ghoulrealm Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Kids wound'nt have access to catapult for instance nor a nuclear sub for that matter. But they could have access to knives and guns, if they happen to take it to far. If anything is contraversal, it's the hand guns! Anyway my main gripe againts the sub or any divers set is the colors alone, not wether it has firepower, but if it has favorable pieces for pirate, castle, or space theme. I suppose you could use white or yellow for those themes, but I would prefer greys, brown, and black, or even sandblue for alien craft. The pieces are awesome and the set is awesome but the colors just don't go with my eyes :-( :-D Quote
Asuka Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 If anything is contraversal, it's the hand guns! I can only agree to that. A toy usually does not kill. I Quote
xwingyoda Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Guys, we tend to forget what was so great about this line: sea bed exploration & treasure hunting 8- Quote
alex54 Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 I'm with yoy yoda, to make the discovery stronger than the weapons! ;-) Quote
Asuka Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 I'm with yoy yoda, to make the discovery stronger than the weapons! ;-) That is also my point of view. Quote
Clone comander Nodra 999 Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Me to sorta (sometimes the clone commander has to unload a clip on harry potter >:-) ) Themes like divers, artic, and astronauts have always been favorites of mine becuase they show the more interesting parts of science. Things that are in the real world that we can touch and feel and not fictoinal themes like space or aquazone or any of the lisenced themes for that matter. Quote
Section8 Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Themes like divers, artic, and astronauts have always been favorites of mine becuase they show the more interesting parts of science. That's a great way of thinking of it. I don't think I'd be as interested in colonial history if it wasn't for the Pirates line. I was never a fan of American colonial history until I realized that the golden age of piracy happened at roughly the same time. The same could be said of the Adventurers line sparking interest in different ancient cultures. Quote
alex54 Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 Yesterday, I spend some times in my old LEGO catalogue, and I saw the divers line. In French, the name is "plongeur", that means plunger in English. The name is better IMO. voil Quote
snefroe Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 i only discovered divers when i came out of my dark age... hm... i don't think i have any of these sets and they're not particularly high on my priority list either. these sets look nice, but something's missing, i don't know what exactly... they even look kinda boring... it's basically a city line with a few divers, nothing really exceptional... i guess lego realised this as well, because not long after this, they'd release the Alpha team with all sorts of new minifigs, parts, style,... Quote
Hobbes Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 these sets look nice, but something's missing, i don't know what exactly... they even look kinda boring... it's basically a city line with a few divers, nothing really exceptional... Space sets look nice, but something's missing, I don't know what exactly... they even look kinda boring... it's basically a City line with a few astronauts, nothing really exceptional... :-P Quote
snefroe Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 these sets look nice, but something's missing, i don't know what exactly... they even look kinda boring... it's basically a city line with a few divers, nothing really exceptional... Space sets look nice, but something's missing, I don't know what exactly... they even look kinda boring... it's basically a City line with a few astronauts, nothing really exceptional... :-P soon we'll get a new member in the torture chamber for spamming, meaning, writing senseless crappy posts :-P guess who that member is *wacko* ***cough... city mayor... cough... *** :-P :-P Quote
Hobbes Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 As the mayor I have to stand up for my citizens, no matter the consequences :-P Quote
alex54 Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 snefroe1, in the train and town parts, you will find some city defenders! Aux armes citoyens! :-D Quote
Jipay Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 Yesterday, I spend some times in my old LEGO catalogue, and I saw the divers line. In French, the name is "plongeur", that means plunger in English. The name is better IMO. voil Quote
ghoulrealm Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 Plunger c'est pour la plonge dans les restos ^^ !? back to divers, I think science is great in real life but as a lego theme is kind of boring *sad* It is too close to city theme or too close to modern times for my taste. just use the senery and almost nothing else. Maybe I shouldn't even be posting within in this subforum! :-P I'll just go back to pirates now *pirate* Quote
xwingyoda Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 soon we'll get a new member in the torture chamber for spamming, meaning, writing senseless crappy posts :-P guess who that member is *wacko* ***cough... city mayor... cough... *** :-P :-P Are you sure you are talking about the right member... ***cough... Sne...cough*** :-D As the mayor I have to stand up for my citizens, no matter the consequences :-P No worries, I'm granting you immunity + protection ;-) snefroe1, in the train and town parts, you will find some city defenders!Aux armes citoyens! :-D Formez vos bataillons, Marchons, marchons, qu'un sang IMPUR, abreuve nos sillons !! >:-) *yoda* Quote
snefroe Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 soon we'll get a new member in the torture chamber for spamming, meaning, writing senseless crappy posts :-P guess who that member is *wacko* ***cough... city mayor... cough... *** :-P :-P Are you sure you are talking about the right member... ***cough... Sne...cough*** :-D As the mayor I have to stand up for my citizens, no matter the consequences :-P No worries, I'm granting you immunity + protection ;-) snefroe1, in the train and town parts, you will find some city defenders!Aux armes citoyens! :-D Formez vos bataillons, Marchons, marchons, qu'un sang IMPUR, abreuve nos sillons !! >:-) *yoda* yeah yeah yeah! all talk but not much content, is it? we should give yoda a new title: 'city mayor's soldier boy' :-P the fact remains that divers didn't last very long and i even think this is the first time we have a topic on the subject. sure, using a table was a nice good old fashioned way to deal with the under water element of the theme, however, i don't think that trick still satisfies the younger kids these days, think about it, they already need back stories presented by Lego to get any interest in playing with lego sets, they need crappy catapults on longboats, otherwise the boat is boring, they need ships that actually float on water or they're unhappy... and you really think they would accept an 'underwater' theme and play with it as we did 15-20 years ago? Quote
Hobbes Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 sure, using a table was a nice good old fashioned way to deal with the under water element of the theme, however, i don't think that trick still satisfies the younger kids these days, think about it, they already need back stories presented by Lego to get any interest in playing with lego sets, they need crappy catapults on longboats, otherwise the boat is boring, they need ships that actually float on water or they're unhappy... and you really think they would accept an 'underwater' theme and play with it as we did 15-20 years ago? I don't see anything "space" in there, either, so we both agree that Space and Divers wouldn't be successful today? :-P Quote
alex54 Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 Plunger c'est pour la plonge dans les restos I learn a new english world, with the good meanning! stupid translator site! The discussion about the fact to play make me smile, because I never played with LEGO! I mean I never take the minifig and make them speak or move. Sometimes I imagine some stories with my set, but it's all. I prefered to build, look, contemplate and play with the mechanism like a door trap or the head of the death whale in the case of divers line. I like to build them again and again and make my own model, in other word some child mocs. So to have an underwater theme without water or space without space were not a problem for me :-D Quote
snefroe Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 sure, using a table was a nice good old fashioned way to deal with the under water element of the theme, however, i don't think that trick still satisfies the younger kids these days, think about it, they already need back stories presented by Lego to get any interest in playing with lego sets, they need crappy catapults on longboats, otherwise the boat is boring, they need ships that actually float on water or they're unhappy... and you really think they would accept an 'underwater' theme and play with it as we did 15-20 years ago? I don't see anything "space" in there, either, so we both agree that Space and Divers wouldn't be successful today? :-P quite the contrary... space would be successful, we even have specialised forums for the theme and i'm quite certain that many sw fans would be buying space sets as long as they have a similar level of quality and excitement. also, prices of space sets on bl and even on ebay are fairly high, indicating a high demand for space sets; the thing is that lego already produces a space theme: sw, which is, to my knoledge, the most succesfull theme right now..., so yep, space is highly succesfull these days... ;-) hehe... why do i feel there's a discusion 'is sw a sub space theme or not' - coming up real soon? honestly, there's no link what so ever between divers and space, Space is a monument in lego history, divers hardly reaches the footnotes, with all due respect... Quote
Hobbes Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 quite the contrary... space would be successful, we even have specialised forums for the theme and i'm quite certain that many sw fans would be buying space sets as long as they have a similar level of quality and excitement. also, prices of space sets on bl and even on ebay are fairly high, indicating a high demand for space sets; the thing is that lego already produces a space theme: sw, which is, to my knoledge, the most succesfull theme right now..., so yep, space is highly succesfull these days... ;-) hehe... why do i feel there's a discusion 'is sw a sub space theme or not' - coming up real soon?honestly, there's no link what so ever between divers and space, Space is a monument in lego history, divers hardly reaches the footnotes, with all due respect... OK, to set things straight: I like Classic Space. I grew up with it, have a few tiny sets, and always liked it. I would never categorize SW as a sub space theme because it's a friggin' license and not Space, period. SW is just a "modern fairy tale". I just continued arguing because I do see similarities in Divers and Space concerning playability: both can be played on a "flat surface that's not a table", but it's not that much fun then. Both make more fun when played 3-dimensionally. Submarines need to submerge, space planes need to fly. The only difference is that Space was a standalone theme while Divers was a subtheme. Space had time to evolve and had a lot more sets. Also, Divers lacked diversity in sets. The bigger sets all looked alike: some sort of exploration ship, mini-sub, divers, and a standard underwater world. That didn't show much phantasy or evolvement and most likely attracted only people who liked exactly that. Space on the other hand showed lots of diversity and became a corner stone of LEGO's success. Since I'm one of those people who like Divers exactly the way it was (I own 6560 and soon 6441 and 6559) I felt I had to defend it a bit ;-) Quote
natelite Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 alright, time to butt my head into this "discussion" topic one more time. ;-) divers as a theme sucks because: 1. no kid ever dream of becoming a diver. atlantis was not a popular show. 2. during the 80s and the 90s space was the most popular thing ever. engineers, pilots, astronauts were the career of choice for most kids. not to mention a ton of popular tv series or movies on space theme such as star trek, star wars, battlestar galactica, odessey 2000, etc. 3. tv also bombarded us with the space race...during the cold war. mars, robots, pluto, etc. i grew up in the 80/90s, so i can say that space was indeed my favorite. i doubt other themes were as popular apart from the regular city lines (like constructions, police, fire and rescue). the decline of the space theme can be attributed to the end of the cold war. space exploration story became old. i don't know what the pop culture is these days. any clue? that might tell us about what may be a popular kid's theme. what is the most popular mmorpg game these days? or the most popular console game? i know lego star wars is pretty hot...but what else? is it fantasy medieval? is it steampunk/retro fantasy? whatever is popular can be a great cash cow for lego if they can just ride the popularity wave! Quote
highlandcattle Posted August 3, 2006 Author Posted August 3, 2006 the decline of the space theme can be attributed to the end of the cold war. space exploration story became old. i don't know what the pop culture is these days. any clue? that might tell us about what may be a popular kid's theme. what is the most popular mmorpg game these days? or the most popular console game? i know lego star wars is pretty hot...but what else? is it fantasy medieval? is it steampunk/retro fantasy? whatever is popular can be a great cash cow for lego if they can just ride the popularity wave! Gran teft auto, lego should make some hookers and baseballbats those would be popular. I'm a boyscout leader with 9-12 year old and all they talk about is San Andreas. Quote
Hobbes Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 the decline of the space theme can be attributed to the end of the cold war. space exploration story became old. I don't think Space was about exploration. It was more like City, just in space with all the cool ships and stuff (there was Space Police, after all, and one subtheme was the bad guys AFAIK). I don't think anybody liked it because they thought of astro-cheologists. The themes you could associate with space exploration were Space Port and Life on Mars IMHO... Oh, and Divers doesn't suck. :-P Quote
Section8 Posted August 3, 2006 Posted August 3, 2006 divers as a theme sucks because: 1. no kid ever dream of becoming a diver I disagree. The name divers for the line is a bit misleading, as there were submersibles and an underwater lab. That's what I was interested in as a kid, deep sea exploration and shipwrecks. I read alot of books on famous shipwrecks and I wanted to be a marine geologist so I could explore the ocean. The submersibles were the best part of the line (as was the underwater lab...ingenious!) and I never got any of the divers sets because the ones with the large submersibles were too much for my small budget. Quote
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