums' main weapon. Plus I am not a member of the inner circle and I don't know for sure if the people who are a member of the inner circle are trustworthy and loyal to the town, so I just investigated them. Don't blame me for not including me into your little group of people. So you chose to investigate the people who appear the most town? Including one who has been publicly confirmed Village, and had had his own house burned down? Some use you'd have been if you were telling the truth. I am protected every night from certain night actions because apparently my night action is very important. Protected... against investigation? What purpose would that serve if you're working for the Village's good? I am not convinced by your defence. And I do not understand how you could be so sure of this... Fenix wasn't Demon Legion before he got converted. ... unless you know who the demons are.
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