Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Season 4 Discussion

[Darth Nihilus]

Oh, is it my job to give you lot everything?

"You seem to always volunteer...."

Couldn't resist using that quote from Darkness on Umbara.

Nice previews.

Which clone was it that you thought was going to die? I didn't see anything in the clip to suggest that.

Edited November 3, 2011 by darthnihilius

[commdr_neyo]

Which clone was it that you thought was going to die? I didn't see anything in the clip to suggest that.

Nothing suggests that directly, indeed.

But I have my doubts everyone will make it through the next episodes, probably not Rex, maybe Fives, but my guess is Dogma or Hardcase.

[commanderneyo]

Nothing suggests that directly, indeed.

But I have my doubts everyone will make it through the next episodes, probably not Rex, maybe Fives, but my guess is Dogma or Hardcase.

Rex is gonna be in the "Slavers" arc a few episodes after the conclusion to Umbara, so he will survive. Any of the other named 501st could die, and perhaps all will. As well as Krell, Fives could also be used as a climax death to the arc. If Hardcase dies, he will probably die Hevy-style, sacrificing himself for his men. As for who I consider first, I'd say Kix.

The reason for Kix is, if there is one way to make a mission harder than it already is, it's by losing you're only medic, and then treatment of the wounded or injured won't be as effective, plus the remaining standing would be living with the fear of being attacked/wounded with no treatment available...

[DarthSion]

I really think before this arc ends domino squad will fall, I just can't see 5s living through this.

As for Rex I could see him dying too, lets face it its not like there is continuity in this show.

Anyone know who krell is that voice sounds familiar.

I hope we get some arc lego mini-figures.

[Darth Nihilus]

I really think before this arc ends domino squad will fall, I just can't see 5s living through this.

As for Rex I could see him dying too, lets face it its not like there is continuity in this show.

Anyone know who krell is that voice sounds familiar.

I hope we get some arc lego mini-figures.

I hope Domino Squad isn't done in this episode, they were really popular and Echo and Fives were just so awesome. Besides, they never showed a body when Echo "died", so I think that they might seriously be considering bringing him back. Then again, I could be wrong.

[commanderneyo]

I hope Domino Squad isn't done in this episode, they were really popular and Echo and Fives were just so awesome. Besides, they never showed a body when Echo "died", so I think that they might seriously be considering bringing him back. Then again, I could be wrong.

Not this episode, but Fives will most likely be dead by the end of the arc. As for Echo he is dead, confirmed by the StarWars.com episode guide for the episode.

@DarthSion Rex will most likely die, but not for a while, we know he will survive Umbara anyway, as in trailers he is shown to be in a different arc.

As for Krell's voice actor, it's new voice actor to the show, who is called "Dave Fennoy", and Krell is his first character on TCW.

EDIT: Couple of short guides here for the two episodes after tonight's one. "Plan of Dissent" and "Carnage of Krell"

Plan of Dissest: "The clones disobey orders and plan to take out a supply ship."

Carnage of Krell: "Rex stands up for his men, who face execution for disobeying Pong Krell."

Source: http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/star-wars-the-clone-wars-2011/episode-9-season-4/carnage-of-krell/294948

Edited November 4, 2011 by commanderneyo

[KisKatona]

Holy crap! I hate Krell even more!My original thoughts in order of him were . And Appo seems like a suck-up for a promotion from Sergeant to Commander...I'm forseeing him taking over the 501st after Rex's fate...which I hope doesn't come for a while. I like how Rex ignored Krell and he got pissed, and Fives and Hardcase are a good duo. I hope Hardcase doesn't die in the arc, or Echo or Kix. Jesse, meh. But Krell, he's gotta die.

[Fives]

I just saw this new episode, and I'm just blown away but the sheer awesomeness this arc has to offer so far. I feel like this is what the Clone Wars is about. The clones! I'm mean, it isn't called the Bounty Hunter Wars!

Krell is a supreme douche. I loved it when Rex clenched his fist after Krell talked to him at the end of the episode. As much as Krell would make a great mini fig, he must be killed.

As for some of the new Umbarran tanks and stuff, I was just blown away. The centipede tank things were so cool! At first I thought they were living creatures, but then I saw the turrets, and I was amazesd. It got me thinking about how one of those things would make a great set. It could have Krell, a new Rex, Fives, and an Umbarran.

[XimenaPaulina]

Holy crap! I hate Krell even more!My original thoughts in order of him were .

But Krell, he's gotta die.

Krell is a supreme douche. I loved it when Rex clenched his fist after Krell talked to him at the end of the episode. As much as Krell would make a great mini fig, he must be killed.

Now I am convinced how the character development team did a good great job creating Krell's character judging by all of the violent reactions elicited against him. Sure he is superdouche, but I like such douche personality that deviates from the other boring jedi. Seriously, do you really expect all jedi to have the same "nurturing Oh I''m gonna take care of all my clones like babies" attitude? UH-UH. Each commanding general has its own leadership style and I'm happy to see one that is as extreme as Krell's presented in the show. And don't forget the harsh reality of war, "the end will always justify the means", so the clones are dispensable casualties, that's simply what they are. So for the Krell-haters, so sorry to bust some of your favorite clone's behinds.

But I agree that I'm enjoying seeing these war episodes. Looking forward for the next two ones.

And another mini rant, the named clones are somehow starting to annoy me. I'd rather have just a few of them named, preferably only the higher ones (Rex, Cody, the other commanders). But seeing even the regular clones being named (Kix, Crap, Piss, Hardcase, Gaspants, etc.) is just too much for me. I've never heard of named Stormies and only a handful of named clones in the movies, but the stories were presented well without such a need for specific naming of background characters. I assume this is the "in-thing" for kids so they could "relate" to their favorite colored highly-decorated clones?

[Brickadeer]

Interesting. I wonder if the rumored LEGO Felucian Fighter will turn out to be a LEGO Umbarian Fighter :)

[Nightshroud99]

But seeing even the regular clones being named (Kix, Crap, Piss, Hardcase, Gaspants, etc.)

Wow the writers are really creative with these names

[commanderneyo]

Interesting. I wonder if the rumored LEGO Felucian Fighter will turn out to be a LEGO Umbarian Fighter :)

That would be cool, but I still believe it will be something to do with the finale of season 3. That said, I want a phase 2 Hardcase mini-figure.

Also, in case you missed my edited post with these, a couple of guides for next week's episode:

Plan of Dissest: "The clones disobey orders and plan to take out a supply ship."

Carnage of Krell: "Rex stands up for his men, who face execution for disobeying Pong Krell."

Those who hate Krell, will most likely hate him more in "Carnage of Krell".

Source: http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/star-wars-the-clone-wars-2011/episode-9-season-4/carnage-of-krell/294948

Edited November 5, 2011 by commanderneyo

[Mikeosaurus]

Wait a minute... Kix? One of the clones is named after a cereal?

[CF Mitch]

Appo seems like a suck-up for a promotion from Sergeant to Commander...I'm forseeing him taking over the 501st after Rex's fate...which I hope doesn't come for a while.

Agreed, when Rex dies (and I also think that won't be for a while) Appo will step up and lead the 501st.

Not sure about the suck-up part, though. I think he's just one of those soldiers that accepts complete loyalty to the Republic, and so far the Republic (a.k.a. Palpatine) 'allows' him to obey a Jedi's (any Jedi's) orders.

I really loved this episode, same as the one before. The action is terrific.

I also loved the part where Hardcase and Fives activated the Umbaran Starfighters, that part cracked me up. They seemed to be realy having fun to, for a moment.

Can't wait for the next, the synopsis of Plan of Dissent sounds awesome. I wonder which troopers will be going rogue.

Regards,

Mitch

[Mr Man]

Agreed, when Rex dies (and I also think that won't be for a while) Appo will step up and lead the 501st.

I think someone like Appo or Fox (the other one ) Should be leading the 501^st now, it seems a bit silly to have a Captain in command of a whole legion and acting as an equal with the likes of Commander Cody or commander Bly.

[CMP]

I think someone like Appo or Fox (the other one ) Should be leading the 501^st now, it seems a bit silly to have a Captain in command of a whole legion and acting as an equal with the likes of Commander Cody or commander Bly.

Well, he's the top ranking Clone. I think Ahsoka's commander...

[The Legonater]

Now I am convinced how the character development team did a good great job creating Krell's character judging by all of the violent reactions elicited against him. Sure he is superdouche, but I like such douche personality that deviates from the other boring jedi. Seriously, do you really expect all jedi to have the same "nurturing Oh I''m gonna take care of all my clones like babies" attitude? UH-UH. Each commanding general has its own leadership style and I'm happy to see one that is as extreme as Krell's presented in the show. And don't forget the harsh reality of war, "the end will always justify the means", so the clones are dispensable casualties, that's simply what they are. So for the Krell-haters, so sorry to bust some of your favorite clone's behinds.

For the record, I tottally agree with Kiel. All the Jeid so far have appeared either reckless (Anakin, Ashoka, Vos) or perfect (everyone else). The fact is, there were all sorts of different Jedi, a lot of them like Krell.

Also, am I the only one who found it incredibly ironic how TCW set up Krell to be this 'amazing charecter' and then made everyone hate him?

[Mr Man]

Well, he's the top ranking Clone. I think Ahsoka's commander...

The Jedi leadership is separate to the military leadership, both Ahsoka and, say Appo are commander in the 501st and Anakin is the commander OF the 501st (General in charge).

[Fives]

Hey, I was,just thinking about why Anakin was called away. Why was he called away again? We aren't given any specifics, just that Palpatine requested him on Coruscant. It seems a little fishy to me. Does anyone else thinkmwe will find out exactly what Palpatine needed Anakin for?

[CMP]

The Jedi leadership is separate to the military leadership, both Ahsoka and, say Appo are commander in the 501st and Anakin is the commander OF the 501st (General in charge).

Not in this Clone Wars, apparently. I'd like another 501st leader...

[Mr Man]

Hey, I was,just thinking about why Anakin was called away. Why was he called away again? We aren't given any specifics, just that Palpatine requested him on Coruscant. It seems a little fishy to me. Does anyone else thinkmwe will find out exactly what Palpatine needed Anakin for?

That reminds me of the end of the Citadel arc I watched yesterday, where Anakin and Tarkin have a chat after Tarkin refuses to give the info to the Jedi, he says something along the lines of

Ani: I happen to know the chancellor very well myself.

Tarkin: Really?

Ani: Yes

It sounded to me like Tarkin knows Palps is a Sith and now thinks that Ani knows as well. We need the Tarkin thread to be tied up properly this series or next.

[DarthSion]

Now I am convinced how the character development team did a good great job creating Krell's character judging by all of the violent reactions elicited against him. Sure he is superdouche, but I like such douche personality that deviates from the other boring jedi. Seriously, do you really expect all jedi to have the same "nurturing Oh I''m gonna take care of all my clones like babies" attitude? UH-UH. Each commanding general has its own leadership style and I'm happy to see one that is as extreme as Krell's presented in the show. And don't forget the harsh reality of war, "the end will always justify the means", so the clones are dispensable casualties, that's simply what they are. So for the Krell-haters, so sorry to bust some of your favorite clone's behinds.

Yes I do, given Jedi are supposed to what's the word oh yeah be COMPASSIONATE, I do as would most people except a Jedi to not see clones as nothing, like he does.

I have learned something from these last episodes, I accepted Fords rubbish acting, Han being nothing more than an old western cowboy with a laser gun, the stupid bounty hunter missing from 2 feet away, Han living, I understand why we got Jar Jar, The NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the tinkering, Lucas does senate time aka season 3 senate wars, but this monuMENTAL douchbag standing up the back giving orders like some jumped up namby pamby little bitch who is supposed to be a Jedi but yet is a soulless pansy who cares nothing for a sentient being in the clones, is just beyond a joke.

I do have a question and I am trying hard to not use foul language, why the hell did they give this tool dual wield dual blade sabers for, why does he even have a saber, seriously some random commander would have made this better, he doesn't use the force, used his blades for 2 seconds, is this coward, reckless neophyte, is he even a Jedi, I am yet to see one Jedi trait out of this tool.

This arc is just so bad, and not the good bad, just horrible, first dual wield dual blade saber, cool idea, then what do they do, the clearly right thing to do and only believable option a Jedi who is tall and acrobatic, nope some oaf, perfect lets have him fight Grievous, nope lets have him bark orders and do nothing.

Clearly they decided with this arc the motto would be, oh stuff it we shot off one of our feet who needs the other.

Just when I thought nothing could be more of a complete and total bugger up then TFU2 they show how decided, lets take a a cool action hero like Jason Statham and turn him into Pee Wee Herman without the paedophile tone.

It was so bad, even michael bay would have done better.

Edited November 5, 2011 by DarthSion

[commanderneyo]

Can't wait for the next, the synopsis of Plan of Dissent sounds awesome. I wonder which troopers will be going rogue.

Images suggest that Fives, Jesse, Tup & Hardcase at least will be going rogue. So far, it sounds/looks like the only two not going rogue will be Rex and Dogma (out of that squad anyway)...

[CF Mitch]

I think someone like Appo or Fox (the other one ) Should be leading the 501^st now, it seems a bit silly to have a Captain in command of a whole legion and acting as an equal with the likes of Commander Cody or commander Bly.

I know, that always seemed weird to me too.

Well, he's the top ranking Clone. I think Ahsoka's commander...

However that does make sense I remember hearing something being mentioned about Jedi Knights and Masters serving as generals and Padawans as commanders.

Hey, I was,just thinking about why Anakin was called away. Why was he called away again? We aren't given any specifics, just that Palpatine requested him on Coruscant. It seems a little fishy to me. Does anyone else thinkmwe will find out exactly what Palpatine needed Anakin for?

I've been wondering myself that too. I bet it's something to brainwash Anakin a little bit more.

Images suggest that Fives, Jesse, Tup & Hardcase at least will be going rogue

Yeah, I had a feeling Fives would be one of them, considering the way he acted in The General.

Regards,

Mitch

[commanderneyo]

New info, and you're not going to like it... (depending on the point of view)

Info on the 3 episodes after "The General".

Two clones face execution in "Carnage of Krell"? Fives is probably one of them, and the other Jesse. I say this because of Hardcase and Dogma being in a shot with Krell in that Dee Bradley Baker interview. Seems like Krell has a dark side, perhaps not Sith, but maybe Dark Jedi?

Apparently, "Kidnapped" is part of the Slavers arc. I can't believe that's valid, the slaves are all adults, not kids IMO. While this states otherwise, until a definite reliable source says so, I still stand by "Kidnapped" being the one part Lux & Ahsoka one. Besides, "Kidnapped" and "Slaves of the Republic" don't go well in the same arc, as they both basically mean the same thing, right?

Source: http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1111/02/starwarsnov.htm