CorneliusMurdock Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 All of the deaths so far can be explained by the claims of the two vigilantes or acts of god, except for the death of Valerie Jenkins. So it can be safely assumed that either the commie killer is dead or otherwise incapacitated, or that one of the vigilantes is lying. We don’t know for sure that the commies still have the means to kill. What we do know however is that they can frame. They attempted to frame Officer Harrison using his badge, and Mayor Bradford using stolen money. It cannot be denied that these appear to be night actions. So instead of looking for a commie killer that may or may not exist, I suggest that we try to find a commie framer, who has to exist. Someone who has targeted Officer Harrison on Night 2 and Mayor Bradford just before we went to the hills (Chapter 10). It's not much, but I think that if we're looking in the right direction we stand a better chance of finding the commies. If the commie killer is dead, who was it? Valerie and Phelps are the only two confirmed commies. Unless Valerie had some sorta magic boomerang knife, she couldn't kill herself and Phelps was shown behind the mayor at the time of the incident. If their killer is indeed dead, then we have been lied to with the allegiance of one of the fallen. Would god do such a thing? Who knows. You do raise a good point though. What has their killer been up to? Like has been said before, have they targeted someone who was protected every night? Fields claims to only have protected himself. Maybe they tried killin' him every night. I don't think he stood out that much to appear as that much of a threat. Maybe they thought he might shoot one of them by accident or somethin' with him bein' so trigger happy. I'm still pretty sure I didn't block them. As for the framin', I've explained that Harrison told me that he was protectin' Phelps the night he lost his badge. Is that a coincidence? Oh, and wasn't the note with that money on the roof addressed to Ackerson not the mayor? Speakin' of the Mayor, can someone nudge him or somethin'. I think he might have fallen asleep.
CMP Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Speakin' of the Mayor, can someone nudge him or somethin'. I think he might have fallen asleep. If that's the case, then Shneider's in a coma...
CorneliusMurdock Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 If that's the case, then Shneider's in a coma... Maybe someone should check his pulse.
Brickdoctor Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Well if the Commie killer is dead, then that also gives us little reason to convict Captain Garrison, right?
CMP Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Well if the Commie killer is dead, then that also gives us little reason to convict Captain Garrison, right? Who the hell said the commie killer is dead?
Brickdoctor Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Who the hell said the commie killer is dead? All of the deaths so far can be explained by the claims of the two vigilantes or acts of god, except for the death of Valerie Jenkins. So it can be safely assumed that either the commie killer is dead or otherwise incapacitated, or that one of the vigilantes is lying. We don’t know for sure that the commies still have the means to kill. If the commie killer is dead, who was it? Valerie and Phelps are the only two confirmed commies. Unless Valerie had some sorta magic boomerang knife, she couldn't kill herself and Phelps was shown behind the mayor at the time of the incident. If their killer is indeed dead, then we have been lied to with the allegiance of one of the fallen. Would god do such a thing? Who knows. You do raise a good point though. What has their killer been up to? Like has been said before, have they targeted someone who was protected every night? Fields claims to only have protected himself. Maybe they tried killin' him every night. I don't think he stood out that much to appear as that much of a threat. Maybe they thought he might shoot one of them by accident or somethin' with him bein' so trigger happy. I'm still pretty sure I didn't block them. Just continuing on that line of speculation. And I said "if the Commie killer is dead".
CMP Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Maybe one of more quiet people is the killer. I haven't heard Shneider say a word in a week. Maybe he's the commie killer. That's all I can think of, I doubt the commie killer would try to kill me every night.
Brickdoctor Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Maybe one of more quiet people is the killer. I haven't heard Shneider say a word in a week. Maybe he's the commie killer. That's all I can think of, I doubt the commie killer would try to kill me every night. Could be, but as I've said before, convicting someone who might be modkilled get killed by fate is a waste of a vote in my opinion.
CMP Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Could be, but as I've said before, convicting someone who might be modkilled get killed by fate is a waste of a vote in my opinion. Which is why I stick with my vote for Garrisson. Commie or not, we could do with one less killer.
Brickdoctor Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Which is why I stick with my vote for Garrisson. Commie or not, we could do with one less killer. I think I agree with you. Though it's been a pretty convincing argument from both sides the whole time, and I think convicting who we think is a vigilante might be depriving ourselves of a chance to strike back at night.
Peanuts Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 We don’t know for sure that the commies still have the means to kill. What we do know however is that they can frame. They attempted to frame Officer Harrison using his badge, and Mayor Bradford using stolen money. It cannot be denied that these appear to be night actions. So instead of looking for a commie killer that may or may not exist, I suggest that we try to find a commie framer, who has to exist. Someone who has targeted Officer Harrison on Night 2 and Mayor Bradford just before we went to the hills (Chapter 10). It's not much, but I think that if we're looking in the right direction we stand a better chance of finding the commies. Do we really know that for sure? I don't know what the badge was about, but it doesn't have to be a framing. And about the money, I doubt the commies would try and smuggle lots of gold into our country just to frame Ackerson. It might be, that Ackerson was really bribed by someone, but since he's cleared I doubt he's a communist either. The evidence is there for anyone to find, I merely looked for it and presented it to everyone. You can go find it yourself and see that everything I have said is correct. Would my accusation be any more convincing had someone you trusted brought it up? If so, then your logic is severely flawed. I don't say I would be more convinced if somebody I trust presented it, I said I would be more convinced if somebody who isn't few votes away from his arrestion presented it. That's a crucial difference.
Fugazi Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 If the commie killer is dead, who was it? Valerie and Phelps are the only two confirmed commies. Unless Valerie had some sorta magic boomerang knife, she couldn't kill herself and Phelps was shown behind the mayor at the time of the incident. If their killer is indeed dead, then we have been lied to with the allegiance of one of the fallen. Would god do such a thing? Who knows. You do raise a good point though. What has their killer been up to? Like has been said before, have they targeted someone who was protected every night? Fields claims to only have protected himself. Maybe they tried killin' him every night. I don't think he stood out that much to appear as that much of a threat. Maybe they thought he might shoot one of them by accident or somethin' with him bein' so trigger happy. I'm still pretty sure I didn't block them. As for the framin', I've explained that Harrison told me that he was protectin' Phelps the night he lost his badge. Is that a coincidence? Oh, and wasn't the note with that money on the roof addressed to Ackerson not the mayor? My mistake, the note was indeed directed at Ackerson. Though the way it was written did suggest that the money could have been sent by the Mayor. I don't know, Valerie was killed by mistake and the knife ricocheted off the Mayor so maybe she stupidly stabbed herself? Another possibility is that the commie killer had only one chance at killing and wasted it on the Mayor. Do we really know that for sure? I don't know what the badge was about, but it doesn't have to be a framing. And about the money, I doubt the commies would try and smuggle lots of gold into our country just to frame Ackerson. It might be, that Ackerson was really bribed by someone, but since he's cleared I doubt he's a communist either. If it isn't framing, I don't know what to call it. Officer Harrison's badge was found on a box 'bound for the Soviet Union'. The notes left with both the badge and the money were written by the same person, so they appear to be planned actions. And the commies didn't need to smuggle any money, didn't you notice the staggering amount of corruption money and gold hidden about in Alabatha? Any of us would have been able to find the raw material required to pull this off. Now I don't think that being framed clears someone of suspicion. The framer could have framed himself to confuse us. However Will Ackerson is likely to be on our side.
Bob Posted April 27, 2011 Author Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Captain Garrison / Lord Arjay 4(CallMePie, The Legonater, Cralegoboy, Admiral Ron, Farmer Alan / Fugazi 1(Lord Arjay) Dieter Schneider / Shadows 2 (Bob, Bob) Reason For Edit: Fixed an Error. Edited April 27, 2011 by Bob the Construction Man
Peanuts Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 If it isn't framing, I don't know what to call it. Officer Harrison's badge was found on a box 'bound for the Soviet Union'. The notes left with both the badge and the money were written by the same person, so they appear to be planned actions. And the commies didn't need to smuggle any money, didn't you notice the staggering amount of corruption money and gold hidden about in Alabatha? Any of us would have been able to find the raw material required to pull this off. Now I don't think that being framed clears someone of suspicion. The framer could have framed himself to confuse us. However Will Ackerson is likely to be on our side. Oh, I hadn't noticed that the handwritings are the same. So I have to admit this sounds like framing. The idea of a framer framing himself is intriguing, but you are most propably right about Ackerson. Captain Garrison / Lord Arjay 4(CallMePie, The Legonater, Cralegoboy, Admiral Ron, Farmer Alan / Fugazi 1(Lord Arjay) Dieter Schneider / Shadows 2 (Bob, Bob) Reason For Edit: Fixed an Error. What about me? I had voted for Garrison as well.
iamded Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 It might be, that Ackerson was really bribed by someone, but since he's cleared I doubt he's a communist either. If someone tried to bribe me, they sure didn't tell me anything about it...
Peanuts Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 If someone tried to bribe me, they sure didn't tell me anything about it... I know, I already acknowledged you were most propably framed. Well, I think we won't come any further if we don't just vote. I have serious doubts that we will get any further evidence, I suggest we just vote off Garrison. It can't be that bad to have a killer less, and it's unlikely we have two vigilantes.
Brickdoctor Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Well, I think we won't come any further if we don't just vote. I have serious doubts that we will get any further evidence, I suggest we just vote off Garrison. It can't be that bad to have a killer less, and it's unlikely we have two vigilantes. That's a good point; you and Officer Fields have won my vote. I will, therefore, Vote: Captain Garrison (Lord Arjay).
iamded Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Alright fine. I've been reserved about voting for the Captain, but gosh darnit it seems his fate is pretty much sealed, and I sure don't want to be empty-handed when we're caught... Vote: Captain Garrison (Lord Arjay)
Bob Posted April 27, 2011 Author Posted April 27, 2011 Captain Garrison / Lord Arjay 7(CallMePie, The Legonater, Cralegoboy, Admiral Ron, iamded, Peanuts, Brickdoctor)
Brickdoctor Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 Captain Garrison / Lord Arjay 7(CallMePie, The Legonater, Cralegoboy, Admiral Ron, iamded, Peanuts, Brickdoctor) What happened to the other votes? Or are you just listing these because they're the only changes?
Lord Arjay Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 Harding was killed by a vigilante himself, not a commie. Yep, though hardly anyone takes into consideration that fact. Harding pretty much said that someone in the government was the vigilante and I've claimed the kill - though apparently people want to ignore this. Oh well. As for your defence, you raise some good points. The problem is, your defence is basically that my points can be interpreted in a different way. While this is true, it still does not get rid of the fact that process of elimination leaves you as the member of the original group I trust the least. I wouldn't be suprised if Fields or a couple of others had been converted at some point (though he could just be incredibly stubborn) but I'm certain he was never originally a commie. I think I agree with you. Though it's been a pretty convincing argument from both sides the whole time, and I think convicting who we think is a vigilante might be depriving ourselves of a chance to strike back at night. Although I would prefer if you didn't vote me, I have repeatedly said that I shall not be killing again if I am presented the opportunity - so convicting me will not deprive you of anything in the night action department. I don't say I would be more convinced if somebody I trust presented it, I said I would be more convinced if somebody who isn't few votes away from his arrestion presented it. That's a crucial difference. Different words used to describe the situation, however the logic remains flawed. Obviously, someone who is near conviction is going to have more of an incentive to actively look for the real communists. Your thought process could be applied had I claimed to have investigated Alan and found him guilty, but that is not the case. None of my accusation relies on information directly from me to be true, as there is no information directly from me. Anyone could have made the argument and it should have remained as convincing as it was when I brought it up. It can't be that bad to have a killer less, What sort of nonsense is this? It's bad in the way that you are wasting what might be your last opportunity to make the right choice and if you do get another shot before Stanley catches up then you've lost yet another loyal American. Alright fine. I've been reserved about voting for the Captain, but gosh darnit it seems his fate is pretty much sealed, and I sure don't want to be empty-handed when we're caught... Vote: Captain Garrison (Lord Arjay) Completely correct, unfortunately for me. A few of the more vocal members of our group seem unable to picture any scenario in which I am not a commie and thus it looks impossible to achieve a better alternative conviction. Others are settling for the argument that because I am a killer, it would be a good thing to get rid of me anyway - which is a damn silly argument as I'm pretty sure we have to get this conviction right. Meh, it's clear the discussion isn't progressing any further. While the idea of a framer seems possible, I doubt we would be able to gain informtation as to who it was and if I found something, no-one would believe me. I think it's time everyone took a solid stance, and if that stance does not lead to my conviction then perhaps it would be possible for this group to actually discuss and convict a commie instead of making a huge mistake. I will say that the people (if any) who are simply voting me because that is what the majority is insistant upon should reconsider and vote for what they feel is the best choice. There's no use in resigning yourself to a fate of imprisonment.
Brickdoctor Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 I have repeatedly said that I shall not be killing again if I am presented the opportunity - so convicting me will not deprive you of anything in the night action department. In that case, I really have no second thoughts about voting you. Others seem convinced that you're a Commie, and I hope they're right, and that convicting you can at least give us some idea of what to do should the Commies still be around after your conviction, if we get another chance at this.
Fugazi Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 Yep, though hardly anyone takes into consideration that fact. Harding pretty much said that someone in the government was the vigilante and I've claimed the kill - though apparently people want to ignore this. Oh well. Well you're in the Army, I'm not sure that qualifies as the government. However after Harding revealed this piece of information, you go and kill Maxwell Touns who does hold a position in the government. The problem I find with the arguments you use against me is that you didn't use them to select your night targets. Why didn't you go after me, or after any of those who were suspected by the Mayor? Moreover, of your three targets Cain and Harding had size 9 shoes, but Harding also had a peg leg. Harding and Touns were newcomers, yet you insist that one of the citizens present at the start of this ordeal is the surviving commie. You may be right, but I don't understand you attacking me on those grounds when you don't trust your own arguments enough to act upon them. Ralph went and fired on people I could have suspected myself. What you did was to kill barely active people with little evidence to support your actions. Vote: Captain Garrison (Lord Arjay).
Bob Posted April 28, 2011 Author Posted April 28, 2011 What happened to the other votes? Or are you just listing these because they're the only changes? They were only listed because they are the only changes. Captain Garrison / Lord Arjay 8(CallMePie, The Legonater, Cralegoboy, Admiral Ron, iamded, Peanuts, Brickdoctor, Fugazi) With Eight Votes, Captain Garrison has been convicted. This thread will be open a bit longer, and it is possible to overturn that conviction. You'll have about 12 hours left in this chapter.
Peanuts Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 Well, I just hope we did the right decision. Are we able to unlock Garrison, once he's finally convicted, by a mejority decision?
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