Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Season 4 Discussion

[commanderneyo]

I'm interested!

I still think that he's a Dark Jedi. Have you seen the eyes on that guy?

Alright, here goes.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ddq7c5rISsM/TZfsiVOLtgI/AAAAAAAAAVs/AXtHGnDZgg0/s400/TCWS4WierdPlanet.bmp

That's the image I based my theory on. Here's the actual theory:

While we are on the topic of whether Krell might be a traitor or not, I've been thinking up a little theory. All the way back in April in the Wondercon trailer, we got this shot. Now, the clones are CLEARLY attacking someone (perhaps killing) but there is no green light or bolts, meaning it isn't an Umbaran. If Krell is indeed a traitor, what if Krell's death scene is right here? Reason I say this? If the clones were all fighting Umbaran soldiers, they would be attacking many, but again CLEARLY they are all focusing on just one enemy. That is why I think the clones are surrounding Krell here...

What do you think?

Of course, this google image isn't too clear or good in size. But, if you see a larger image (there is one on Facebook on the Star Wars Underworld which has a great picture, compared to that Google one). But once you see a good picture of it, you know I could have a point.

EDIT: "Carnage of Krell" preview up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndjDsplVykg

So, Fives & either Hardcase or Jesse (the other clones that go rogue) are sentenced for execution.

Edited November 11, 2011 by commanderneyo

[Darth Nihilus]

Your theory is very good commanderneyo, but if it is true, what are the red bolts in that picture? I think that it might be an ambush within an ambush, as in BDs attacking the clones as the clones are about to attack Krell. Because, as far as we know, clones and Umbarans don't shoot red.

[commanderneyo]

Your theory is very good commanderneyo, but if it is true, what are the red bolts in that picture? I think that it might be an ambush within an ambush, as in BDs attacking the clones as the clones are about to attack Krell. Because, as far as we know, clones and Umbarans don't shoot red.

The red lights are part of the planet. We've seen them in almost every Umbara shot that hasn't been a base, the red lights are all over the bushes, trees etc.

[CF Mitch]

He means the red blaster bolts, the red line you see in the small picture you posted.

And I don't believe that that picture shows them all fighting against Krell.

'cause that would mean them all ganging up on him, and I don't think all of them would do that.

I don't think it's that obvious they are all focusing on one enemy, it might just be in the distance.

And even if it is one enemy, it might be another Umbaran weapon or something, or a native creature attacking them because they mess up his home.

Just saying

Loved Plan of Dissent, by the way.

Hardcase died in exactly the same way Hevy did.

Regards,

Mitch

[Fallenangel]

Alright, here goes.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ddq7c5rISsM/TZfsiVOLtgI/AAAAAAAAAVs/AXtHGnDZgg0/s400/TCWS4WierdPlanet.bmp

That's the image I based my theory on. Here's the actual theory:

While we are on the topic of whether Krell might be a traitor or not, I've been thinking up a little theory. All the way back in April in the Wondercon trailer, we got this shot. Now, the clones are CLEARLY attacking someone (perhaps killing) but there is no green light or bolts, meaning it isn't an Umbaran. If Krell is indeed a traitor, what if Krell's death scene is right here? Reason I say this? If the clones were all fighting Umbaran soldiers, they would be attacking many, but again CLEARLY they are all focusing on just one enemy. That is why I think the clones are surrounding Krell here...

What do you think?

Of course, this google image isn't too clear or good in size. But, if you see a larger image (there is one on Facebook on the Star Wars Underworld which has a great picture, compared to that Google one). But once you see a good picture of it, you know I could have a point.

Given Krell's attitude and the episode preview ("Rex is forced to make a dark choice when the truth about his new general is revealed.") I wouldn't be surprised if Krell turned out to be a Dark Jedi of sorts, though I would be quite disappointed in the producers.

On another note... "I don't think I can court-marshal them. It will only be a waste of time, and that's something we don't have". From the beginning I've found it funny that Krell insists on efficiency yet wastes so much breath on his clones. Ordering an execution in the midst of a campaign doesn't sound very time-efficient.

[Artanis I]

Ordering an execution in the midst of a campaign doesn't sound very time-efficient.

But they did just buy him some time...

[Fives]

Given Krell's attitude and the episode preview ("Rex is forced to make a dark choice when the truth about his new general is revealed.") I wouldn't be surprised if Krell turned out to be a Dark Jedi of sorts, though I would be quite disappointed in the producers.

On another note... "I don't think I can court-marshal them. It will only be a waste of time, and that's something we don't have". From the beginning I've found it funny that Krell insists on efficiency yet wastes so much breath on his clones. Ordering an execution in the midst of a campaign doesn't sound very time-efficient.

I believe Krell is gonna turn out to be a double agent of sorts. Maybe he was ordered as the replacement for Skywalker by Sidious as a way to make the clones more loyal to Anakin. Also, the reason why the execution will be time-efficient is because Krell probably won't make it official. He will just simply cut off their heads or something.

[Darth Nihilus]

None of these theories explain the unidentified red blaster bolts in the picture neyo linked to. I personally think that the droids ambush the clones in 'Carnage of Krell', but it could be an unidentified third enemy.

[nex]

In the Carnage of Krell ep. guide, there's a preview gallery with the concept art of phase II Waxer. So he'll probably be in the episode.

Looks like the 212th Battalion is gonna save the day.

Edited November 15, 2011 by nex

[commanderneyo]

None of these theories explain the unidentified red blaster bolts in the picture neyo linked to. I personally think that the droids ambush the clones in 'Carnage of Krell', but it could be an unidentified third enemy.

Hmm, weird, because I actually based my theory off a similar picture with no red blaster bolts. It could be some clones use enemy weapons, but at this stage, who knows?

We'll just have to wait to find out...

[Mr Man]

I plan on watching all 4 together but I can't resist looking here, I'm spoiling it for myself . I don't know about the analysis of the image but I do think the 501^st will get some valuable moron Jedi killing experience in ahead of Operation: Knightfall.

[commanderneyo]

Commentary on the whole Umbara arc on Youtube. Doesn't reveal anything really in "Carnage of Krell", execept for one small shot...

[CF Mitch]

My God...

Just finished watching the episode and it was... intense.

Krell had it all figured out, apparently. Though not all, as it turned out.

I like how Dogma realized everything eventually, though the truth was kinda hard to miss, as Krell admitted it all.

Great episode. Can't wait for next week

Regards,

Mitch

[commanderneyo]

Preview for "Kidnapped", the next episode.

http://www.starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/ep411/

The 3-part Slavers arc will be the last episodes we get before the Christmas break.

[Mr Man]

I just watched all 4 of them this morning, my god Krell was a dick. The whole are was great and the characterisation was good. If Appo is going to be a commander soon why was he only a Sergeant and not a Lieutenant or something? The Umbaran starfighters where cool as was all the Umbaran tec, but the Droid Control ship was odd.

So it's treason then?

[Darth Nihilus]

I just watched all 4 of them this morning, my god Krell was a dick. The whole are was great and the characterisation was good. If Appo is going to be a commander soon why was he only a Sergeant and not a Lieutenant or something? The Umbaran starfighters where cool as was all the Umbaran tec, but the Droid Control ship was odd.

So it's treason then?

I think that Rex is going to die and Appo is going to be immediatly promoted to Captain, then proves himself in battle and Anakin suggests that he is promoted to Commander.

Can't seem to find the vid of "Carnage of Krell" on YouTube, can anyone tell me what happened? I'm dying to know.

[Mr Man]

I think that Rex is going to die and Appo is going to be immediatly promoted to Captain, then proves himself in battle and Anakin suggests that he is promoted to Commander.

Can't seem to find the vid of "Carnage of Krell" on YouTube, can anyone tell me what happened? I'm dying to know.

You can watch them all from here I would use the Gorilla video links as there is no time limit they buffer quickly and there's only 1 popup.

I think that Rex will die for Appo to be promoted but only in series 5.

[art_apples]

Can't seem to find the vid of "Carnage of Krell" on YouTube, can anyone tell me what happened? I'm dying to know.

here you go....

[Fallenangel]

here you go....

Thanks, Art! Now I don't have to wait an extra day to watch it on the Cartoon Network website.

EDIT: Well, I was right about Krell. At least the action was good.

Edited November 19, 2011 by fallenangel309

[sok117]

The arc was very good as a whole, lots of intense action. The last episode was rather emotional when Rex realized they were shooting their brothers. Pretty traumatic stuff if you ask me. My favourite part was Krell though, not him as a character, just he action was razy good! Much better then Grievous if you ask me.

[Brickus]

I liked the episode, but I would have liked some closure at the end, with Anakin or Obi-Wan learning of Krell's treachery.

Edited November 19, 2011 by Brickus

[CF Mitch]

I liked the episode, but I would have liked some closure at the end, with Anakin or Obi-Wan learning of Krell's treachery.

Same here. I wonder what the Jedi Council's reaction would be...

I also think it's too bad we didn't get to see more of Appo... hope we do in the future.

[Fives]

Finally, Krell is dead. I find it funny that no one else has realized that this whole plan of Krell's was actually Palpatine's doing. Maybe you have, but no one has mentioned it. Palpatine called Anakin off just so Krell would get a chance. Palpatine knew that Krell would be useful for a while, and then be expendable after the war. Or, Krell was already pretty well aquatinted with Sidious, which makes sense of him knowing how the war ends.

Overall, it was a good end to the arc. Waxer's death was really sad, as was the whole clones vs. clones thing. I'm also really happy Fives is still alive.

[Fallenangel]

The moment Krell started randomly slaughtering clones and jumping out a window was when this episode started going downhill.

[Brickadeer]

Finally, Krell is dead. I find it funny that no one else has realized that this whole plan of Krell's was actually Palpatine's doing. Maybe you have, but no one has mentioned it. Palpatine called Anakin off just so Krell would get a chance. Palpatine knew that Krell would be useful for a while, and then be expendable after the war. Or, Krell was already pretty well aquatinted with Sidious, which makes sense of him knowing how the war ends.

Overall, it was a good end to the arc. Waxer's death was really sad, as was the whole clones vs. clones thing. I'm also really happy Fives is still alive.

This is incorrect, I stated that already on November 7th ;)

Edited November 20, 2011 by Brickadeer