Probability of returning to Classic Pirates after POTC...

[Piranha]

They did focus on island architecture as well as double hull canoes in the first line.

They are generic and LEGO is a Toy.

Edited June 15, 2011 by Macoco

[SkaForHire]

Aye, that's a good point but I might have not presented mine well enough. I did not speak of racism, I spoke of structural racism and that is actually a difference

(one, that almost nobody knows of because we political scientists are not really good in talkin' to people )

I totally agree on all that points you made about castle and the pirates themselfs and so on. But (1) they represent people of European descent what gives them the advantage of diversity. They can be pirates or city-folks or knights. Islanders have to be Islanders. That alone wouldn't be a problem but there comes

(2) Why do Islanders have to represent a Eurocentric cliché of people on islands? Why not talking about their great fishing techniques and their brilliant ways of building boats and houseboats? That would be agreat way of doin' some interesting designs for Lego, anyway. You said it yourself: "a primitive culture" - that is no way to judge other people - because they don't use metals or writing they are not primitive but that is the picture media and culture in Europe are displayin' it.

It's not meant to be an attack on you or anyone else liking Islanders - I assume that no-one here is racist. But we all inherited stupid cultural prejudices that we would never ever be allowed to be made upon our cultures. And Lego could do a great deal about this. So, you know what? scrap my idea! let Lego do a new Islanders wave but without clichès! That'll be cool. And now I shut up before I get problems with the mods

Structural Racisim? No, realism is what I say. Life isn't all cheery, and unfortunately the line was historically in line with the timeline of the pirate line. People of the main island regions, Micronesia, Polynesia, Melanesia or the Caribbean all were at distinct disadvantage when facing European explorers / aggressor. Furthermore, a request to see more of the life of these islanders is not really needed because the sets that were included portrayed religion, fishing and their modes of transportation. Since these people are arguably Melanesian or Polynesian, their whole life is reflected in these sets. By all anthropological accounts their lives revolved around sorcery, religion, warfare, and most importantly fishing. IF they are Melanesian, then there actually needed to be more warfare in the sets, many more spears and warriors. There is no political correctness in history, it happened, it was unfortunate, but we shouldn't censor it from children. Besides, I can't think of a islander promotional picture / commercial where the islanders did not win. So i don't think anyone was portrayed improperly. But more importantly it is a toy.

[Scarst]

Aye, that's a good point but I might have not presented mine well enough. I did not speak of racism, I spoke of structural racism and that is actually a difference

(one, that almost nobody knows of because we political scientists are not really good in talkin' to people )

I totally agree on all that points you made about castle and the pirates themselfs and so on. But (1) they represent people of European descent what gives them the advantage of diversity. They can be pirates or city-folks or knights. Islanders have to be Islanders. That alone wouldn't be a problem but there comes

(2) Why do Islanders have to represent a Eurocentric cliché of people on islands? Why not talking about their great fishing techniques and their brilliant ways of building boats and houseboats? That would be agreat way of doin' some interesting designs for Lego, anyway. You said it yourself: "a primitive culture" - that is no way to judge other people - because they don't use metals or writing they are not primitive but that is the picture media and culture in Europe are displayin' it.

It's not meant to be an attack on you or anyone else liking Islanders - I assume that no-one here is racist. But we all inherited stupid cultural prejudices that we would never ever be allowed to be made upon our cultures. And Lego could do a great deal about this. So, you know what? scrap my idea! let Lego do a new Islanders wave but without clichès! That'll be cool. And now I shut up before I get problems with the mods

I'm new to this Forum but I was attracted because Legos Have been a toy that have carried one through my life, even if I have very little time for them now, and Pirates have always been one Of my favorite sets so here I am. When I saw talk about Islanders and Racism structural or not I figured I'd put in my two cents.

One of the first things any student of anthropology will learn is that race doesn't exist, if you want to talk about skin colour and mutations of genes that cause adaptations to certain environments fine but Races are a device created to group people and originally had the motive to specify how one group was superior to the other. Also native Americans being red was brought about when Europeans landed near Newfoundland and met a group that ritually painted themselves with red ochre .... but no one wants to read about this stuff on a lego forum.

I do remember my first set of islanders was the duel canoe although I was not even a fan of the islander set they had good pieces and offered a variety. I would love to see classic pirates preferably sets with a lot of minifigs as I'd like a large pirate crew.

[Horry]

One of the first things any student of anthropology will learn is that race doesn't exist, if you want to talk about skin colour and mutations of genes that cause adaptations to certain environments fine but Races are a device created to group people and originally had the motive to specify how one group was superior to the other.

Weeeell, that's why we talked about racism, not races, right? While there are indeed no races, there is a very real racism in the world that needs to be battled.

Anyway, folks. To cut a long story short. These boards are not for politics and I misused them anyway and see what I got! different opinions that don't mix up well. I think it can be assumed that we have our ideas on the matter and they've got their bases. No need to get us all battered for bein' off-topic.

ON topic:

Space and pirates have been there before the licensed themes came out. I'd say with Star Wars and different Space themes and subthemes co-existing for so many years now, there'd be a good chance that pirates might even be brought back to new live by potc.

[Tazmaniac]

Ah good to see we're back on topic, nice save Horry that could have got ugly.......bring on the classics.

I'd love to see some of the pieces used in the never released "Europica" ( I think that's what it was to be called) line appear in some new classic sets, mainly the hair pieces (wigs) for both men and women.

[MstrOfPppts]

Yes classic pirates would be nice to return, especially with some civil themed sets like the Kingdoms theme this year. Something similar to London escape ...

[Tazmaniac]

Found it.

It was called Europa not Europica as I said earlier.....check it out

Imagine this with todays techniques.

[David Thomsen]

Ooh that is gorgeous. And army building would be so easy with army sets that big...

I would love to see more pirate era sets based inland.

[Churchill]

I would love to see more pirate era sets based inland.

I agree. I'm trying to incorporate some of the kingdom sets (MMV, Mill Village Raid) into an 18th century theme. I think if Classic Pirates does return, it could really benefit from the structures in POTC and the new Kingdom sets. It could be a new "golden age" for Pirates!

[Jack Bricker]

After seeing how Lego came out with Pharaoh's Quest after Indiana Jones I think that a return to classic pirates is quite likely. I would love to see another generic pirate galleon like SES and some proper pirate islands would be great to. Also, it would be awesome if Lego did some kind of islander theme, maybe even some kind of Conquistador aztec theme.

Edited June 17, 2011 by Jack Bricker

[Red Bricks]

I hope the POTC theme lasts longer than other themes

[KotZ]

I see a return after POTC, maybe not for a year or two, but maybe five. Keep in mind, not many FOL (at least the ones I have met) have a long memory of sets. They generally only remember one set or two from one theme or sub-theme each year they followed the brand. There are others, such as us here on EB, that have a long memory, or they would actively research older sets, to get ones they were to young for, when they were in their dark ages, or even not having been born yet to experience the joy of Set X or Set Y or Set Z.

Now licensed themes are slightly different. Usually, that's only because TLG may make memorable scenes into sets. So, if somebody asks, "Did they make a Black Pearl?" the answer will most likely be a "Yes." Memory sometimes doesn't even relate to licensed themes. But memorable sets are supposed to. Granted, there are many evergreen themes that have memorable sets (Classic Pirates being the example here), but do most people think of them, not usually.

So, I do see a return after POTC, not right away, especially if they decide to make a POTC5, but at least sometime in the future.