Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Season 4 Discussion

[commdr_neyo]

Just saw "Prisoners", which quite honestly, seems a lot like another 'talk, talk, talk, little-fight-that-baddies-lose-with-bad-fighting-action' episode. Maybe it's just because they're underwater, but none of the fighting in the whole story arc impressed me, and I've had enough of the shark-headed race. They don't look Star Warsy at all. Same for the eels. And the jellyfish.

And when right after that, Padme claims she can't see out of a helmet that's less than half covered in the stuff, which is transparent and isn't at eye level or directly in the middle of her field of view. And it's on the lower half of the helmet, while the droids are above her.

Oh, and 'Mon Cala' still annoys me.

I totaly agree. I was hoping for the episodes to be as good as the trailers we saw, but these were just too predictable.

We've seen those torturing scenes over and over, and with the story sortof being used before, there was not much originality.

I do hope this changes now that we've had the underwater episodes..

[Brickadeer]

I didn't like the episode very much. Sneaking into a prison simply isn't reasonable, even measured by TCW standards (not to mention the "invincible cyborg" issue or the question how the Quarren made it to arm the Mon Calamari and the clones unnoticed at the end of the episode).

The arc illustrates very well that the war is tight (no clone reinforcements) and that the dark side successfully uses opportunities to bind republic forces by making sinister conspiracies. It illustrates as well that the dark side adopts so to say a "short run" strategy: it exploits a potential opportunity to bind republic forces. In the long run, however, they created a crisis, an emergency situation that allowed the rise of Admiral Ackbar and (probably more unfamous) Prince Whatever-his-name-was as important leaders of the rebel forces.

Edited September 25, 2011 by Brickadeer

[Mr Man]

If the stupid Prince Whatsit wants the Quarrens to help him than why does he keep referring to Dac as Mon Cala, surely that would just piss the Quarren off more .

[Darth Nihilus]

Just watched the first three episodes on Youtube, must say that this was the worst arc yet, didn't come close to the Mandalore arc like I thought it would. How could they completely ruin a storyline with so much potential for awesome fight scenes? Jar-Jar was way too smart, and why couldn't they kill him? The oppurtunity was...alas...wasted. I would have changed my opinion about these episodes if they had gotten rid of Jar-Jar once and for all.

Edited September 25, 2011 by darthnihilius

[CMP]

Jar-Jar was way too smart, and why couldn't they kill him? The oppurtunity was...alas...wasted. I would have changed my opinion about these episodes if they had gotten rid of Jar-Jar once and for all.

But that would ruin canon!

[Brickdoctor]

But that would ruin canon!

In that instance, I would say "Hurray, retcons!"

Which reminds me, wasn't Boss Nass in Sith? But replaced by some other Gungan in this arc?

[commanderneyo]

Which reminds me, wasn't Boss Nass in Sith? But replaced by some other Gungan in this arc?

You are correct. The reason for this being Jar-Jar will replace that boss momentarily in "Shadow Warrior" and the TCW crew didn't want to have to make a massive design change, so we got that new boss as he looks a lot like Jar-Jar...

[The Penguin]

Which reminds me, wasn't Boss Nass in Sith? But replaced by some other Gungan in this arc?

Actually he was.

I'm about to purchase a custom one, so I specifically studied his biography top see if he were still present duriong Clone Wars.

Well, the new Gungan leader could've easilly be replaced by Tarpals at least. Oh well!

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

[Brickadeer]

But that would ruin canon!

Not necessarily. Lucas could have him edited away in ep 3 as a contribution to the blue ray edition of Star Wars.

[The Penguin]

Not necessarily. Lucas could have him edited away in ep 3 as a contribution to the blue ray edition of Star Wars.

Nah, it's nothing like good ol' Lucas!

He'd rather edit him in ep 4-5-6! I wonder if it was him Vader saw peeking from the reactor shaft, then shouted NOOOOOO- and threw the Emperor at him!

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

[Artanis I]

I wonder if it was him Vader saw peeking from the reactor shaft, then shouted NOOOOOO- and threw the Emperor at him!

[Brickadeer]

Nah, it's nothing like good ol' Lucas!

He'd rather edit him in ep 4-5-6! I wonder if it was him Vader saw peeking from the reactor shaft, then shouted NOOOOOO- and threw the Emperor at him!

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

That's not a bad idea. Now that I think about it, Wicket could be easily replaced by Jar Jar (e. g. Wicket on the speeder bike).

[Brickdoctor]

He'd rather edit him in ep 4-5-6! I wonder if it was him Vader saw peeking from the reactor shaft, then shouted NOOOOOO- and threw the Emperor at him!

That's not a bad idea. Now that I think about it, Wicket could be easily replaced by Jar Jar (e. g. Wicket on the speeder bike).

Nah. Ewoks may be considered by some the worst prominent characters of the OT, but they're better than Gungans.

[commanderneyo]

New clip of "Shadow Warrior": Featuring Jar-Jar Binks talking to Grievous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLdIFDWOyFY

[Fives]

New clip of "Shadow Warrior": Featuring Jar-Jar Binks talking to Grievous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLdIFDWOyFY

That clip just made Jar Jar look like a complete idiot. If he beats Grievous, it will be out of sheer dumb luck, like in episode 1 and the whole dumping the big boomas thing.

[Brickadeer]

New clip of "Shadow Warrior": Featuring Jar-Jar Binks talking to Grievous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLdIFDWOyFY

Thanks. I would have liked to see happening something unexpected, like, dunno, Jar Jar's head exploding or so.

Edited September 26, 2011 by Brickadeer

[TheBoyWonder]

I am going to get a flaming but two of my 5 favourite species/characters are Jar Jar and Ewoks.

[Brickdoctor]

I am going to get a flaming but two of my 5 favourite species/characters are Jar Jar and Ewoks.

Nah, it's fine if you like them. On EB, we don't flame, we discuss.

Right, fellow OT fans?

[Tanma]

I am going to get a flaming but two of my 5 favourite species/characters are Jar Jar and Ewoks.

I actually like Ewoks, for a number of reasons. One, originally Wookiees were going to be used for Endor, but they realized that Chewbacca's tech level meant his race shouldn't be tribal and unaware of the galaxy scene. That is where Ewoks comes from, switch the syllables and you get Wookiee. Would anyone prefer Chewbacca's race doing all those scenes as was first planned?

Two, the Ewoks are cute, but they are played kind of realistically. How would tribal humans react to a solid gold alien who knows your tongue? Odds are there would be worship going on, especially since the Ewoks' pantheon included a Golden One. If not for C3P0, the heroes would have been killed. The Ewoks are not a kind race, they are at the bottom of the food chain and they can't really afford to be kind to strangers. Wicket is an outlier, but there are oddballs in every race, like Wookiees with force abilities. And with all the massive beasts on Endor, it plausible that the Ewoks would already have traps able to harm imperial walkers. Remember that the Ewoks were used to dodging predators on their world, which helped them in ambushing and raiding the imperials.

Of course, this view relies on ignoring that Ewok show(don't look it up).

[Peanuts]

Nah, it's fine if you like them. On EB, we don't flame, we discuss.

Right, fellow OT fans?

If you say so. Can we go on stoning him now?

No, honestly, it's okay to like different things. I myself enjoyed the Mandalore episodes (excluding "voyage of doom") a lot, although they are completely different from the Karen Traviss ones, which I also appreciate very much, otherwise from many SW Fans, which don't like the way they're shown in TCW. I'm still glad they go on with the Death Watch, I'm positively curious how they bring them together with Ahsoka's boyfriend.

But I didn't like the Mon Calamari episodes at all. There are several things which just don't make sence, such as the whole background story. I mean, there would have been several solutions to the Quarrens' problem without starting a war, like becoming independent and crowning their own king, or establishing a council of both Quarren and Mon Calamari which gives the unepxperienced king advise, or even abolishing monarchy and establishing a democracy (to be honest, I would have started a revolution just because the king uses the term "Mon Cala" ), but no, the whole planet has to be united by one king, so let's start a war about nothing.

And of course, the aforesaid king can enter and leave the enemy's slave camps and prisons without anyone noticing.

And of course, the Seps use giant monster droids against which blasters have no effect, but which are awfully weak against gungan attacks from above, etc.

I wonder how they managed to include so many flaws without showing giant shrimp cannons and floating acclamators. (hint: I'm talking about the CW series)

Anyway, I'm sure the next episode gets better. Wait, no, it's the show in which Jar jar beats Grievous, who is my favourite PT villain.

[Fallenangel]

Nah, it's fine if you like them. On EB, we don't flame, we discuss.

Right, fellow OT fans?

If someone wants to go against the consensus, I say go ahead. What are forums for if not discussions?

Granted, the way the heretic in question defends his position will determine whether or not he is simply trolling.

Two, the Ewoks are cute, but they are played kind of realistically. How would tribal humans react to a solid gold alien who knows your tongue? Odds are there would be worship going on, especially since the Ewoks' pantheon included a Golden One. If not for C3P0, the heroes would have been killed. The Ewoks are not a kind race, they are at the bottom of the food chain and they can't really afford to be kind to strangers. Wicket is an outlier, but there are oddballs in every race, like Wookiees with force abilities. And with all the massive beasts on Endor, it plausible that the Ewoks would already have traps able to harm imperial walkers. Remember that the Ewoks were used to dodging predators on their world, which helped them in ambushing and raiding the imperials.

Of course, this view relies on ignoring that Ewok show(don't look it up).

Out of curiosity, where are you getting this? (The original source or sources, not Wookieepedia). I don't remember any of this being implied in the film...

I'm not so sure whether you could argue that the Ewoks' being realistic is an appeal factor, though. If that were true, the fact that most sentient alien species in Star Wars (from the movies or otherwise) are bipedal humanoids would be a major turn-off.

[Tanma]

If someone wants to go against the consensus, I say go ahead. What are forums for if not discussions?

Granted, the way the heretic in question defends his position will determine whether or not he is simply trolling.

Out of curiosity, where are you getting this? (The original source or sources, not Wookieepedia). I don't remember any of this being implied in the film...

I'm not so sure whether you could argue that the Ewoks' being realistic is an appeal factor, though. If that were true, the fact that most sentient alien species in Star Wars (from the movies or otherwise) are bipedal humanoids would be a major turn-off.

Partly from a mixture of Wookieepdeia and a book on Starwars wildlife. Not sure about Wicket though, but he was the only one to ally with a rebel without divine interference. Although I haven't seen the movie in a while.

I am referring to their society being possible and realistic, not their designs or their planet. I just assumed that there was some sort of ancient race who spread life from galaxy to galaxy in a n experiment to see what life emerged. That is how I rational humans in another galaxy in the past; they were abducted. And the reason most races look alike is because their ancestors were synthesized from human and other genetics. Note that I have no proof what so ever of this(except that the Wookies believe that they are immigrants to their home world), it's just my way of explaining it.

[Fallenangel]

Partly from a mixture of Wookieepdeia and a book on Starwars wildlife. Not sure about Wicket though, but he was the only one to ally with a rebel without divine interference. Although I haven't seen the movie in a while.

I am referring to their society being possible and realistic, not their designs or their planet. I just assumed that there was some sort of ancient race who spread life from galaxy to galaxy in a n experiment to see what life emerged. That is how I rational humans in another galaxy in the past; they were abducted. And the reason most races look alike is because their ancestors were synthesized from human and other genetics. Note that I have no proof what so ever of this(except that the Wookies believe that they are immigrants to their home world), it's just my way of explaining it.

Was it this book, by any chance? If so, I must say it was a rather fun read. Finding out that the male sarlacc degenerates into the female in the fashion of the anglerfish was neat.

I believe Wicket allied himself with a rebel since he was offered food, which I suppose is as divine an influence as an Ewok could experience.

That's an interesting rationalization, as if one were combining the aliens of Clarke's 2001 series with the Star Wars universe. I can see the black monoliths now...

[Tanma]

Was it this book, by any chance? If so, I must say it was a rather fun read. Finding out that the male sarlacc degenerates into the female in the fashion of the anglerfish was neat.

I believe Wicket allied himself with a rebel since he was offered food, which I suppose is as divine an influence as an Ewok could experience.

That's an interesting rationalization, as if one were combining the aliens of Clarke's 2001 series with the Star Wars universe. I can see the black monoliths now...

Yes, although I might have gotten some information from another book-a list of the galaxy's sapient races. I think it was the new addition though, or the ultimate edition or something.

According to Wookieepedia(great pun), the food was only part of the reason. The other reason was that Imperials put a gun on her, so he realized that she was an enemy to the invaders. Be warned if you look at Wickets page, much of it is from that show that must not be named.

Thanks, the only worry I have is that I forget when Wookiees are first recorded to have been on Kashyyyk. I think that one book I read said that the Wookiees first took to the trees two million years before Star Wars begins, which means that the humans in Star Wars might actually be a different species than modern humans, maybe descended from Homo habilis or so other ancient man. That or the current humans of Starwars were abducted more recently.

[Brickadeer]

Personally, I do not necessarily dislike the Ewoks. I dislike the kind of humour that was introduced with certain combat scenes in which Ewoks were involved.