What Should the Next Lego Technic Flagship Be?

[mpj]

A demolition machine

A wheeled excavator (like Mecalac)

A concrete mixer with pneumatic concrete pump

[Phantom59]

A road grater would be great

I don't think Lego has done a major model of one

After a quick look at brick set only as a b model

9 years ago 8451-1: Dump Truck

front push blade

front slopping wheels

main blade

articulated joint in front of or behind cab

talons or rippers at the back

And some where to put the RC gear

It could be as simple or as complex as you like

Edited July 7, 2011 by Phantom59

[jonwil]

Another idea that would be cool would be to see some farm equipment like a Harvester.

[Phantom59]

A road grater would be great

I don't think Lego has done a major model of one

After a quick look at brick set only as a b model

9 years ago 8451-1: Dump Truck

front push blade

front slopping wheels

main blade

articulated joint in front of or behind cab

talons or rippers at the back

And some where to put the RC gear

It could be as simple or as complex as you like

Sorry change my mine, this would be the bees knees

the TROJAN AVRE

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=trojan+avre&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=655&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=86kVTozlLtGHmQWp26gb&ved=0CDUQsAQ

(Sorry its the old Sapper blood, once a sapper always a sapper)

Edited July 7, 2011 by Phantom59

[Brickend]

An awful lot of suggestions here for fully RC motorised wheeled creations - but does anyone actually think that could happen, especially to a model of flagship size?

I don't see a supercar happening, it's too close to 8070 for most people. Could be due a 'supercar' type offroader though.

I like the MB-Trac idea, but maybe for most it is too similar to the Unimog, plus Mercedes probably have less interest in making a machine that is not in production.

I also like the crawler crane idea, the tracks allow for the full RC and a crane seems due.

[allanp]

An awful lot of suggestions here for fully RC motorised wheeled creations - but does anyone actually think that could happen, especially to a model of flagship size?

Why not? Motorising the unimog won't be difficult, and that's the largest technic set by parts count ever.

I think you may be right about a supercar tho, it's close to the 8070. But I am surprised nobody has mentioned a supercar here yet. Would be great if it was actually a supercar (not an off-roader or a muscle car or whatever) with a proper gearbox of a new, more realistic, more efficient for motorsing and more robust design that copies real life gearboxes.

Edited July 7, 2011 by allanp

[Brickend]

Why not? Motorising the unimog won't be difficult, and that's the largest technic set by parts count ever.

I think you may be right about a supercar tho, it's close to the 8070. But I am surprised nobody has mentioned a supercar here yet. Would be great if it was actually a supercar (not an off-roader or a muscle car or whatever) with a proper gearbox of a new, more realistic, more efficient for motorsing and more robust design that copies real life gearboxes.

The problem with motorising a wheeled model is the torque and/or how to prevent damage when the model hits an object. The tracks slip before damage is caused to other parts, the current clutch gear isn't strong enough to be used in large drive systems . The current wheels grip too much, cause transmission wind up and break parts; whilst this is accepted to a TrTr/MOCer, I can't see Lego taking the risk.

[Alasdair Ryan]

I like the idea of supplementary kits like body panels,wheels,pneumatic (with longer rams) maybay a suspension kit

or

a 4-1 kit like back in the day.

[Erik Leppen]

The problem with motorising a wheeled model is the torque and/or how to prevent damage when the model hits an object. The tracks slip before damage is caused to other parts, the current clutch gear isn't strong enough to be used in large drive systems . The current wheels grip too much, cause transmission wind up and break parts; whilst this is accepted to a TrTr/MOCer, I can't see Lego taking the risk.

There's nothing against using multiple clutch gears in parallel. Or, for example, one on each wheel. This is surely not an unsolvable problem, even without new parts.

That said, I often see people complain about too much PF in official sets, and now all we're suggesting is sets that are extremelyh heavy on PF. What I'd like to see is a flagship without PF. For example take 8069. No PF, no pneumatics, great set. Why not do something like that as a flagship? The already mentioned ideas of redoing the 8855 Prop plane or the 8856 helicopter are great choices too. Both are possible with no PF at all and would make great sets.

What I would like to see most, is some sort of folding crane. I.e. this (not necessarily so large, if it can be done on two axles I'm fine with it too). It's something LEGO hasn't ever done yet, as far as I know, and it would be quite a challenge. I'm sure it's recognizable enough as a vehicle to be sold to LEGO's primary target audience. After all, it's a crane so boys will love it.

Edited July 7, 2011 by Erik Leppen

[Cwetqo]

Mercedes tracker is not recognizable by many people and I sure that they will not do it.

Supercar wont be coming for a few years (we have one this year) and even then I dont think It will be motorised.

Offroader is much more possible, because with portal axles you dont have problems with torque before final gear reduction (any TT builder will confirm that).

[allanp]

The problem with motorising a wheeled model is the torque and/or how to prevent damage when the model hits an object. The tracks slip before damage is caused to other parts, the current clutch gear isn't strong enough to be used in large drive systems . The current wheels grip too much, cause transmission wind up and break parts; whilst this is accepted to a TrTr/MOCer, I can't see Lego taking the risk.

That's a very good point, I didn't think of that. That's one of the problems with having so much reduction, especially in the XL motor, it makes methods of protecting drivetrains like using the white clutch gear or belt drive useless. I'de love a return to ungeared motors and belt drives and so on.

That said, I often see people complain about too much PF in official sets, and now all we're suggesting is sets that are extremelyh heavy on PF. What I'd like to see is a flagship without PF. For example take 8069. No PF, no pneumatics, great set. Why not do something like that as a flagship? The already mentioned ideas of redoing the 8855 Prop plane or the 8856 helicopter are great choices too. Both are possible with no PF at all and would make great sets.

You are right. I am one to complain about having too much PF in a set, but I am also one of those asking for a fully remote, PF forklift! I guess that's because the forklift I have in mind would include longer pneumatics and a way or precisely controlling pneumatic valves remotely thereby giving us lots of new possibilities, so I make an exception here.

But yeah, a new flagship helicopter would be great.

[nielsvdv]

how about a quad as a flagship. i own a can am outlander 800 max xt. i am going to build it one day in technic, but havent found any time yet.

this is how i see the functions:

- 4WD, 3 diffs with difflock

- : high, low, neutral, reverse and parking ( a working bracke would be a nice feature).

- fully independant steering, with in the back the can am patented one. i you look it up, it is really nice :) (tti independant suspension)

- maybe if it is possible a cvt (new part?)

- front winch

- racks and protective bars

- the max version offers place to 2 people

- a box in the back for storage

http://en-ca.can-amatv.brp.com/showroom/category/Outlander-MAX-800R.aspx -> ifu don't know the outlander

this could be rc, as the cvt could be set to a specific amont of torque to pass it, before slipping

[technicmad]

How about a huge fire truck with pneumatic ladder?

[olaf9198]

how about a quad as a flagship. i own a can am outlander 800 max xt. i am going to build it one day in technic, but havent found any time yet.

this is how i see the functions:

- 4WD, 3 diffs with difflock

- : high, low, neutral, reverse and parking ( a working bracke would be a nice feature).

- fully independant steering, with in the back the can am patented one. i you look it up, it is really nice :) (tti independant suspension)

- maybe if it is possible a cvt (new part?)

- front winch

- racks and protective bars

- the max version offers place to 2 people

- a box in the back for storage

http://en-ca.can-amatv.brp.com/showroom/category/Outlander-MAX-800R.aspx -> ifu don't know the outlander

this could be rc, as the cvt could be set to a specific amont of torque to pass it, before slipping

the unimog

[Bad Brett]

I would like to see a city bus with a motorized compressor that could power the pneumatic doors and decrease the ground clearance when the doors are opened. Other functions should be working suspension (it's a pity that so few models include this), moving pistons and a gearbox.

I think this would work very well. Motorized pneumatic functions can be hard to control, but it'll work perfectly when it comes to opening doors or adjust the ground clearance. The problem would be the size, since it might turn out too big.

[S.I]

I don't mind PF in the flagship, although I wouldn't miss it if it weren't there. What I do not like is the smaller sets also coming with 1 battery box and 1 motor and that driving the costs up, where they are ideal sets to use the seperate PF kit.

[davidmull]

I'm with Allan on this one,I'd like to see a huge pf fork lift remote control