Fallenangel Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I have a feeling that this whole Umbarra arc is going to be about clones, with Krell screwing up stuff every once in a while. I really think this arc will be the best of series. As much as I think Krell's attitude toward the clones (and his generally annoyed demeanor) was appropriate, I felt the presentation could have been better. Anakin orders his troops succinctly and under the assumption that they will comply; Krell, on the other hand, comes across as kind of a bully. In my opinion, he would have been more convincing of a character if he spent less time verbally establishing his superiority over "see-see seventy-five sixty-seven". Rex and Fives were great in this episode, though. Quote
Clone OPatra Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I quite liked the episode, and especially the characterization of Krell. He reminded me of the Jedi that we see in Old Republic era novels. Really, the Jedi are on the whole rather boring in the Clone Wars. Some have a little bit of anger, but mostly they are all the same. The Jedi in Old Republic and Sith era books are much more interesting because they actually have emotions and different personalities, though they are still Jedi. Quote
Darth Nihilus Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I have a feeling that this whole Umbarra arc is going to be about clones, with Krell screwing up stuff every once in a while. I really think this arc will be the best of series. That's what I was thinking as well, but after this we have to endure 3 episodes of Anakin beating up slavers on some planet. Quote
Mr Man Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 The way Krell treats, speaks, and uses Clones is not just rude but also dangerous and wasteful, clones may be seen by the Republic as disposable human droids, but their not. It took the Republic 10 years to grow 19,000 of them, you have to be as careful with the, as if they where real people. Quote
Darth Nihilus Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 The way Krell treats, speaks, and uses Clones is not just rude but also dangerous and wasteful, clones may be seen by the Republic as disposable human droids, but their not. It took the Republic 10 years to grow 19,000 of them, you have to be as careful with the, as if they where real people. Don't forget, more and more clones are being pumped out of Kamino every day. I do agree though, the 501st is one of the best resources the Republic has. Krell is treating them like droids, and acting like they have no initiative. He obviously hasn't seen battle a lot, and seems to me more like someone who is used to sitting in their easy chair and commanding everyone out in the room. He thinks that he is better than Anakin, and pushes away all of Anakin's recommendations after Anakin is gone. He puts up a facade around himself as a nice character around other Jedi, but around clones his true personality surfaces. I can only feel sorry for the clones that are under his command all of the time. Quote
commanderneyo Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 That's what I was thinking as well, but after this we have to endure 3 episodes of Anakin beating up slavers on some planet. Incorrect. "Kidnapped" is going to be the Lux & Ahsoka episode. The two after that "Slaves of the Republic" and "Escape from Kadavo" are the Slavers arc. Quote
Darth Nihilus Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Incorrect. "Kidnapped" is going to be the Lux & Ahsoka episode. The two after that "Slaves of the Republic" and "Escape from Kadavo" are the Slavers arc. Okay, we have to endure Ahsoka's love life and two episodes of Anakin beating up slavers on some random planet. Even worse. Quote
commanderneyo Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Don't forget, more and more clones are being pumped out of Kamino every day. I do agree though, the 501st is one of the best resources the Republic has. Krell is treating them like droids, and acting like they have no initiative. He obviously hasn't seen battle a lot, and seems to me more like someone who is used to sitting in their easy chair and commanding everyone out in the room. He thinks that he is better than Anakin, and pushes away all of Anakin's recommendations after Anakin is gone. He puts up a facade around himself as a nice character around other Jedi, but around clones his true personality surfaces. I can only feel sorry for the clones that are under his command all of the time. Krell has seen battle a lot. And his records state he has won every battle he has particapated in. What it also mentions, he has the highest clone-casualty rate, which is why we see he cares so little for the 501st... Okay, we have to endure Ahsoka's love life and two episodes of Anakin beating up slavers on some random planet. Even worse. Don't forget though. Death Watch will be in that episode, so that should at least make it better. I'm interested to see what this episode will do, seen as it's just one episode. Quote
Darth Nihilus Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) Krell has seen battle a lot. And his records state he has won every battle he has particapated in. What it also mentions, he has the highest clone-casualty rate, which is why we see he cares so little for the 501st... So he cares nothing for clones. As if we didn't know that before. Don't forget though. Death Watch will be in that episode, so that should at least make it better. I'm interested to see what this episode will do, seen as it's just one episode. So Ahsoka and Lux get captured by the Death watch, put in a dungeon, and realize they love each other. Then R2 gets in with Ahsoka's lightsabers and they escape. Whoop-de-doo. Edited October 31, 2011 by darthnihilius Quote
Brickdoctor Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 So Ahsoka and Lux get captured by the Death watch, put in a dungeon, and realize they love each other. Then R2 gets in with Ahsoka's lightsabers and they escape. Whoop-de-doo. And on top of that, this is the return of the faction that completely and utterly ruined the entire Clone Wars-era Mandalorian storyline. Quote
Darth Nihilus Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) And on top of that, this is the return of the faction that completely and utterly ruined the entire Clone Wars-era Mandalorian storyline. Yep. With a new leader. Thanks a lot, Lucas. Edited October 31, 2011 by darthnihilius Quote
Fives Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Don't forget, more and more clones are being pumped out of Kamino every day. I do agree though, the 501st is one of the best resources the Republic has. Krell is treating them like droids, and acting like they have no initiative. He obviously hasn't seen battle a lot, and seems to me more like someone who is used to sitting in their easy chair and commanding everyone out in the room. He thinks that he is better than Anakin, and pushes away all of Anakin's recommendations after Anakin is gone. He puts up a facade around himself as a nice character around other Jedi, but around clones his true personality surfaces. I can only feel sorry for the clones that are under his command all of the time. You are wrong when you say that he has not seen much of battle. His record for victory is one of the highest, but his casualty rate is also the highest. He is arrogant. Also, he has never worked with the 501st before, and that is why he doesn't understand their value as a fighting force. I believe that over the course of this arc, he will see that his ways are not always right. Quote
Mikeosaurus Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) And on top of that, this is the return of the faction that completely and utterly ruined the entire Clone Wars-era Mandalorian storyline. Ouch. In my mind, the "re-imagining" of Mandalore is the gravest sin of this series. Edited October 31, 2011 by Mikeosaurus Quote
Brickdoctor Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Ouch. In my mind, the "re-imagining" of Mandalore is the gravest sin of this series. Nah, I think it closely trails Mortis. Quote
commanderneyo Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 So Ahsoka and Lux get captured by the Death watch, put in a dungeon, and realize they love each other. Then R2 gets in with Ahsoka's lightsabers and they escape. Whoop-de-doo. Well, no. Lux is on the Death Watch side, as he is using them as protection against Count Dooku. This is interesting because we will see whether Lux will risk his safety by betraying Death Watch, and freeing Ahsoka, or something else. And by the way, R2-D2 is captured as well, so he can't rescue Ahsoka. Quote
Jedi master Brick Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Well, no. Lux is on the Death Watch side, as he is using them as protection against Count Dooku. This is interesting because we will see whether Lux will risk his safety by betraying Death Watch, and freeing Ahsoka, or something else. And by the way, R2-D2 is captured as well, so he can't rescue Ahsoka. Either way still crap Quote
CMP Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Ouch. In my mind, the "re-imagining" of Mandalore is the gravest sin of this series. In my mind, it's establishing Jabba the Hutt as a loving father. Quote
Fives Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I feel like they shouldn't bring Lux back. He wasn't interesting enough in season three, so who cares what he does now. We all know that if R2 is captured, then the good guys will be fine. But, I am excited to see who will be the leader of the Death Watch. Does anyone know whether Viszla died? I can't remember. Quote
Jedi master Brick Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 So the clone wars' greatest sins 1. Mortis (Plain bad) 2.Mandos (Not just the fact it's bad but it's mucking up some epic planet 3. daddy Jabba ( Jabba kind ) 4. Senate hall episodes ( how many times does someone try to kill Padme, and fail ) Quote
Brickdoctor Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 4. Senate hall episodes ( how many times does someone try to kill Padme, and fail ) Someone should keep a running score of how many times someone tries to kill Padme versus how many times someone captures R2. Quote
commanderneyo Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I feel like they shouldn't bring Lux back. He wasn't interesting enough in season three, so who cares what he does now. We all know that if R2 is captured, then the good guys will be fine. But, I am excited to see who will be the leader of the Death Watch. Does anyone know whether Viszla died? I can't remember. Vizsla is alive, and will be in this episode. And I disagree on Lux, while I didn't like the portrayal of the actual character, it opened up many possible stories for Lux (one of the reasons I'm writing two fan-made arc's on him.) Quote
Jedi master Brick Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Someone should keep a running score of how many times someone tries to kill Padme versus how many times someone captures R2. We could but that would involve going back and watching 3 series and that is not an option Quote
Mikeosaurus Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 After hearing everybody talk about this "Mortis" arc like it was the worst thing since the black plague, I decided to find the episodes online and see whether they were as bad as they are made up to be. My distinct impressions in order: Yowza, that story was... crazy. I'm going to pretend that never happened. Quote
Fives Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Vizsla is alive, and will be in this episode. And I disagree on Lux, while I didn't like the portrayal of the actual character, it opened up many possible stories for Lux (one of the reasons I'm writing two fan-made arc's on him.) I've considered writing my own fan made stories. I've actually had an idea based on Savage Oppress, if he had continued being Dooku's apprentice. Maybe we should start a separate topic for fan made Star Wars stories. Quote
Nightshroud99 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 4. Senate hall episodes ( how many times does someone try to kill Padme, and fail ) In my opinion these episodes suck the most because we know that Padme can't die!! Quote
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