Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Season 4 Discussion

[Fives]

I agree that Opress' quest for Maul is not particularly interesting or spectacular; I liked the final location, though. I don't believe that all the storylines can be given a satisfying solution in just 20 minutes, so I think that the finale might become the prelude to season 5.

I would be surprised if hey had Maul become a recurring character. So far, the only character from the films (other than all the main characters) who has returned often is Boba. Also, Maul seems like too big a deal to have hanging around for a long time. During the episode, we saw little bits of a bunch of characters who could sense Oppress's and Maul's return, which makes me think that everyone will be drawn to Maul and there will be a big battle, and I could see (possibly, if she is there) Ahsoka being killed.

[General Magma]

During the episode, we saw little bits of a bunch of characters who could sense Oppress's and Maul's return, which makes me think that everyone will be drawn to Maul and there will be a big battle, and I could see (possibly, if she is there) Ahsoka being killed.

Exactly my thoughts, but I believe I was being told that I was crazy when I said that months ago.

Right now, the only thing to make Maul's return something big to me would be killing off Ahsoka.

To (sort of) repeat what I said pretty long ago, it will be a duel that will draw Anakin closer to the dark side. Some attempts at persuading him isn't gonna work,

so what better way to end the season and to make Maul's return worth it would there be than the end of Ahsoka at his hands?

Now don't be jumping at me shouting that this would just be ridiculous. It is probably only the second to last season,

why would they kill Ahsoka off at the end of the series? It wouldn't make any sense to me, as 1) the end shows some aspects of order 66 and thus would be too close to ROTS and 2) wouldn't they be talking about it in ROTS then? Anakin would have to be upset at the beginning of ROTS already if this were to happen at

the end of the series as he wouldn't so soon forget or calm down about it, so my bet is that Ahsoka will have her last week starting from now...

~ General Magma

[Brickadeer]

Exactly my thoughts, but I believe I was being told that I was crazy when I said that months ago.

Right now, the only thing to make Maul's return something big to me would be killing off Ahsoka.

To (sort of) repeat what I said pretty long ago, it will be a duel that will draw Anakin closer to the dark side. Some attempts at persuading him isn't gonna work,

so what better way to end the season and to make Maul's return worth it would there be than the end of Ahsoka at his hands?

Now don't be jumping at me shouting that this would just be ridiculous. It is probably only the second to last season,

why would they kill Ahsoka off at the end of the series? It wouldn't make any sense to me, as 1) the end shows some aspects of order 66 and thus would be too close to ROTS and 2) wouldn't they be talking about it in ROTS then? Anakin would have to be upset at the beginning of ROTS already if this were to happen at

the end of the series as he wouldn't so soon forget or calm down about it, so my bet is that Ahsoka will have her last week starting from now...

~ General Magma

I wouldn't call it rediculous. But considering that Ahsoka didn't play any role in episode 19/20 and only had a cameo in episode 21, I'd be pretty surprised if she played a major role in the finale, let alone letting her die. Ventress death on the other hand appears to be more likely and, keeping her recent development in mind, more tragic.

Besides that, I think we'll see 2-3 further seasons, so Ashoka and Rex are good candidates for the final seasons.

[sok117]

The episode was okay. Maul was a really interestingly played character. I wonder who is going to clean him up and give him some robotic legs . The snake thing also really reminded me of Kaa from the Jungle Book, which I found quite humorus, I'm glad he died . I just really want to see maul murder some people

[Brickadeer]

The snake thing also really reminded me of Kaa from the Jungle Book, which I found quite humorus, I'm glad he died .

The snake reminded me of Jar Jar. I was pretty pleased when she died, too.

Edited March 10, 2012 by Brickadeer

[DarthR2-D2]

Exactly my thoughts, but I believe I was being told that I was crazy when I said that months ago.

Right now, the only thing to make Maul's return something big to me would be killing off Ahsoka.

To (sort of) repeat what I said pretty long ago, it will be a duel that will draw Anakin closer to the dark side. Some attempts at persuading him isn't gonna work,

so what better way to end the season and to make Maul's return worth it would there be than the end of Ahsoka at his hands?

Now don't be jumping at me shouting that this would just be ridiculous. It is probably only the second to last season,

why would they kill Ahsoka off at the end of the series? It wouldn't make any sense to me, as 1) the end shows some aspects of order 66 and thus would be too close to ROTS and 2) wouldn't they be talking about it in ROTS then? Anakin would have to be upset at the beginning of ROTS already if this were to happen at

the end of the series as he wouldn't so soon forget or calm down about it, so my bet is that Ahsoka will have her last week starting from now...

~ General Magma

There is also Labyrinth of Evil (events leading up to ROTS) and nothing wrong with Obi-Wan or Anakin. So the "oh Darth maul returning, Rex & Ahsoka dead" memories will have already been brushed off at that point. And Labyrinth of Evil starts about a month before ROTS.

[General Magma]

I wouldn't call it rediculous. But considering that Ahsoka didn't play any role in episode 19/20 and only had a cameo in episode 21, I'd be pretty surprised if she played a major role in the finale, let alone letting her die. Ventress death on the other hand appears to be more likely and, keeping her recent development in mind, more tragic.

Besides that, I think we'll see 2-3 further seasons, so Ashoka and Rex are good candidates for the final seasons.

Well, Darth Maul didn't appear in 19 and 20, and was only seen the last 5 minutes of 21 (although half of the 4 episode arc revolves around him),

so it wouldn't be unlikely for Ahsoka to have more of a role in 22, what with the attack on the Jedi Temple, and Anakin versus Darth Maul and all.

2-3 further seasons? I thought season 5 was likely to be the last, but I guess I'm not up-to-date on things regarding that, then.

The episode was okay. Maul was a really interestingly played character. I wonder who is going to clean him up and give him some robotic legs . The snake thing also really reminded me of Kaa from the Jungle Book, which I found quite humorus, I'm glad he died . I just really want to see maul murder some people

The snake reminded me of Jar Jar. I was pretty pleased when she died, too.

That "snake thing" is Morley, a male member of the Anacondan species.

(The species that first appeared serving drinks in a cantina in 'Deception' - only Morley and that other one are known)

~ General Magma

[Brickadeer]

Well, Darth Maul didn't appear in 19 and 20, and was only seen the last 5 minutes of 21 (although half of the 4 episode arc revolves around him),

so it wouldn't be unlikely for Ahsoka to have more of a role in 22, what with the attack on the Jedi Temple, and Anakin versus Darth Maul and all.

2-3 further seasons? I thought season 5 was likely to be the last, but I guess I'm not up-to-date on things regarding that, then.

Well, in one week, we know more

The one character that unites the four episodes of this last arc is Mother Talzin. It has not become clear yet what her plans are, what roles she assumes for Ventress and Opress, why she sent Opress on his quest to find Maul, and why she didn't tell Ventress about Opress' quest when she returned to Dathomir at the beginning of episode 19. I suppose these question to be at the center of the final episode, which would Ahsoka's death make a bit arbitrary, although surprising.

If I remember correctly, Chris Taylor said in

that the writers are already done with the plots for season 6. Since TCW is probably the last opportunity for Lucas to clarify open questions of the prequel triology and to examine aspects of the Star Wars universe that he feels need to be explored, my current guess is that there'll be rather 7 than 6 seasons. Edited March 10, 2012 by Brickadeer

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

My thoughts are a little all over the place concerning the finale and the future of the show but I'll try to gather my thoughts into a coherent post.

Since the finale is titled Revenge, it makes me think that a character is going to be killed off. The first thing that comes to mind is the possible death of either Ahsoka or Captain Rex. However after a little more thought, that wouldn't really make too much sense. The person truly seeking revenge is Darth Maul for the loss of the lower part of his body/legs. The person that took that away from him is Obi-Wan Kenobi. Obi-Wan can't die or lose limbs of his own so the only way I can see this truly being "revenge" is for Maul to take something from Obi-Wan. I have limited knowledge of the EU so I would have to speculate maybe the death of Duchess Satine. That's the only thing that can be taken from Obi-Wan. I rule out Ahsoka because that would effect Anakin more and Darth Maul's anger is focused at Obi-Wan. I'm pretty sure the finale won't involve any of the clones so Captain Rex should be safe for now.

There have been a lot of dark scenes in Season 4. The killing of a bunch of the Togruta colonists in the Slavers arc being one of them. I almost feel like we're being desensitized slowly. Maybe this is being done so if death is indeed in store for Ahsoka and Rex, it doesn't hit kids as hard. In my household, my 7-yr-old son believes they're both already dead in Episode III.

[Brickadeer]

My thoughts are a little all over the place concerning the finale and the future of the show but I'll try to gather my thoughts into a coherent post.

Since the finale is titled Revenge, it makes me think that a character is going to be killed off. The first thing that comes to mind is the possible death of either Ahsoka or Captain Rex. However after a little more thought, that wouldn't really make too much sense. The person truly seeking revenge is Darth Maul for the loss of the lower part of his body/legs. The person that took that away from him is Obi-Wan Kenobi. Obi-Wan can't die or lose limbs of his own so the only way I can see this truly being "revenge" is for Maul to take something from Obi-Wan. I have limited knowledge of the EU so I would have to speculate maybe the death of Duchess Satine. That's the only thing that can be taken from Obi-Wan. I rule out Ahsoka because that would effect Anakin more and Darth Maul's anger is focused at Obi-Wan. I'm pretty sure the finale won't involve any of the clones so Captain Rex should be safe for now.

I agree that Maul has the strongest motive for revenge, so apparently, the title of the episodes refers to him.

But although Obi Wan is a Jedi, he has a motive for revenge as well, although I do not suppose it to be very likely that he is driven by this emotion. Ventress has a motive for revenge since she considered Opress to be a traitor. I'm not sure if she'd allow that emotion to control her actions, though. Anakin's motives for revenge are a bit more abstract since he was neither directly harmed by Opress nor Maul. But clearly Dooku has a strong motive for revenge. With Dooku intriguing, it might not only be Maul who wants revenge, but others as well; so I'd say there are a few possibilities to give the title a second meaning.

[General Magma]

Ah, 7 seasons it is, then.

Hopefully they're going to switch to more of a war with larger battles, as long as they don't show too many main characters.

I'd actually like to see some huge battles with the introductions of new (named) characters, that being mostly characters playing roles later in the series as well instead of dying in the first episode (or story arc)

that they're introduced in.

I've noticed that, by each season, the episodes tend to become darker, so perhaps they're slowly moving onto the deaths of main characters.

And then, regarding Cad Bane... I'm doubting they're going to kill him off anytime in the series, I feel like he might have some potential to play a part in 'Star Wars: Underworld',

although he loses his reputation as the best bounty hunter to Boba Fett.

My thoughts are a little all over the place concerning the finale and the future of the show but I'll try to gather my thoughts into a coherent post.

Since the finale is titled Revenge, it makes me think that a character is going to be killed off. The first thing that comes to mind is the possible death of either Ahsoka or Captain Rex. However after a little more thought, that wouldn't really make too much sense. The person truly seeking revenge is Darth Maul for the loss of the lower part of his body/legs. The person that took that away from him is Obi-Wan Kenobi. Obi-Wan can't die or lose limbs of his own so the only way I can see this truly being "revenge" is for Maul to take something from Obi-Wan. I have limited knowledge of the EU so I would have to speculate maybe the death of Duchess Satine. That's the only thing that can be taken from Obi-Wan. I rule out Ahsoka because that would effect Anakin more and Darth Maul's anger is focused at Obi-Wan. I'm pretty sure the finale won't involve any of the clones so Captain Rex should be safe for now.

Obi-Wan's family. I've read that we're going to see something of Obi-Wan's home planet where his family still lives,

and I think Darth Maul might cause some kind of massacre there. But then, where is the Jedi Temple attack? Was that a false "rumor" or will we still see that?

~ General Magma

Edited March 10, 2012 by General Magma

[Brickadeer]

But then, where is the Jedi Temple attack? Was that a false "rumor" or will we still see that?

I think it was a rumor.

Savage and Maul, now reunited, pursue Obi-Wan Kenobi in search of revenge, and the Jedi Knight finds himself forced to unite with a surprising ally to defend against the deadly siblings.

I think the surprising ally will be Ventress (Dooku seems to be unlikely). He would not need such a surprising ally if he'd defend the Jedi Temple since there should be several Jedi to join him.

Edited March 10, 2012 by Brickadeer

[commanderneyo]

Here's some questions Filoni recently did on Friday night over at EW, where he revealed some things, including that the last Jedi we needed on the show to complete the council, will be coming!

http://starwarsunderworld.blogspot.com/2012/03/ew-dave-filoni-live-chat-highlights.html

[Brickadeer]

Here's some questions Filoni recently did on Friday night over at EW, where he revealed some things, including that the last Jedi we needed on the show to complete the council, will be coming!

http://starwarsunderworld.blogspot.com/2012/03/ew-dave-filoni-live-chat-highlights.html

Great find again

Christian Blauvelt

Q. So Dave, what hints can you give about season five?

A. It's a big season of very important character moments. ALOT changes forever for some of our heroes. It's a big year for Ahsoka, Ashley's best work, very poweful.

[LEGOman273]

Here's some questions Filoni recently did on Friday night over at EW, where he revealed some things, including that the last Jedi we needed on the show to complete the council, will be coming!

http://starwarsunderworld.blogspot.com/2012/03/ew-dave-filoni-live-chat-highlights.html

Thanks for the link.

I knew that Admiral Trench didn't die!

[Brickadeer]

I knew that Admiral Trench didn't die!

That was a pretty good guess I never believed he had survived this, but I was wrong.

[LEGOman273]

That was a pretty good guess I never believed he had survived this, but I was wrong.

Two words: Darth Maul

They (the characters) made a point of saying that his ship was was vaporized in the Battle of Malastare Narrows. The only logical reason to do that is so that viewers will doubt that Trench really died.

Edited March 11, 2012 by LEGOman273

[General Magma]

Christian Blauvelt

Q. So Dave, what hints can you give about season five?

A. It's a big season of very important character moments. ALOT changes forever for some of our heroes. It's a big year for Ahsoka, Ashley's best work, very poweful.

I guess that means her death then. I also think Darth Maul might become a recurring character, and that Obi-Wan might somehow a) be defeated but not killed, or b) defeats Maul, but he manages to escape.

And Trench didn't die then, hm? Interesting, I wonder what his further roles will be if it's true.

We have so many stories it is really amazing, but thats what happens when you have such an expansive universe that people care about. I just keep making them until George says stop, thats my plan at least and I'm ok with it, lol.

Oh, great - everybody, prepare for 200 seasons.

~ General Magma

[Brickadeer]

I guess that means her death then. I also think Darth Maul might become a recurring character, and that Obi-Wan might somehow a) be defeated but not killed, or b) defeats Maul, but he manages to escape.

And Trench didn't die then, hm? Interesting, I wonder what his further roles will be if it's true.

Oh, great - everybody, prepare for 200 seasons.

~ General Magma

Maybe it is. I think that in season 5 she will change, although I have no idea into what direction. As for Maul, I think that the events surrounding him might be concluded in an arc of season 5. But then again, may all open ends will be concluded in the final episode. My greatest concern it Ventress; I hope that her development is not yet finished and that she'll make it into season 5.

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

@commanderneyo - thanks for posting that interview. There is indeed a ton of stories left to be told and hopefully we the seasons keep continuing.

Maybe it is. I think that in season 5 she will change, although I have no idea into what direction. As for Maul, I think that the events surrounding him might be concluded in an arc of season 5. But then again, may all open ends will be concluded in the final episode. My greatest concern it Ventress; I hope that her development is not yet finished and that she'll make it into season 5.

I agree that something will change with Ahsoka and her character may go in a different direction. I'm not really sure that when her story ends, it'll be with her death. I really hope that isn't what happens. A lot of work went into creating her and she's an enormous fan favorite. She's the character that brings my daughter to watch the show. However, I can see her dying and her death leading Anakin further towards the dark-side. Aside from Obi-Wan and Padme, Anakin has an emotional attachment to Ahsoka as well.

Surprisingly I have become very fond of Asajj Ventress and I hope that there's more in store for her character. She's a powerful wildcard and since she's no longer in league with Count Dooku, I hope her character evolves more than just hanging out with Bounty Hunters.

I can see Maul being around in future seasons. I can't see his character being brought back just to appear in a couple of story arcs.

[Brickadeer]

Surprisingly I have become very fond of Asajj Ventress and I hope that there's more in store for her character. She's a powerful wildcard and since she's no longer in league with Count Dooku, I hope her character evolves more than just hanging out with Bounty Hunters.

Well, if you like Ventress, you might wish to read this interview with her voice actor Nika Futterman.

As for the Ahsoka, Rex and others, I wish there'd be a re-written TCW version of "Revenge of the Sith", but it doesn't seem very likely

Edited March 11, 2012 by Brickadeer

[DarthR2-D2]

Since the finale is titled Revenge, it makes me think that a character is going to be killed off. The first thing that comes to mind is the possible death of either Ahsoka or Captain Rex. However after a little more thought, that wouldn't really make too much sense. The person truly seeking revenge is Darth Maul for the loss of the lower part of his body/legs. The person that took that away from him is Obi-Wan Kenobi. Obi-Wan can't die or lose limbs of his own so the only way I can see this truly being "revenge" is for Maul to take something from Obi-Wan. I have limited knowledge of the EU so I would have to speculate maybe the death of Duchess Satine. That's the only thing that can be taken from Obi-Wan. I rule out Ahsoka because that would effect Anakin more and Darth Maul's anger is focused at Obi-Wan. I'm pretty sure the finale won't involve any of the clones so Captain Rex should be safe for now.

Keep in mind, Darth Maul knows who his former master's real identity is. (As told in Darth Plagueis). In other words, Maul probably knows all about Palpatine's plan and everything like that.

[Fives]

I was just looking for info for next weeks episode, Revenge, and I found an interesting and exciting bit of info on Wookieepedia under the episode's official summary:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revenge_(episode)

Apparently, Obi-Wan and Ventress will team up to fight Savage and Maul! This makes me so happy!

[Vindicare]

When Savage first found Maul, I was thinking, "why'd they do that to him?!"-the way he was acting. But, once he came back to his senses and had the stink of Obi Wan in his nostrils, he got better. The choice of those spider legs, though...really? At least he gets better ones according to next weeks preview.

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

Speaking of Darth Maul's spider legs, I wish there would have been a flashback as to what happened after his duel with Obi-Wan. Specifically what happened after the fall, how he was able to get away, with the aid of who (I know he didn't walk away ) and how he ended up on that planet. It was funny listening to my kids argue how they think he survived.

Edited March 12, 2012 by Sir_Basil_Ashton