Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Season 4 Discussion

[The Legonater]

Yes I do, given Jedi are supposed to what's the word oh yeah be COMPASSIONATE, I do as would most people except a Jedi to not see clones as nothing, like he does.

I have learned something from these last episodes, I accepted Fords rubbish acting, Han being nothing more than an old western cowboy with a laser gun, the stupid bounty hunter missing from 2 feet away, Han living, I understand why we got Jar Jar, The NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the tinkering, Lucas does senate time aka season 3 senate wars, but this monuMENTAL douchbag standing up the back giving orders like some jumped up namby pamby little bitch who is supposed to be a Jedi but yet is a soulless pansy who cares nothing for a sentient being in the clones, is just beyond a joke.

I do have a question and I am trying hard to not use foul language, why the hell did they give this tool dual wield dual blade sabers for, why does he even have a saber, seriously some random commander would have made this better, he doesn't use the force, used his blades for 2 seconds, is this coward, reckless neophyte, is he even a Jedi, I am yet to see one Jedi trait out of this tool.

This arc is just so bad, and not the good bad, just horrible, first dual wield dual blade saber, cool idea, then what do they do, the clearly right thing to do and only believable option a Jedi who is tall and acrobatic, nope some oaf, perfect lets have him fight Grievous, nope lets have him bark orders and do nothing.

Clearly they decided with this arc the motto would be, oh stuff it we shot off one of our feet who needs the other.

Just when I thought nothing could be more of a complete and total bugger up then TFU2 they show how decided, lets take a a cool action hero like Jason Statham and turn him into Pee Wee Herman without the paedophile tone.

It was so bad, even michael bay would have done better.

Because, fact is, there are Jedi like that.

[nex]

Two clones face execution in "Carnage of Krell"? Fives is probably one of them, and the other Jesse.

I don't think they're actually gonna be executed, since your post (yesterday) mentioned that Rex would stand up for them.

[DarthSion]

Because, fact is, there are Jedi like that.

Yes they are called Sith.

[Fallenangel]

Yes they are called Sith.

Care to expand? I can't help but feel that you're being too absolute in defining the 'Jedi' and 'Sith' archetypes, or perhaps doing it too arbitrarily.

Edited November 6, 2011 by fallenangel309

[commanderneyo]

I don't think they're actually gonna be executed, since your post (yesterday) mentioned that Rex would stand up for them.

Eh, where did I say they were going to be executed? I was just stating who it was likely the two clones wanted for execution would be Fives & Jesse, I didn't say they would be executed.

[Mr Man]

Don't the Grand Army of the Republic realise what a huge was executing 'defective' soldiers is, can't they send them back to Kamino for some intensive retraining or something. I see that the threat of execution for disobedience ads tension to a show but it's kinda stupid really.

[DarthSion]

Care to expand? I can't help but feel that you're being too absolute in defining the 'Jedi' and 'Sith' archetypes, or perhaps doing it too arbitrarily.

Jedi are supposed to be compassionate and show care to all sentient beings, something this fool does not, again assuming he is even a Jedi, grievous wields sabers but is not sith.

[KisKatona]

Don't the Grand Army of the Republic realise what a huge was executing 'defective' soldiers is, can't they send them back to Kamino for some intensive retraining or something. I see that the threat of execution for disobedience ads tension to a show but it's kinda stupid really.

Well, in the US Army, you'd face a court-martial for stuff like this. Now, court-martials do exist in SW (according to Ordo) but if they got many other clones killed I could see why it's an execution. But, then again, in the 3rd RC book a deserted ARC trooper is nearly assassinated by two spec ops clones. But really, in this situation, I'd expect a court-martial or intensive retraining. Seriously, when you only have under 3 million men, is it worth executing them if they disobey an order? Sure it's only a handful being killed, but Anakin would be pissed that his best troopers were killed, and all of the clones, not just the 501st would be pissed at all Jedi for executing their own.

[commdr_neyo]

Well, in the US Army, you'd face a court-martial for stuff like this. Now, court-martials do exist in SW (according to Ordo) but if they got many other clones killed I could see why it's an execution. But, then again, in the 3rd RC book a deserted ARC trooper is nearly assassinated by two spec ops clones. But really, in this situation, I'd expect a court-martial or intensive retraining. Seriously, when you only have under 3 million men, is it worth executing them if they disobey an order? Sure it's only a handful being killed, but Anakin would be pissed that his best troopers were killed, and all of the clones, not just the 501st would be pissed at all Jedi for executing their own.

It would be another great reason for Anakin and the clones to just obey order 66.

Then again, Rex will be in those Twi'lek episodes, so he atleast won't be executed (or not before that episode)..

[The Legonater]

Jedi are supposed to be compassionate and show care to all sentient beings, something this fool does not, again assuming he is even a Jedi, grievous wields sabers but is not sith.

And that is where you are incorrect. Jedi merely use the so-called 'light side' of the Force. If all Jedi were to be 'compassionate and show care to all sentient beings' then please explain how they took a slave army in their stride.

[KisKatona]

It would be another great reason for Anakin and the clones to just obey order 66.

Then again, Rex will be in those Twi'lek episodes, so he atleast won't be executed (or not before that episode)..

Exactly.

Edited November 6, 2011 by KisKatona

[Fallenangel]

In a rare bout of curiosity inspired partly by the Bloggers’ review that was posted today and a desire to watch the Umbara arc through, I sat through “The General”... and found it decent. The best points have already been mentioned – clone action, mechanical centipedes. You don’t see robotic arthropods much in the Star Wars universe, so this was interesting.

As for Krell, my opinion of him at this point is more or less in line with Clone O’Patra’s:

Although I appreciate that the show writers have provided a Jedi who is significantly different from most other Jedi in the show, I think they have turned him into too much of a one-note character, as they tend to do.

Wait a minute... Kix? One of the clones is named after a cereal?

Don't the Grand Army of the Republic realise what a huge was executing 'defective' soldiers is, can't they send them back to Kamino for some intensive retraining or something. I see that the threat of execution for disobedience ads tension to a show but it's kinda stupid really.

Actually, I was pleasantly surprised that ‘Hardcase’ (I think that was his name) appeared to be a defective clone. I suppose the fact that they’re sending in all the clones they can (as well as the fact that the clones care so much for their wounded) is an attempt to convince the audience that this war is actually costing the Republic something, which isn’t bad.

And of course I found some of the episode previews quite humorous... “What they discover hits Anakin most of all, slavery has returned to the Republic and he will do whatever he can to stop it.” :lol:

The “truth” about the new general, eh? Is he an imposter or something?

EDIT: Oh, yes, and whoever asked about Krell's voice actor... this should provide a quick laugh.

Edited November 7, 2011 by fallenangel309

[Brickdoctor]

None of the other Rebel Bloggers have announced this, so I should probably explain that Fallen is referring to the review of The General that we've been working on for a couple of days and published a few hours ago. We're currently experimenting with posting CW episode reviews regularly on Mondays following episodes.

[Brickadeer]

Hey, I was,just thinking about why Anakin was called away. Why was he called away again? We aren't given any specifics, just that Palpatine requested him on Coruscant. It seems a little fishy to me. Does anyone else thinkmwe will find out exactly what Palpatine needed Anakin for?

The effect of this measure is that Clones begin to hate their leading Jedi general. How Krell treats Anakin's men will make him more anti-Jedi, too. I'd say that's why he was called away. Remember, the Siths control everything :)

Concluding from Krell's statistics, Palpatine knows pretty well that the odds that Rex and most of his men will die under Krell's command are very high. If this would happen, Anakin would have lost another person he likes, making him longing for the power to prevent such losses in the future.

Edited November 7, 2011 by Brickadeer

[Mr Man]

None of the other Rebel Bloggers have announced this, so I should probably explain that Fallen is referring to the review of The General that we've been working on for a couple of days and published a few hours ago. We're currently experimenting with posting CW episode reviews regularly on Mondays following episodes.

Aww I was planing on reviewing them here from series one . I'll still read it though .

[commanderneyo]

New preview for "Plan of Dissent", in which Fives & Hardcase have a moment

By the way, has anyone else caught onto the fact that Hardcase is basically portrayed as what Hevy could have been had he survived? I think that's pretty cool

[Clone OPatra]

Ugh, they are making Krell worse and worse for no reason. Even a Jedi who is full of himself and doesn't care about Clones isn't going to punch them out of the way. There is just no reason for it.

[CF Mitch]

Remember that he also drew his lightsaber on Fives (I believe?) when he spoke his doubts out loud.

Like someone stated before, there's definitely something evil and non-Jedi about this guy...

Regards,

Mitch

[Oky]

Please tell me there's no Episode IV reference following this scene...

[commanderneyo]

Please tell me there's no Episode IV reference following this scene...

Probably will be. Recent episodes have, such as "Mercy Mission" & "The General" are two that definitly did.

EDIT: woops, thought you meant Empire, not ANH, my mistake

Edited November 9, 2011 by commanderneyo

[commanderneyo]

Sorry for the double post, but this is pretty important...

Cartoon Network: "General Pong Krell orders Rex to execute Fives for insubordination. What would you do if you were Rex?"

So... Krell is NOT even going to do the executing, he is just going to order Rex to do even THAT for him.

From the Cartoon Network preview for "Carnage of Krell"

[Mr Man]

Cartoon Network: "General Pong Krell orders Rex to execute Fives for insubordination. What would you do if you were Rex?"

Eh surly as an ARC trooper Rex and Fives are at least the same rank . I say the 501^st start Order 66 a little early and get some practice in on idiot Jedi now .

[Darth Nihilus]

I say the 501^st start Order 66 a little early and get some practice in on idiot Jedi now .

As a Order-66 hater, I have to agree with you. Despite my obvious dislike for Order 66, Krell deserves it. He's an awful Jedi, and personally, I think that he might not even be a Jedi at all.

Edited November 11, 2011 by darthnihilius

[commanderneyo]

As a Order-66 hater, I have to agree with you. Despite my obvious dislike for Order 66, Krell deserves it. He's an awful Jedi, and personally, I think that he might not even be a Jedi at all.

Possibly, I think he is a Jedi, but he might be a traitor really, and working for the Separatists. I prepared a theory recently about Krell, if any of you are interested in reading it, I'll post it.

[Darth Nihilus]

Possibly, I think he is a Jedi, but he might be a traitor really, and working for the Separatists. I prepared a theory recently about Krell, if any of you are interested in reading it, I'll post it.

I'm interested!

I still think that he's a Dark Jedi. Have you seen the eyes on that guy?