LEGO Collectable Minifigures Future Series Rumours

[Lion King]

On 10/19/2024 at 1:21 PM, FinlayTheFaithful said:

Don't we have a ton of other gunfighters as minifigures? Like The Punisher or Black Widow

Look at us, the society is full of irony….

And Space Police comes hit a gun in CMF series.  Retro spacegil from Series 26 comes with a blaster (aka sci-fi gun). 

[hikouki]

On 10/19/2024 at 2:41 PM, MAB said:

They also gave Sylvester and Tweety Pie a baseball bat and giant hammer to beat each other with.

 

9 hours ago, Lion King said:

Look at us, the society is full of irony….

And Space Police comes hit a gun in CMF series.  Retro spacegil from Series 26 comes with a blaster (aka sci-fi gun). 

Star Wars guns are just in stun mode. The gun from retro space girl and other space characters are just fake guns.

But Sylvester and Tweetie are poster children for domestic violence. LOL

[Lion King]

9 hours ago, hikouki said:

 

Star Wars guns are just in stun mode. The gun from retro space girl and other space characters are just fake guns.

But Sylvester and Tweetie are poster children for domestic violence. LOL

Fake guns??  Sory I don’t agree with you.  People would view ANY gun model in ANY form of violence. Star Wars guns are “fake” but they are still violent. Marvel “fake” guns are violent….

[hikouki]

On 10/22/2024 at 4:36 AM, Lion King said:

Fake guns??  Sory I don’t agree with you.  People would view ANY gun model in ANY form of violence. Star Wars guns are “fake” but they are still violent. Marvel “fake” guns are violent….

I was being SARCASTIC.

Learn to read through sarcasm.

[Lion King]

6 hours ago, hikouki said:

I was being SARCASTIC.

Learn to read through sarcasm.

Ah! Your sarcasm waas very vague in texts tho but i got ya.  Although, “learn to read through sarcasm” part is not quite amusing….

Edited October 23, 2024 by Lion King

[Karalora]

The main concern, when it comes to children viewing fictional acts of violence, is imitability--i.e. what happens when Junior acts out what they see, using the most suitable props they can find? The more fanciful the weapons, the less likely it is that a child will use real weapons in their imitative play. If a kid wants to play lightsaber-battle, they will probably use a (mostly) harmless toy lightsaber or, failing that, a stick from the backyard. Real lightsabers don't exist, so there's no risk of anyone getting their arm cut off. If that same kid wants to play medieval knights, there might be a real (and dangerous) sword in their home, but it's improbable because not many people buy real swords. But suppose the kid wants to play...James Bond? Now we're entering the danger zone, because Bond's weapon of choice (a modern handgun) is much more likely to be accessible to a child than any fictional or archaic weapon. Likewise, contact martial arts are considered "more violent" than, for instance, magic spells, even if the spells are more deadly in the fiction. No one is going to be injured if two children stand 10 feet apart and pretend to shoot lightning from their fingertips at each other.

[Accio Lego]

27 minutes ago, Karalora said:

The main concern, when it comes to children viewing fictional acts of violence, is imitability--i.e. what happens when Junior acts out what they see, using the most suitable props they can find? The more fanciful the weapons, the less likely it is that a child will use real weapons in their imitative play. If a kid wants to play lightsaber-battle, they will probably use a (mostly) harmless toy lightsaber or, failing that, a stick from the backyard. Real lightsabers don't exist, so there's no risk of anyone getting their arm cut off. If that same kid wants to play medieval knights, there might be a real (and dangerous) sword in their home, but it's improbable because not many people buy real swords. But suppose the kid wants to play...James Bond? Now we're entering the danger zone, because Bond's weapon of choice (a modern handgun) is much more likely to be accessible to a child than any fictional or archaic weapon. Likewise, contact martial arts are considered "more violent" than, for instance, magic spells, even if the spells are more deadly in the fiction. No one is going to be injured if two children stand 10 feet apart and pretend to shoot lightning from their fingertips at each other.

Yes, that’s crux of the problem here. Gun toting Loony Toons characters are a particularly poignant example for this too. Think about all the times Elmer Fudd actually manages to shoot someone with his shotgun (a weapon many people in real life own), what happens? Elmer ends up with his face blacken and his hat shredded, or maybe Daffy’s bill spins round his head while his eyes stay in place. Whoever the victim is recovers almost instantly whatever the case, which is obviously extremely different from real life. 

[MAB]

2 hours ago, Accio Lego said:

Yes, that’s crux of the problem here. Gun toting Loony Toons characters are a particularly poignant example for this too. Think about all the times Elmer Fudd actually manages to shoot someone with his shotgun (a weapon many people in real life own), what happens? Elmer ends up with his face blacken and his hat shredded, or maybe Daffy’s bill spins round his head while his eyes stay in place. Whoever the victim is recovers almost instantly whatever the case, which is obviously extremely different from real life. 

And yet we get plenty of muskets, rifles, Tommy guns, pistols, swords, knives, etc. The existing rifle would be perfect for Elmer Fudd. I imagine the reason we didn't get Elmer Fudd is partly down to numbers. There were more important characters to do and, with today's views, they also wanted to include some females even though they were minor characters when the cartoons were made 50 years ago. 

[Karalora]

5 hours ago, MAB said:

And yet we get plenty of muskets, rifles, Tommy guns, pistols, swords, knives, etc. The existing rifle would be perfect for Elmer Fudd. I imagine the reason we didn't get Elmer Fudd is partly down to numbers. There were more important characters to do and, with today's views, they also wanted to include some females even though they were minor characters when the cartoons were made 50 years ago. 

I don't know about "plenty of," but I do get the feeling you didn't read my entire post. Context is everything with fictional violence shown to children, and yeah, there's some arbitrariness to where the lines are drawn, but I don't think it's all that arbitrary if parents are more worried about their kids acting out Rabbit Season/Duck Season with Dad's hunting rifle, than about them acting out the cantina fight from Episode IV with their own "blaster" (i.e. a toy).

As a rule--not an ironclad one, but a pretty solid guideline--LEGO tries to steer away from including modern-style weapons in sets targeting children. A quick check on Bricklink shows that the standard rifle was last produced in 2013, and the handgun is now used mostly in display sets for AFOLs, and half the time isn't even there as a gun but as a small bent element. Knives seem to show up mostly in the context of kitchen/eating utensils (where they won't, in and of themselves, inspire anyone to stab each other) or in fantasy settings where they are more comparable to swords than modern switchblades.

As for swords themselves? How many children are likely to have access to a real sword that they could use to damage someone IRL? Not many. The objective is not to completely eliminate the possibility that kids will cause real harm by imitating the fiction they see (which is impossible), but to minimize the likelihood.

[jonwil]

How is giving one of the more "realistic" gun pieces to, say, Indiana Jones or Two Face or Black Widow any different to giving that same gun piece to Elmer Fudd or Yosemite Sam?

 

[Lion King]

3 hours ago, jonwil said:

How is giving one of the more "realistic" gun pieces to, say, Indiana Jones or Two Face or Black Widow any different to giving that same gun piece to Elmer Fudd or Yosemite Sam?

 

This….

[JohnTPT17]

3 hours ago, jonwil said:

How is giving one of the more "realistic" gun pieces to, say, Indiana Jones or Two Face or Black Widow any different to giving that same gun piece to Elmer Fudd or Yosemite Sam?

 

I suppose the argument there is that Indiana Jones, Two-Face, and Black Widow are all targeted for a slightly older demographic, whereas Looney Tunes skews a little younger.

In either case, though, I think it as much comes down to the parenting, and how you're taught to play. My family played with all kinds of wooden swords, Nerf guns, etc (and as we got older, airsoft and BB guns). But there were very strict rules, and we knew to not hit each other hard, and to not point airsoft/BB guns at people. And we especially knew to NOT play with any of the real guns or knives in any circumstances, until we got a lot older. And all of this was balanced with other games with guns, like plastic action figures, video games, and Legos, which used guns frequently. Some other family who had the same access and ideas as us may have, admittedly, gotten hurt in some way, either due to different rules or accidents, so maybe the best answer is that the right answer comes down to the individual family, and not put all the blame on the media.

I dunno - I know it's a dicey topic that has a lot of strong opinions on it, and I'm not a parent yet and I'm missing some perspective... 

10 hours ago, MAB said:

I imagine the reason we didn't get Elmer Fudd is partly down to numbers. There were more important characters to do and, with today's views, they also wanted to include some females even though they were minor characters when the cartoons were made 50 years ago. 

That's my main theory as well. Same case as The Muppets and how Janice got in over Scooter, Dr. Teeth, Sam the Eagle, etc.

[Accio Lego]

4 hours ago, jonwil said:

How is giving one of the more "realistic" gun pieces to, say, Indiana Jones or Two Face or Black Widow any different to giving that same gun piece to Elmer Fudd or Yosemite Sam?

 

When Indiana Jones, Batman villains, or any agent of SHIELD fires a gun at someone they tend to drop dead. When Elmer Fudd or Yosemite Sam shoot someone goofy cartoon hijinks happen that the subject shakes off instantly. 

[Lion King]

What can I say? Society is full of non-sense irony..  i don’t think Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam are main problems to be included in CMF Series 2 while we already have Black Widow, Indiana Jones and Two Face in other Lego themes. We have so many fictional weapons in non-licensed themes / series.  Weapons - fictional or not - can be any form of violence. 

[williejm]

14 hours ago, Accio Lego said:

Yes, that’s crux of the problem here. Gun toting Loony Toons characters are a particularly poignant example for this too. Think about all the times Elmer Fudd actually manages to shoot someone with his shotgun (a weapon many people in real life own), what happens? Elmer ends up with his face blacken and his hat shredded, or maybe Daffy’s bill spins round his head while his eyes stay in place. Whoever the victim is recovers almost instantly whatever the case, which is obviously extremely different from real life. 

I don’t know what level of this is ‘self-censoring’ by the brand and what part is Lego rules. 

[Accio Lego]

7 hours ago, williejm said:

I don’t know what level of this is ‘self-censoring’ by the brand and what part is Lego rules. 

I think I remember seeing in the Lego Ideas guidelines that the broad strokes for alcohol (and maybe guns?) was no modern depictions, but historical and fantasy stuff is fine. Indy clearly falls into the historical category, and I imagine superheroes fall into the fantasy category (there’s decent odds of Black Widow sharing a set with an actual Norse god after all). In contrast, cartoon hijinks and talking animals probably don’t cross the fantasy threshold, and despite being around for a while l, Looney Toons setting and general technology is still very recognizable to modern audiences. 

[Artanis I]

Can't wait for all the John Wick sets to come out, since half of them don't even blink when they get shot in those movies

[DarrellBricker]

On 10/18/2024 at 11:30 AM, MAB said:

Remember that these have to appeal to the general public too, not just fans of the franchise, to sell in high numbers. I had heard of about a dozen of the original DC series. And I bought a few of them like the throwback Batman and Wonder Woman, and Bat-Mite but only for his comic. For a second series, I doubt I would have heard of many of them if your list is anything to go by.

Conversely, one individual not hearing about some of the characters on my list doesn't mean there aren't a whole legion of fans out there who wouldn't be interested in these figures.

[jonwil]

Many of the settings Yosemite Sam uses his six guns in are historical (wild west, "pirates" era, civil war type stuff). Altlough if the guns really are a problem, they could do Yosemite in one of the instances where he has swords or other things instead of guns.

 

 

[williejm]

6 hours ago, jonwil said:

Many of the settings Yosemite Sam uses his six guns in are historical (wild west, "pirates" era, civil war type stuff). Altlough if the guns really are a problem, they could do Yosemite in one of the instances where he has swords or other things instead of guns.

Honestly - they could just give Sam two bananas. We’d all get the joke & no one is offended 

On 10/27/2024 at 1:54 AM, DarrellBricker said:

Conversely, one individual not hearing about some of the characters on my list doesn't mean there aren't a whole legion of fans out there who wouldn't be interested in these figures.

Right?

plus some figures have shelf appeal beyond fans. The present D&D series being a point in case 

[Karalora]

I mean...another reason not to do Yosemite Sam is his abnormally awkward head shape for molding and printing.

[Alexandrina]

On 10/24/2024 at 8:52 AM, MAB said:

There were more important characters to do and, with today's views, they also wanted to include some females even though they were minor characters when the cartoons were made 50 years ago. 

Who were minor characters 50 years ago is entirely irrelevant though. Even during my childhood, Lola was on equal standing with the rest of the Looney Tunes crew save for the Big 2, and as I understand it there's been a whole new cartoon since then which has frontlined more female characters. Kids nowadays don't necessarily care about which cartoon animal was around in the 60s and which is a newer creation

[Lion King]

11 hours ago, Karalora said:

I mean...another reason not to do Yosemite Sam is his abnormally awkward head shape for molding and printing.

I am sure lego could manage to do that share of head mold of Yosemite. Maybe new mustache piece + a regular minifigure head + new hat icee? Other Looney Tunes (except for Marvin the Martian) only have head molds becuase they are animals. 

I would be interested to see either way (regular head o speical head mold) for Yosemite and Elmer….

Edited October 30, 2024 by Lion King

[Karalora]

1 hour ago, Lion King said:

Maybe new mustache piece + a regular minifigure head + new hat icee?

That...would not be Yosemite Sam. That would be someone cosplaying him. He might technically be "human" as opposed to the funny animal characters, but he has a very distinctive, extreme silhouette that is vital to making the character "read" correctly.

In any case, I was just pointing out one more factor that might have led to TLG omitting Sam from the lineup. "Let's see...we can violate our anti-handgun stance, lose one of our already-rare opportunities to inject a little gender balance into this wave, AND have to figure out how to create THAT head using our current molding and printing technology...or we can just not include this character.

[zoth33]

1 hour ago, Karalora said:

That...would not be Yosemite Sam. That would be someone cosplaying him. He might technically be "human" as opposed to the funny animal characters, but he has a very distinctive, extreme silhouette that is vital to making the character "read" correctly.

In any case, I was just pointing out one more factor that might have led to TLG omitting Sam from the lineup. "Let's see...we can violate our anti-handgun stance, lose one of our already-rare opportunities to inject a little gender balance into this wave, AND have to figure out how to create THAT head using our current molding and printing technology...or we can just not include this character.

Lego had guns in the Pirates of the Caribbean sets so I don't see how that would go against their anti-gun stance if they did Yosemite Sam.  They have themes with guns eve the Marvel and DC themes that do represent modernity so why not give Sam his 6 shooter.