Brickadeer Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Speaking of Darth Maul's spider legs, I wish there would have been a flashback as to what happened after his duel with Obi-Wan. Specifically what happened after the fall, how he was able to get away, with the aid of who (I know he didn't walk away ) and how he ended up on that planet. It was funny listening to my kids argue how they think he survived. Would you mind to share what they think and how they argue? Quote
LEGOman273 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Speaking of Darth Maul's spider legs, I wish there would have been a flashback as to what happened after his duel with Obi-Wan. Specifically what happened after the fall, how he was able to get away, with the aid of who (I know he didn't walk away ) and how he ended up on that planet. It was funny listening to my kids argue how they think he survived. I think that he may have ended up in a pile of junk at the bottom of the pit, and was carried off the junk planet. I think that the Junkers(was that their name?) rebuilt him, though I don't know why. (Note the style of Mauls legs and that of the Junkers' prosthetic limbs.) Quote
Fives Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I think that he may have ended up in a pile of junk at the bottom of the pit, and was carried off the junk planet. I think that the Junkers(was that their name?) rebuilt him, though I don't know why. (Note the style of Mauls legs and that of the Junkers' prosthetic limbs.) That is possible, but what I want to know is how he was able to stay alive even though he had been bisected. Sure, the Force would help, but what Force ability keeps a dead man living? Could it have been similar to how Sidious kept Vader alive while taking him to Coruscant after he was burned alive on Mustafar? Quote
Jedi master Brick Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 We don't need a flashback to tell us how Darth Maul lived. He livd because Geroge Lucas says so, so he can annoy as many star wars fans as possible. Quote
LEGOman273 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 That is possible, but what I want to know is how he was able to stay alive even though he had been bisected. Sure, the Force would help, but what Force ability keeps a dead man living? Could it have been similar to how Sidious kept Vader alive while taking him to Coruscant after he was burned alive on Mustafar? Or Darth Plagueis kept him alive. He died in 32 BBY, perhaps after the Invasion of Naboo. Sidious had broken the "Rule of Two" by taking Maul as his apprentice and plotted to kill him(Plagueis), so perhaps Plagueis kept Maul alive in order to take revenge against Sidious. That is why he created Anakin. Quote
Oky Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 From Wookieepedia, taken from this novel: Maul survived through his hate and will to live, and hatred against Kenobi, he reached out with the Force and grabbed an air vent. He somehow escaped from Naboo and arrived to Lotho Minor in order to escape his master's anger for Maul's failure. Maul acquired a six-legged arachnid-like cybernetic apparatus to replace his lost lower body, and stayed in the caves of the planet. For over ten years, Maul's memories were lost and he was in state of near-madness, eating only the little animals that came to the cave, but the only thing he remembered was Obi-Wan Kenobi and how he took his legs. Not this "will to live" hippie crap again! And seriously, he grabbed an air vent? Sure, I could do that right after I got cut in half. By the way, our review is up. I hope we didn't "obsess over details" too much this time. Quote
Brickadeer Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 From Wookieepedia, taken from this novel: Not this "will to live" hippie crap again! And seriously, he grabbed an air vent? Sure, I could do that right after I got cut in half. By the way, our review is up. I hope we didn't "obsess over details" too much this time. I have to agree that this explanation doesn't sound very convincing. It simply isn't plausible that he could survive and escape from Naboo without any help. Actually, I prefered the scenario that we was raised from the dead by some sinister mist mojo. Quote
Sir_Basil_Ashton Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Would you mind to share what they think and how they argue? Well it's rather silly the way a 7-yo(son) and 9-yo(daughter) think. My son is convinced that Maul survived because as he fell down the shaft, his eyes were still open and his arms were still moving. He can't explain or account for how he was able to survive the fall. Of course my daughter argues that his arms were moving because he was falling and the wind was making them fall. She thinks he should be dead because he was cut in half. The arguing really comes in when they speculate what will happen in the next episode. According to my son, Darth Maul will betray Savage Oppress or Savage Oppress will betray Darth Maul. My daughter reasons that Savage didn't go to all the trouble of finding Maul just to betray him. They then argue about the Maul's legs and that they're robot legs like Anakin or spider legs. Maul survived through his hate and will to live, and hatred against Kenobi, he reached out with the Force and grabbed an air vent. He somehow escaped from Naboo and arrived to Lotho Minor in order to escape his master's anger for Maul's failure. Maul acquired a six-legged arachnid-like cybernetic apparatus to replace his lost lower body, and stayed in the caves of the planet. For over ten years, Maul's memories were lost and he was in state of near-madness, eating only the little animals that came to the cave, but the only thing he remembered was Obi-Wan Kenobi and how he took his legs. So as Maul was falling, he wasn't worried about surviving the fall? Instead he focused his hatred towards Obi-Wan and this led to his survival? We know that he survived because of hatred but don't know how he escaped? Quote
Oky Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 So as Maul was falling, he wasn't worried about surviving the fall? Instead he focused his hatred towards Obi-Wan and this led to his survival? We know that he survived because of hatred but don't know how he escaped? Well, it does say that he grabbed an air vent, so I'm guessing he crawled out of the facility through the ventilation system and caught a freighter to Lotho Minor. Either that or his legs hit the floor first and broke his fall, and then this happened. Quote
Brickadeer Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Well it's rather silly the way a 7-yo(son) and 9-yo(daughter) think. My son is convinced that Maul survived because as he fell down the shaft, his eyes were still open and his arms were still moving. He can't explain or account for how he was able to survive the fall. Of course my daughter argues that his arms were moving because he was falling and the wind was making them fall. She thinks he should be dead because he was cut in half. The arguing really comes in when they speculate what will happen in the next episode. According to my son, Darth Maul will betray Savage Oppress or Savage Oppress will betray Darth Maul. My daughter reasons that Savage didn't go to all the trouble of finding Maul just to betray him. They then argue about the Maul's legs and that they're robot legs like Anakin or spider legs. Interesting. He cites incidents of "being alive" - opene eyes, movement - as causes for survival, while your daughter says the movements could equally have been caused by external factors. Since for your son Maul's survival is a fact, a datum that can be observed, he doesn't have to bother with the question how he survived. How do they interpret the role of Mother Talzin? Are they aware of the fact that she sent Opress on his quest to find Maul, and do they wonder about her intentions? Quote
sok117 Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Not this "will to live" hippie crap again! IF thiscan be cannon, then Darth Maul surviving is honestly no big deal at all! Quote
Brickadeer Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) IF thiscan be cannon, then Darth Maul surviving is honestly no big deal at all! Well...when I saw ANH and the death of Obi Wan Kenobi for the first time, I thought that's just the way that Jedi die. I never wondered where his body went because, well, he was a Jedi! When Yoda died, this view had not to be modified; Yoda simply vanished like Obi Wan. Vader did not vanish, or at least, we could not see, because he was hidden by his armor. It appeared never to be inconsistent with the previous deaths, though. Curiously, it was Darth Maul who broke this pattern. Maul was simply cut in half. He didn't vanish, but, well, simply died. Ok, maybe he did not. Maybe he was revived. But I do not think that a revived Darth Maul is more awkward than an Obi Wan Kenobi that has become a force spirit and gives Luke instructions what he has to do next. Edited March 13, 2012 by Brickadeer Quote
LEGOman273 Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Well...when I saw ANH and the death of Obi Wan Kenobi for the first time, I thought that's just the way that Jedi die. I never wondered where his body went because, well, he was a Jedi! When Yoda died, this view had not to be modified; Yoda simply vanished like Obi Wan. Vader did not vanish, or at least, we could not see, because he was hidden by his armor. It appeared never to be inconsistent with the previous deaths, though. Curiously, it was Darth Maul who broke this pattern. Maul was simply cut in half. He didn't vanish, but, well, simply died. Ok, maybe he did not. Maybe he was revived. But I do not think that a revived Darth Maul is more awkward than an Obi Wan Kenobi that has become a force spirit and gives Luke instructions what he has to do next. True. Why are Jedi the only ones that can become Force Ghosts? Perhaps this will help to make the Light and Dark sides more equal, as they should be. Quote
Artanis I Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 True. Why are Jedi the only ones that can become Force Ghosts? Perhaps this will help to make the Light and Dark sides more equal, as they should be. Because Qui Gon Jinn only taught the ability to Obi Wan & Yoda. Why Anakin became a ghost is beyond me. Quote
Brickadeer Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Because Qui Gon Jinn only taught the ability to Obi Wan & Yoda. Why Anakin became a ghost is beyond me. Well...he was the Chosen One! Besides that, the appearance of Obi Wan and Yoda would have been unsatisfying. In the end, Vader made a choice, and prove had to be given that he made the right choice. Edited March 14, 2012 by Brickadeer Quote
LEGOman273 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Because Qui Gon Jinn only taught the ability to Obi Wan & Yoda. Why Anakin became a ghost is beyond me. Qui-Gon cannot have been the ONLY person to know this ability. The Jedi and Sith have been around for thousands of years, but he can figure out something that noone else could? And he was able to teach it to two people within 20 years. Also, the Father on Mortis became a Force Ghost when he died. Perhaps the reason Anakin became one was because he was The Chosen One. A quick check of Wookipedia reveals that some Sith can retain their identities after death. Also that Qui-Gon was NOT the only one to have this ability. Read more here. Interestingly, it states that Sith can become"Force Ghosts", but normally through objects such as Talismans. Note that Mother Talzin gave Savagé a Talisman to find Maul. Maul and Savagé are brothers, so perhaps Maul was given something to keep him alive. Though, if true, I don't know why he didn't return to Dathomir. Edit: And Mother Talzin knew that Maul was alive, that's why she sent Savagé to find him. I think that Mother Talzin could be behind Maul's survival. Edited March 14, 2012 by LEGOman273 Quote
Sir_Basil_Ashton Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 How do they interpret the role of Mother Talzin? Are they aware of the fact that she sent Opress on his quest to find Maul, and do they wonder about her intentions? Here's their interpretation on what has happened. They both believe that Darth Maul survived the fall in a manner similar as to how Luke fell in Cloud City and he pulled himself to a place where there was a lot of scrap metal/trash. This scrap metal/trash was taken from Naboo to Lotho Minor where Darth Maul fell into the hole where Savage Oppress finds him. Mother Talzin sees in her crystal ball that Darth Maul survived. My son believes that Talzin went to the planet to give him his legs and my daughter disagrees because she didn't send Savage Oppress directly to the planet. My son thinks she will make an appearance in the finale and Darth Maul will kill her. My daughter doesn't think she'll be seen. Quote
DarthR2-D2 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Well it's rather silly the way a 7-yo(son) and 9-yo(daughter) think. My son is convinced that Maul survived because as he fell down the shaft, his eyes were still open and his arms were still moving. He can't explain or account for how he was able to survive the fall. Of course my daughter argues that his arms were moving because he was falling and the wind was making them fall. She thinks he should be dead because he was cut in half. The arguing really comes in when they speculate what will happen in the next episode. According to my son, Darth Maul will betray Savage Oppress or Savage Oppress will betray Darth Maul. My daughter reasons that Savage didn't go to all the trouble of finding Maul just to betray him. They then argue about the Maul's legs and that they're robot legs like Anakin or spider legs. No, Heres what really happened, Maul what falling in the hole, then he fell into another hole and then grabbed onto a weather antennae at the last minute. (Like Luke did in ESB) [Maybe] that would be cool though! Quote
LEGOman273 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 No, Heres what really happened, Maul what falling in the hole, then he fell into another hole and then grabbed onto a weather antennae at the last minute. (Like Luke did in ESB) [Maybe] that would be cool though! But the shaft was in the ground. Hence the conduits carrying plasma from the planet's core. Quote
Sir_Basil_Ashton Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 I've been waiting since last Friday for new info to get posted. Thanks for sharing that link. Quote
Masked Builder Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Hm, his horns are fixed now. Maybe there's some magic involved there.... Quote
Fives Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 Hm, his horns are fixed now. Maybe there's some magic involved there.... Mother Talzin fixes him. Quote
Masked Builder Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 Mother Talzin fixes him. Yeah that's what I figured. Maybe he'll be a bit cooler this time around though. Quote
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