Big Cam Posted April 18, 2011 Posted April 18, 2011 I must say I am impressed, I thought I had a pretty good handle on all the roles, but you showed me some I've never heard of. The images take this over the top, and I praise your hard work.
JimBee Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 You mean 'from receiving iamded's silver bullets', right? Right. It has the same effect, but they aren't exactly the same, as the jailkeeper knows he's a jailkeeper, but the paranoid doctor thinks he was a doctor. Sorry for being a smartass. Ah. Not at all, I didn't even realize that. Then there's also the CPR doctor, who kills the person if they haven't been attacked. Oh yeah, that too. Good catch. Thanks for the updates, Alopex. It should be noted that there is a difference between Paranoid Doctors and Jailkeepers, as stated above, and that a Bodyguard only dies if their patient is targeted for a kill. Another role you might also want to add: Elite Bodyguard. Sorry if this seems like a lot, I don't mean to be a... backseat author if you will. Just trying to help.
RileyC Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 This is really good work Alopex! The info is pretty spot on even if I havent seen some of the roles in EB games. Then the vignettes just push this to a higher level. Great work and I think you've definitely set a standard for Draggy on the official handbook.
Rick Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 I really like the little vignettes you made Alopex. Nice work on those. As to adding roles and variations: at a certain point you're basically replicating mafiascum.net's role wiki. I don't know if that's what you're after, especially as EB users may consider it a complete list of roles, which is not the impression you want people to have because, as Draggy already indicated, hosts like to use home-brew or variations on existing roles in their games. But I can easily see these vigs being integrated into EB's mafia gamer's handbook (whenever that will be done and whatever it will be called then ) in the future.
Alopex Posted April 19, 2011 Author Posted April 19, 2011 Sorry if this seems like a lot, I don't mean to be a... backseat author if you will. Just trying to help. No problem. I really appreciate your help!
Ro87n Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Nice guide, but by reading all this isn't it too many stuff to remember?
def Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Nice guide, but by reading all this isn't it too many stuff to remember? Not if you want to play mafia. For observers, sure.
Peanuts Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Nice guide, but by reading all this isn't it too many stuff to remember? Not really, since it's all rather logical. The protector protects, the blocker blocks, the investigator investigates, paranoid investigators always get scum, naive ones always get town results, the usurper wants to kill the boss, the serial killer is neither town nor scum and so on. Btw, I'm missing the blocker on the scum side, it was invented as scum role, wasn't it?
Ro87n Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Not really, since it's all rather logical. The protector protects, the blocker blocks, the investigator investigates, paranoid investigators always get scum, naive ones always get town results, the usurper wants to kill the boss, the serial killer is neither town nor scum and so on. Btw, I'm missing the blocker on the scum side, it was invented as scum role, wasn't it? Yes it's seems logic. Still you need to keep in mind what action will be made and what can my next action be. Who to kill or who to protect and so on. Maybe it's because I haven't even play this kind of games (not even a card version named something with werewolfs of...?). I should not get involved before I can realy talk about it _OUT
JimBee Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 Yes it's seems logic. Still you need to keep in mind what action will be made and what can my next action be. Who to kill or who to protect and so on. Maybe it's because I haven't even play this kind of games (not even a card version named something with werewolfs of...?). I should not get involved before I can realy talk about it _OUT That's correct, you have to actually play the games in order to learn. I would imagine that it would be very difficult if you tried to learn just by watching, although that does help in the process. Perhaps you can join in the next Mafis School game once it comes around. And yes, the classic party game "Werewolf" is done in person, drawing cards to determine roles. It's what online mafia is based off of, I believe. You can learn more about Werewolf here.
Alopex Posted April 22, 2011 Author Posted April 22, 2011 Updated with Hunter, and Paranoid doctor. Masons, and Cult will come soon!
The Legonater Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Perhaps you should add the strange variation of the investigator role in Red Scare, though I'm not exactly sure what that's called.
Alopex Posted April 22, 2011 Author Posted April 22, 2011 Perhaps you should add the strange variation of the investigator role in Red Scare, though I'm not exactly sure what that's called. Isn't Red Scare Mystery a Mystery game?
Peanuts Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Isn't Red Scare Mystery a Mystery game? Yes, and, even more, it's a currently running game. I think it's a bad idea to include parts of current games.
Bob Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Perhaps you should add the strange variation of the investigator role in Red Scare, though I'm not exactly sure what that's called. Am I missing something here? Everything will be explained at the end. By the way, I read this earlier, and the subsequent updates, but this is very nicely made! I like the vignettes added as well, and this will no doubt help newbie mafia players.
CMP Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Am I missing something here? Everything will be explained at the end. The part about Dolores Jefferson, who is believed to be investigator/blocker, which I find fairly off, and it's not a real named role. I wouldn't add it. You should have a description of Bastard Roles.
smittyfan Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 Very nice handbook! the pictures for it, and the mini-stoyline make it easier to understand than the actual Mafia Wiki.
def Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 The part about Dolores Jefferson, who is believed to be investigator/blocker, which I find fairly off, and it's not a real named role. I wouldn't add it. You should have a description of Bastard Roles. Without meta gaming too much, keep in mind, Bob is not running a mafia game, but a 'mystery game', meaning none of the traditional roles should apply to his game. I'm actually kind of disappointed at the number of 'mafia' roles that have popped up. But I'll touch on that after the game is done.
Donut Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Thanks for putting this together. It was a very fun and informative read.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 I feel this thread should be revived purely based on the basis that everybody playing a mafia game or wanting to play a mafia game should read this or even have this pinned. There are some omissions in the handbook and some roles which haven't appeared before yet could give inspiration to future hosts. you can always talk to me about some of the other roles or ideas.
Hinckley Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Lovers And though he was Mafia and she was Town, they knew it would be best together. Then, leaving behind the bloody corpses of the two warring sides to rot, they walked away towards the red sunrise... The Lovers are a pair of players, one a Townie, and the other a Mafia Goon. They can win with their own team, or together. If one dies the other one commits suicide the next night. This is the definition of treacherous lovers. Lovers are usually two Townies. They don't always kill themselves if the other dies. Sometimes they are just a device that confirms one play to another so there are Townies that have a reason to trust each other from the beginning. A mini-informed minority to form a small voting block.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 What about the Seductress class? Its not in here.
Hinckley Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 What about the Seductress class? Its not in here. What is that? Something from Heroica?
Fred Daniel Yam Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 A seductress is a female role which starts of as a lover, but has the ability to make more lovers in the night, when she is lynched, all her lovers die. She is a mafia role and has not been played in EB mafia games before.
Dragonator Posted October 19, 2011 Posted October 19, 2011 A seductress is a female role which starts of as a lover, but has the ability to make more lovers in the night, when she is lynched, all her lovers die. She is a mafia role and has not been played in EB mafia games before. If you're going to be that picky, I could come up with an easy 50 roles that haven't been used in EB Mafia before. I believe Alopex was just intending to outline basic roles here.
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