CMP Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 3 more votes needed to send this commie back to hell.
Brickdoctor Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Clearing up Dolores does make Captain Garrison the top suspect, but other than that, how do we now have more evidence against him?
CMP Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Clearing up Dolores does make Captain Garrison the top suspect, but other than that, how do we now have more evidence against him? We don't have more than before. But we must reach a conviction.
Lord Arjay Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I’m quickly losing any sympathy I had for you all. Yes, there likely is still another communist among our group, but I don't know about you, but we have absolutely no leads as to who that is. Furthermore I'm nearly 100% positive at least one newcomer is a communist, we have a CIA note saying so and I doubt we'd get a bunch of people to help our search no strings attached. Krista's given us no reason to suspect her. You have. Is there any reason to believe Maxwell wasn’t the newcomer communist? There must have been a reason that everyone else was revealed except from him. Even Frankie - who was killed the very same night - has been found as a loyal American. So claiming that it’s between me and Krista simply isn’t true. And please, your killing hasn't done us any good at all. Neither has Ralph, but Gloria has been in communication with her, if he'd wanted to kill someone with a night action he would've gone for her. He hasn't, which is pretty vigilante behavior to me. I killed two silent members of our group (one of which may have been a commie) and a lunatic who wanted to blow things up. Saying that my kills have been unhelpful when you don’t even have any reasoning to believe that Maxwell wasn’t scum is silly. And maybe you just left Stanley because he would've arrested you too, Stanley obviously had no intention of arresting me. if he's a vigilante and we vote him out, we get rid of a chance of accidentally killing one of our own I’ve already said I shall not be killing if I am presented another opportunity to do so. Chief Phelps could've thrown the knife, which inadvertently stabbed Valerie. No he couldn’t have, I just proved it. Maybe you’ll see what I mean if I draw a diagram? It’s rather crude, but you should be able to get the message. It is proven already that the positions shown in my diagram are accurate. Therefore, in order for Chief Phelps to have been the “Unknown Communist”, he would have been required to outrun the knife he just threw. It’s pretty unlikely he was capable of that. And again, look at this: The two blacked out figures are clearly communists. Valerie was already dead at the time. Phelps wasn’t, however he could only account for one person. That’s even more evidence that at least one person among the original group is a communist – and it’s not Officer Fields. Need I remined all of you that there were no kills that night, save for the death of that NPC solider. Does Dr LIoyd not count then? If he does, then that statement is a blatant lie. Please be sure of your facts next time. While this revelation about Dolores is interesting, it’s more likely to be an honest mistake than anything else. I have an idea on who the other communist is, but I want to check some things first.
CMP Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Is there any reason to believe Maxwell wasn’t the newcomer communist? There must have been a reason that everyone else was revealed except from him. Even Frankie - who was killed the very same night - has been found as a loyal American. So claiming that it’s between me and Krista simply isn’t true. I'd like to ask the Congressman what happened to the investigation of Maxwell Toun's body. Yea, but you're still a killer. Who's more likely to be a commie, a seemingly actionless newcomer, or a killer newcomer? I killed two silent members of our group (one of which may have been a commie) and a lunatic who wanted to blow things up. Saying that my kills have been unhelpful when you don’t even have any reasoning to believe that Maxwell wasn’t scum is silly. Who says anyone wanted to blow anything up? Killing townies isn't helpful, unless they're killers who have killed townies. Or if they're commie killers who have killed townies. You fit both categories. Stanley obviously had no intention of arresting me. Prove it. I’ve already said I shall not be killing if I am presented another opportunity to do so. You can't undo the deaths you've caused, and you still might be a commie. No he couldn’t have, I just proved it. Maybe you’ll see what I mean if I draw a diagram? It’s rather crude, but you should be able to get the message. It is proven already that the positions shown in my diagram are accurate. Therefore, in order for Chief Phelps to have been the “Unknown Communist”, he would have been required to outrun the knife he just threw. It’s pretty unlikely he was capable of that. The two blacked out figures are clearly communists. Valerie was already dead at the time. Phelps wasn’t, however he could only account for one person. That’s even more evidence that at least one person among the original group is a communist – and it’s not Officer Fields. Yea, I believe the first statement about Phelps, along with your observation. Of course, I believe there is still at least one commie among the original townies, along with one within the remaining newcomers. But you're the best shot we have at anything right now. Personally, I'm not suspicious of any of the original townies at the moment. While this revelation about Dolores is interesting, it’s more likely to be an honest mistake than anything else. I have an idea on who the other communist is, but I want to check some things first. Maybe you should say it now, as your plea bargain. You might be in time to save yourself. I'm not unvoting.
The Legonater Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 So have we really gotten any further than where we were at chapter 12 a few hours ago? We've figured out that we have two more commies, which effectivly puts us dead in our tracks unless we get another chapter a second chance from Stanley- and we have to guess right in either case. We have two new arrivals, Garrison and Krista. The former has puton quite a show and has the ability to kill, the other has been fairly quiet. Other than those two facts, there's little proof either way. Then we have a few other suspects, and a few confirmed townies. Falzone couldn't be the thrower, as he was behind Phelps. Behind him is someone in black- either Fields, dad, Ralph, Harrison or Cain. Fields has admitted being a protector, which has no evidence backing it up. Sis and I are Trackers and Watchers, respectivly. Delores is a invetigator/blocker, with Fields as evidence to the latter. Garrison is some sort of killer and someone else who's name escapes me is the viligante.
CMP Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 So have we really gotten any further than where we were at chapter 12 a few hours ago? We've figured out that we have two more commies, which effectivly puts us dead in our tracks unless we get another chapter a second chance from Stanley- and we have to guess right in either case. We have two new arrivals, Garrison and Krista. The former has puton quite a show and has the ability to kill, the other has been fairly quiet. Other than those two facts, there's little proof either way. Then we have a few other suspects, and a few confirmed townies. Falzone couldn't be the thrower, as he was behind Phelps. Behind him is someone in black- either Fields, dad, Ralph, Harrison or Cain. Fields has admitted being a protector, which has no evidence backing it up. Sis and I are Trackers and Watchers, respectivly. Delores is a invetigator/blocker, with Fields as evidence to the latter. Garrison is some sort of killer and someone else who's name escapes me is the viligante. Ralph Jenkins is the other. I didn't kill Valerie. (But personally I thank whoever did. Even if they were aiming for the mayor. ) And I'm mostly proven innocent by the fact I broke up a commie meeting. And unless God is an absolute megablocks, I don't think there's any third party. I wouldn't have anything to gain by admitting I'm a protector anyway.
The Legonater Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Ralph Jenkins is the other. I didn't kill Valerie. (But personally I thank whoever did. Even if they were aiming for the mayor. ) And I'm mostly proven innocent by the fact I broke up a commie meeting. And unless God is an absolute megablocks, I don't think there's any third party. I wouldn't have anything to gain by admitting I'm a protector anyway. In that case, I hope Ralph wasn't the one behind Falzone- it wouldn't get us much further. On that other part, you've got a point. I still am not sure about Krista- she could be playing the quiet act. She hasn't been very open.
Brickdoctor Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I really don't believe Captain Garrison is Communist. If he is, he is a very good actor. Although he has proven that his is a good actor/liar in past games. His reasoning concerning the remaining amount of scum is sound, but he could just be finding the facts that support his claims, because if he is a Communist he already knows how many there are. On the other hand, as Captain Garrison himself said, Officer Fields is very likely not Communist, and I agree with his statement that reaching a conviction is our only hope.
Professor Flitwick Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Does Dr LIoyd not count then? If he does, then that statement is a blatant lie. Please be sure of your facts next time. No, he didn't die that night. We found him several chapters hours later, remember? Not to mention Bob confirmed Burman's death as a Modkill due to inactivity.
Lord Arjay Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Yea, but you're still a killer. Who's more likely to be a commie, a seemingly actionless newcomer, or a killer newcomer? That’s a complete simplification. The unknown factor is Maxwell, who very well could be a communist. Why would you ignore that and push a flawed situation? Who says anyone wanted to blow anything up? Ted Harding suggested destruction a couple of times if I am remembering correctly. That’s beside the point though. Killing townies isn't helpful, unless they're killers who have killed townies. Or if they're commie killers who have killed townies. You fit both categories. I didn’t say all of my kills were helpful. The thing is that I’ve killed one potential communist. Ralph has killed a total of no potential communists. There cannot be certainty about the overall accuracy of my killing, whereas you can be certain that Ralph has failed miserably at taking revenge – if that was his motive. Prove it. Honestly? I’m not a mind-reader. However, you can take the fact that he told you to unhand me as a pretty big hint that he wasn’t then going to include me in X-K2P. along with one within the remaining newcomers. So you’re absolutely sure Maxwell wasn’t a commie? Maybe you should say it now, as your plea bargain. Vote: Farmer Alan/Fugazi Look at this vote count: Vote Count: Matt Liebenston (Dragonator): 1; (Shadows) Dolores Jefferson (Def): 2; (Captain Genero, JimButcher) Chief Ryan Phelps (JimButcher): 10; (Def, Cralegoboy, Flitwick, Legonater, Walter Kovacs, Adm.Ron, Capt. John Paul, CorneliusMurdock, The Crazy One, iamded) No Vote Placed: 12; (JCC1004, CallMePie, brickme, Burman, Fugazi, Dragonator) I trust everyone who voted against Phelps and is still alive to an extent, except Ackerson - but he has been cleared by Dolores (I think). Although Dieter’s useless, we searched his house. He had a written diary which made him look innocent. He could have faked it, but going to that much effort seems silly. Of the non-voters, four remain. I think Fields is pretty much cleared, as is Liebenston. I’m pretty sure Harrison had been framed at some point, and two commies in the police force is unlikely. This leaves us with Farmer Alan. Didn’t Alan also live nearby to an entrance to the tunnels, the same tunnels that Frankie told us were being used by the commies to kill people? I’m sure at some point he was mentioned by the mayor as being in a group of his suspects aswell. I’ve not had time to check all my facts yet but since you asked, this currently seems like a good choice from my standpoint. Not to mention Bob confirmed Burman's death as a Modkill due to inactivity. Oh yeah. Well, we apparently have two protectors, a blocker, and someone else who blocks in addition to their main action. Is it impossible one of them prevented the kill?
CorneliusMurdock Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Oh yeah. Well, we apparently have two protectors, a blocker, and someone else who blocks in addition to their main action. Is it impossible one of them prevented the kill? I never prevented any kills. Every time I blocked I was told if my target was goin' to do somethin' or not. The only time I actually succeeded in blockin' anyone was when I blocked a protector. If I'd blocked a killer, I'd 've told you guys by now. Since they haven't spoken up and since if you paid attention to who I have spoken to in private, I'll now reveal who they are. Officer Harrison is the second protector. The night I blocked him he was goin' to protect the Inspector. The night before he protected Chief Phelps and this was when his badge turned up the next day. I'm still not completely convinced of his innocence but there you go. I do find it strange that both protectors are on the police force. Serve and Protect, I guess. As for Farmer Simmons, I had my doubts at the beginnin' as well when we found the tunnels so close to his farm. But he really has helped us and been enthusiastic in searchin' for clues the last few days. Besides the tunnels and the vote, you have any other speculation?
The Legonater Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Didn’t Alan also live nearby to an entrance to the tunnels, the same tunnels that Frankie told us were being used by the commies to kill people? I’m sure at some point he was mentioned by the mayor as being in a group of his suspects aswell. I’ve not had time to check all my facts yet but since you asked, this currently seems like a good choice from my standpoint. Blast, you're right. And that tunnelw as connected to a jail cell- escape method perhaps? This is adding up against him all too well.
Lord Arjay Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I never prevented any kills. Every time I blocked I was told if my target was goin' to do somethin' or not. The only time I actually succeeded in blockin' anyone was when I blocked a protector. If I'd blocked a killer, I'd 've told you guys by now. Since they haven't spoken up and since if you paid attention to who I have spoken to in private, I'll now reveal who they are. Officer Harrison is the second protector. The night I blocked him he was goin' to protect the Inspector. The night before he protected Chief Phelps and this was when his badge turned up the next day. I'm still not completely convinced of his innocence but there you go. I do find it strange that both protectors are on the police force. Serve and Protect, I guess. Oh. I agree that does seem a bit ridiculous, having two protectors in the police force. It’s possible Harrison is the other commie and not Simmons, but that badge thing seemed like a framing to me – and two members of the police force commies? I think two protectors is a little bit more likely, though neither are the most plausible of situations. But he really has helped us and been enthusiastic in searchin' for clues the last few days. I thought so too, but process of elimination points to him as a third original commie from the group and combined with the tunnels he’s quite suspicious. Beyond that, there’s the speculation the mayor made about the attempt on his life being caused by one of a group which included Simmons. Not really solid, but it made sense. Finally (this was the main thing I wanted to check) I’m pretty sure he was one of those who had the same shoe size as those mysterious footprints earlier on. A lot of people also did, but that's yet another time that he was mentioned in a group of potential spies.
Fugazi Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I thought so too, but process of elimination points to him as a third original commie from the group and combined with the tunnels he’s quite suspicious. Beyond that, there’s the speculation the mayor made about the attempt on his life being caused by one of a group which included Simmons. Not really solid, but it made sense. Finally (this was the main thing I wanted to check) I’m pretty sure he was one of those who had the same shoe size as those mysterious footprints earlier on. A lot of people also did, but that's yet another time that he was mentioned in a group of potential spies. Interesting analysis, although it looks more like someone is clutching at straws to find suspects. The Mayor did include me in a list of people who could have been responsible for Valerie's death, only because I was privy to a conversation about possible suspects. But frankly the Mayor was very active back then and a prime target regardless of what he might have said in private. The tunnels have an access beyond my farmland in a building that does not belong to me and to which I do not have access. Anyone could come and go through there without me knowing anything. And I do wear size 9 shoes, like more than half of the people present here. I asked about shoe sizes myself more than once. Anything more substantial?
Lord Arjay Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Interesting analysis, although it looks more like someone is clutching at straws to find suspects. I am trying to find suspects, and we do have very little to go on. Almost everyone is doing the same, which is why a few fingers have pointed at me. It’s more useful than the alternative, not trying to find any suspects at all. The Mayor did include me in a list of people who could have been responsible for Valerie's death, only because I was privy to a conversation about possible suspects. But frankly the Mayor was very active back then and a prime target regardless of what he might have said in private. True, however it could also be interpreted as a sign that one of the group he named were a commie. His theory made a lot of sense. The tunnels have an access beyond my farmland in a building that does not belong to me and to which I do not have access. Anyone could come and go through there without me knowing anything. Well, we only have your word for it - which doesn’t mean much. And I do wear size 9 shoes, like more than half of the people present here. Let’s check the list again, shall we? The only people with a size nine shoe are: Captain Harding, Farmer Alan, Patrick Jefferson, Chief Fields, Judge Cain, Mayor Bradford, and Councilman Ackerson. The footprints go to the window first, judging by the trajectory. It is almost undeniable the footprints were caused by a commie. Which of the people on that above list is a communist if not you? Process of elimination points straight in your direction, yet again. I asked about shoe sizes myself more than once. Yes you did. Point being? Anything more substantial? Given that someone had just asked me exactly that, I clearly don’t. Have you just joined the discussion to defend yourself and not contribute any opinions?
Peanuts Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I still am not sure about Krista- she could be playing the quiet act. She hasn't been very open. Excuse me, but I wouldn't say I was that quite. I would guess, that I'm talking enough to be at least in the upper half of our group. Of course not everyone can talk as much as you. Ted Harding suggested destruction a couple of times if I am remembering correctly. That’s beside the point though. If people who suggest destruction are commies, we should move Stevie at the top of our suspicion list. I’m pretty sure Harrison had been framed at some point, and two commies in the police force is unlikely. I wouldn't be that sure about Harrison. Actually, it's interesting how much there is against him: -He is very silent and hasn't said a word for several chapters hours or days or whatevers. -He talked privately with the Chief in 3a. I know this doesn't say he's a communist, but maybe he wanted to clear something that couldn't wait for the night? No idea. -When you found the boat, Phelps kept the rifle and the pistol and handed Harrison the ammo. If they were both scum, it would be a good move to fake security. -The well-known and a bit too obvious badge -He was rather early to vote for Dolores (the 5th) -he didn't vote for Phelps at all, as you pointed out I also got another theory: What if Phelps was able to convert people to commies? What if the commies had the choice between a killer and Phelps, the converter? They usually used Phelps to recruit further commies, but once they attempted a kill on the mayor. But they didn't know, the killer was no normal killer, but would always miss his target and kill someone else accidently. Findig out that their killer was not only useless, but had even killed one of them, they decided to always use Phelps action. When Phelps was voted off, Garrison was sent as reinforcement, since the commies had now neither a good killer nor a converter. Being a well-trained army man, Garrison would always get the right target and replace the former weak killer. It may sound a bit weird, but I tried to find a logical explanation for all this.
The Legonater Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I also got another theory: What if Phelps was able to convert people to commies? What if the commies had the choice between a killer and Phelps, the converter? They usually used Phelps to recruit further commies, but once they attempted a kill on the mayor. But they didn't know, the killer was no normal killer, but would always miss his target and kill someone else accidently. Findig out that their killer was not only useless, but had even killed one of them, they decided to always use Phelps action. When Phelps was voted off, Garrison was sent as reinforcement, since the commies had now neither a good killer nor a converter. Being a well-trained army man, Garrison would always get the right target and replace the former weak killer. It may sound a bit weird, but I tried to find a logical explanation for all this. Personally, I find that a bit-farfetched. But I'm open to theories- we really have few theories.
Peanuts Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I am trying to find suspects, and we do have very little to go on. Almost everyone is doing the same, which is why a few fingers have pointed at me. It’s more useful than the alternative, not trying to find any suspects at all. True, however it could also be interpreted as a sign that one of the group he named were a commie. His theory made a lot of sense. Well, we only have your word for it - which doesn’t mean much. Let’s check the list again, shall we? It is almost undeniable the footprints were caused by a commie. Which of the people on that above list is a communist if not you? Process of elimination points straight in your direction, yet again. Yes you did. Point being? Given that someone had just asked me exactly that, I clearly don’t. Have you just joined the discussion to defend yourself and not contribute any opinions? Also good accumulation of evidence. Can't disprove it, so it puts Simmons directly next to you on my suspicion list. Personally, I find that a bit-farfetched. But I'm open to theories- we really have few theories. I know, it just occured me. But we know there was a killer who missed his target, and we know there were no attempts until Garrison came. This points to a converter.
Brickdoctor Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 So who are our suspects now? -Harrison -Garrison -Simmons Right? Personally I think we shouldn't vote off Harrison yet. If he's inactive, perhaps he'll be modkilled he'll get killed otherwise. I think that for now, voting him off might be a waste of our chance to vote someone off. As for the other two, we do need a conviction, so I will for now Vote: Captain Garrison (Lord Arjay). Just because not voting anyone off would also be a waste of our chance to vote. Plus his main accuser is Officer Fields, who Captain Garrison himself showed is probably trustworthy.
The Legonater Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I know, it just occured me. But we know there was a killer who missed his target, and we know there were no attempts until Garrison came. This points to a converter. I think that just about solves it.
Peanuts Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I think that just about solves it. I'm afraid don't get what you mean.
The Legonater Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I'm afraid don't get what you mean. You said there were no attempts untill Garrison came. Obviously that means he's the killer. Right?
Brickdoctor Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 You said there were no attempts untill Garrison came. Obviously that means he's the killer. Right? Well we know he's a killer. He himself claims to be a killer. The only question is whether he's a vigilante or a Communist killer.
The Legonater Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Well we know he's a killer. He himself claims to be a killer. The only question is whether he's a vigilante or a Communist killer. I meant the Commie killer. Unless the Mayor was a commie, I doubt a vigiliante would attack him. Who says anyone wanted to blow anything up? Whatever it was, it wasn't me- I promise!
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