Peanuts Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Oooh, I like where this is going! Yes, the whip! Fuchsia, you have a whip, right? Or was that someone else? Thus-far, the family seems split between Henry and Petra, or rather, several people are defending Petra, and Henry seems to suspect her because she said something or other about about threats while everyone else was burying his or her face in pie. Children don't even like pie yet! I gotta say, Henry seems to be shooting in the dark, and not really hitting anything. I don't think though, that this makes him un-loyal. And I can't say that I think Petra is un-loyal. I'm conflicted. Aside from accusing Petra, Henry has done nothing that would indicate to me that he's scum. And, as others have pointed out, that's not scummy behavior. Still, Henry's a veteran and may just be accusing Petra to gain our trust. So confused! Maybe it's all this pie. Well, I myself wouldn't say Henry was scum either, just because he's accusing me. After all, it would be a rather bad tactic to vote for those who accuse others (even if their accusation is pointless), as accusing is the only thing we yet can do to gain information. And I must admit that we have to vote for someone at the end of the day, but I concede to Dad, that we should have an eye on those who said few or nothing. Right, I'm back. With the whip! Let's see who's been acting suspiciously around here... Irena -- Good spirited, clean funny girl. Nothing constructive though, looks like she's trying to fly under the radar. Dragana -- copy-paste: Good spirited, clean funny girl. Nothing constructive though, looks like she's trying to fly under the radar. Richelle -- very quiet, probably busy chatting secretly with her dark allies. Rupert -- very quiet too, likely busy with Richelle. Of course I don't believe they're all Not Loyal, and perhaps the most treacherous are not on this list. Opinions? What about Amy? I haven't got the impression she's said anything of importance today.
Dannylonglegs Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 That does it. Richelle has been one of the most silent ones today, and if she doesn't contribute she might as well go. Thus I vote: Richelle/Ricecracker. Interesting. I wanna see what happens, but it doesn't look like you took much time to explain your vote. It's not that I don't understand from whence you're coming, but it seems a bit... lacking, and I personally am not convinced. Well, I myself wouldn't say Henry was scum either, just because he's accusing me. After all, it would be a rather bad tactic to vote for those who accuse others (even if their accusation is pointless), as accusing is the only thing we yet can do to gain information. And I must admit that we have to vote for someone at the end of the day, but I concede to Dad, that we should have an eye on those who said few or nothing. What about Amy? I haven't got the impression she's said anything of importance today. I agree, Amy has said very little of any importance. In fact, now that you bring this to my attention, it does seem quite suspicious.
Tamamono Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Okay, here's my opinions on Fuschia's list: Let's see who's been acting suspiciously around here... Irena -- Good spirited, clean funny girl. Nothing constructive though, looks like she's trying to fly under the radar. Dragana -- copy-paste: Good spirited, clean funny girl. Nothing constructive though, looks like she's trying to fly under the radar. That's true, Irena and Dragana have been rather quiet today, and everything they've said has been about either pie or thrusting. Maybe the both of them are trying to distract us from their Not Loyal activities? Richelle -- very quiet, probably busy chatting secretly with her dark allies. I don't know... Richelle has been rather quiet, but I can't imagine my dear wife doing anything evil. Rupert -- very quiet too, likely busy with Richelle. He's only spoken once today, and that was about construction toys. I think he's a possibility. That does it. Richelle has been one of the most silent ones today, and if she doesn't contribute she might as well go. Thus I vote: Richelle/Ricecracker. Do you really think she could be Not Loyal? She has been online around a lot lately, but she hasn't said anything since this morning. Could this be true? I'd like to hear what my Richelle has to say about this before I make any decisions... What about Amy? I haven't got the impression she's said anything of importance today. Yeah, Amy's been just as quiet as her brother... Maybe they're both Not Loyal?
Sandy Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Interesting. I wanna see what happens, but it doesn't look like you took much time to explain your vote. It's not that I don't understand from whence you're coming, but it seems a bit... lacking, and I personally am not convinced. If you understand why I voted for her, then what more do you want? A five-page essay on the matter or something? I don't know if she's innocent or not, and I have no way of telling it, but I do know we have to vote out somebody, so why not under these circumstances vote for the most silent one? If you have better suggestions, I'm all ears.
Ricecracker Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 That does it. Richelle has been one of the most silent ones today, and if she doesn't contribute she might as well go. Thus I vote: Richelle/Ricecracker. Well don't you seem rather eager to vote... "That does it"? What makes you follow Fuschia like a mindless drone? I may not have added much, that's true, but I'm still trying to think about our different options. Without the possibility of leaving this room to talk in private, our options are limited. I don't agree with the option of revealing all of our roles now - that would only benefit the Not Loyal among us. Sure, the protector could protect the more useful roles - but what would stop the scum from just killing off the protector? On the other hand, I do understand if some other roles were to be revealed, such as the investigator. We could discuss in public who to investigate, and the Protector would still be able to protect them at night, without the Scum knowing. It does seem rather suspicious to me that you were so quick in voting, however, I'm not going to play a vote against you - that would be rather childish, and I don't believe it would help anything. I do believe that you're just trying to help.
CorneliusMurdock Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 You're so smart my lovely wife! Of Fuchsia's list, I'd say Irena and Dragana seem the most suspicious to me. They both seem to be trying not to be silent but saying nothing of substance. Not knowing which to choose, I may be inclined to follow Sammy's lead in this matter. I would like to hear from them both before voting. If they are innocent, they deserve at least that much. On the other hand, I do understand if some other roles were to be revealed, such as the investigator. We could discuss in public who to investigate, and the Protector would still be able to protect them at night, without the Scum knowing. I don't think our investigator needs to reveal themselves today for us to discuss who he or she may investigate. I think that unless those with actions come up with something that can help us it is best that the stay hidden and use their best judgment.
Sandy Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Well don't you seem rather eager to vote... "That does it"? What makes you follow Fuschia like a mindless drone? Look who rushed in to defend herself? And suddenly you have an opinion about everything, even things discussed hours ago? Did you maybe get a nudge from your scummy pals to be more active? Nah, I'm not convinced you're scum, but neither am I sure you're innocent. At this point, it's all up in the air and we just have to make a choice. Or would you guys rather have Quentin shoot one of you at random?
Tamamono Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 If you understand why I voted for her, then what more do you want? A five-page essay on the matter or something? I don't know if she's innocent or not, and I have no way of telling it, but I do know we have to vote out somebody, so why not under these circumstances vote for the most silent one? If you have better suggestions, I'm all ears. You say that you want to vote for the most silent one, yet Rupert has been just as silent as Richelle. Why not vote for him? Well don't you seem rather eager to vote... "That does it"? What makes you follow Fuschia like a mindless drone? I may not have added much, that's true, but I'm still trying to think about our different options. Without the possibility of leaving this room to talk in private, our options are limited. I don't agree with the option of revealing all of our roles now - that would only benefit the Not Loyal among us. Sure, the protector could protect the more useful roles - but what would stop the scum from just killing off the protector? On the other hand, I do understand if some other roles were to be revealed, such as the investigator. We could discuss in public who to investigate, and the Protector would still be able to protect them at night, without the Scum knowing. It does seem rather suspicious to me that you were so quick in voting, however, I'm not going to play a vote against you - that would be rather childish, and I don't believe it would help anything. I do believe that you're just trying to help. My dear, I really can't picture you not being Loyal, but you're only stating what was said before. I don't think our investigator needs to reveal themselves today for us to discuss who he or she may investigate. I think that unless those with actions come up with something that can help us it is best that the stay hidden and use their best judgment. If the investigator reveals him/herself today, then the protector will be able to protect him/her, but keep in mind that the Not Loyals probably have a blocker up their sleeve who would then prevent the investigator from doing anything. Nah, I'm not convinced you're scum, but neither am I sure you're innocent. At this point, it's all up in the air and we just have to make a choice. Or would you guys rather have Quentin shoot one of you at random? You make a good point; killing someone who doesn't contribute much is considerably better than taking the chance of one of the most outspoken Loyals being killed at random, but I still don't understand why you voted for Richelle in particular.
Peanuts Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Well, I also think that we should discuss about suspects a bit before just voting out somebody of a list of four people, which even is incomplete IMO. It's perfectly true Richele didn't contribute much today, but Rupert didn't say anything either (except that he prefers stupid bricks over fabulous guns ), so that would be the same case. Dragana ad Irena, the other two on Fuchsia's list, are as suspect to me as them, because of the obvious reasons. Well don't you seem rather eager to vote... "That does it"? What makes you follow Fuschia like a mindless drone? I may not have added much, that's true, but I'm still trying to think about our different options. Without the possibility of leaving this room to talk in private, our options are limited. I don't agree with the option of revealing all of our roles now - that would only benefit the Not Loyal among us. Sure, the protector could protect the more useful roles - but what would stop the scum from just killing off the protector? On the other hand, I do understand if some other roles were to be revealed, such as the investigator. We could discuss in public who to investigate, and the Protector would still be able to protect them at night, without the Scum knowing. It does seem rather suspicious to me that you were so quick in voting, however, I'm not going to play a vote against you - that would be rather childish, and I don't believe it would help anything. I do believe that you're just trying to help. I don't think the investigators should reveal themselves either, unless of course they have information they need to share. We can also discuss who to investigate in public without them revealed, but I don't think this is a good idea either, because the scum might just frame the one we choose to investigate, if they got framer, or kill the very same person, as we would certainly not protect the investigatee. And we shouldn't forget it is still dangerous if the investigators claim their role publicly, even if they are protected, because, if two or more investigators speak up, and we have two protectors, they couldn't protect someone else, so that save for the investigators and a possible paranoid gun owner every twonie else would be vulnerable.
Sandy Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 You say that you want to vote for the most silent one, yet Rupert has been just as silent as Richelle. Why not vote for him? I made a choice between the two options. It would've felt quite grotesque to vote my own son to be lynched on the first day. Of course, if I find out that handsome brat has been scheming our family's doom, I'll strangle him personally. I know this must be hard to you, Tammo. It is your wife we're talking about after all. But if she turns out to be Not Loyal, you'll be glad to have gotten rid of her.
JimBee Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Still, Henry's a veteran and may just be accusing Petra to gain our trust. So confused! Maybe it's all this pie. Veteran at what? That statement makes no sense. Quit metagaming acting like you know something we don't. Fuschia, I fully agree with your list. All four of them have been quiet, and I think now is the time to act. Sammy, I also agree with you. Richelle has been quiet until she's been accused, and then she just reiterated what's already been said. I'm not fully convinced that Richelle is scum, but what choice do we have at this point? We must act quickly if we don't want to be randomly killed off in the night, and we can't split our votes. I will think about this a bit more before voting.
Sandy Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 We can also discuss who to investigate in public without them revealed, but I don't think this is a good idea either, because the scum might just frame the one we choose to investigate, if they got framer, or kill the very same person, as we would certainly not protect the investigatee. Then we select two or three people up for investigation each day, and let the investigator make the selection based on their own judgment (which he or she will no doubt use anyway). That way there's at least a change for us loyals to get results. I'd say we should investigate any of the three remaining people on Fuschia's list tonight, if one of the four is voted out.
Tamamono Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 I made a choice between the two options. It would've felt quite grotesque to vote my own son to be lynched on the first day. Of course, if I find out that handsome brat has been scheming our family's doom, I'll strangle him personally. I know this must be hard to you, Tammo. It is your wife we're talking about after all. But if she turns out to be Not Loyal, you'll be glad to have gotten rid of her. I understand. We are dealing with family here, so it will most likely be hard for all of us no matter who goes.
Peanuts Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Then we select two or three people up for investigation each day, and let the investigator make the selection based on their own judgment (which he or she will no doubt use anyway). That way there's at least a change for us loyals to get results. I'd say we should investigate any of the three remaining people on Fuschia's list tonight, if one of the four is voted out. That's what we do anyway, by discussing our suspects. The investigator(s) would be very stupid not to go for the ones we consider untrustworthy. I was just talking about Richelle's suggestion about determining in public who to investigate. And as I said before, we should add Amy to the list, just in account of completeness.
Ricecracker Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 I was serious when I said I didn't have much to add. I don't know what you guys wanted to hear from me... I don't think the investigators should reveal themselves either, unless of course they have information they need to share. We can also discuss who to investigate in public without them revealed, but I don't think this is a good idea either, because the scum might just frame the one we choose to investigate, if they got framer, or kill the very same person, as we would certainly not protect the investigatee. I didn't say they should I said that I understand where people were coming from with that idea.
Peanuts Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 I was serious when I said I didn't have much to add. I don't know what you guys wanted to hear from me... Nothing, I suppose. But to me it's just logical that somebody who talks a lot, accuses people and brings up good ideas is more likely to be valuable than somebody who just comes out for defending themselves. Sorry, but somebone of use will die today and we have to make a decision.
Tamamono Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Then we select two or three people up for investigation each day, and let the investigator make the selection based on their own judgment (which he or she will no doubt use anyway). That way there's at least a change for us loyals to get results. I'd say we should investigate any of the three remaining people on Fuschia's list tonight, if one of the four is voted out. Good idea. The investigator doesn't have to reveal him/herself in order for us to discuss who to investigate; all that's needed is for the investigator to listen. Fuschia's list is a good place to start for investigations, as at least one of the people on there (including Amy) is probably Not Loyal. One will (probably) be voted out today, one will be either cleared or voted out tomorrow, leaving only three on the list. I still really don't know where to put my vote. Richelle hasn't made a very good defense for herself, but I can't bring myself to vote for her at the moment.
Ricecracker Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Richelle hasn't made a very good defense for herself... How's one supposed to defend themselves in this case? There's no proof of any sort at this point in time - for or against me. Again, I haven't said anything because I have nothing to add. I'm not going to make up some BS or distract everyone when I'm accused.
Rufus Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Apologies, everyone, for being quiet today. I assure you it is down to lack of opportunity for speaking rather than any sinister motive - I'm sure you will agree I haven't been around lurking either. Generally speaking, going for the quiet ones is a good way to start - even if that implicates me - at least until we have something more solid to go on. We do have to be careful, though; we are for the most part experienced in mafia family politics, so day one behaviour may not be as straight-forward as it seems. The main advantage of pushing the quiet ones to speak is that it might encourage them to slip up... but I haven't seen any evidence of that yet I can't imagine for a moment that my dear sister Amy is harbouring any non-loyal thoughts against grandad, but I would like to hear more from her.
Tamamono Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 How's one supposed to defend themselves in this case? There's no proof of any sort at this point in time - for or against me. Again, I haven't said anything because I have nothing to add. I'm not going to make up some BS or distract everyone when I'm accused. I don't know, but all you did was claim that you had nothing to offer (which may very well be true) and then restated what we had already said. Apologies, everyone, for being quiet today. I assure you it is down to lack of opportunity for speaking rather than any sinister motive - I'm sure you will agree I haven't been around lurking either. You're right; apart from now and when you spoke earlier I haven't seen you at all. Were you busy playing with your construction toys? I can't imagine for a moment that my dear sister Amy is harbouring any non-loyal thoughts against grandad, but I would like to hear more from her. I too would like to hear from Amy, as well as your mother and Dragana.
Rufus Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 You're right; apart from now and when you spoke earlier I haven't seen you at all. Were you busy playing with your construction toys? I wish! I had a long day at work My parents had me doing chores all day. Why can't a rich family like this get some servants?
CorneliusMurdock Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 I think we should all agree that our investigator coming forward today would be suicide for those of us who are Loyal. They don't know anything yet anyway and too many things could go wrong if they are revealed like blocking or framing besides their untimely demise if we either don't have a protector or they aren't paying close enough attention. It does make me wonder if those pressing for the revelation aren't trying to flush them out for the scum to dispose of. Even if those of us with sense realize what a bad idea revealing our investigator on the first day would be, there's always the chance that the investigator themselves might be swayed by those arguments and doom themselves and probably the rest of us. Just something to think about.
Rufus Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 I too would like to hear from Amy, as well as your mother and Dragana. Both Dragana and Mother have spoken a few times, admittedly mostly about pie and whips, but Amy has spoken but once. Amy? Maybe she's doing chores too.
Hinckley Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 So, then you are openly accusing Petra of being the spawn of Satan scum, Henry. Sorry, I wasn't sure if you were serious about that earlier. I wasn't defending her either, I was suspicious of you. As much as it disturbs me to target a little girl, she is a bit too trigger happy for her age, isn't she? If others vote for her, I'm in as well. Sorry, PP. Hmmmm, yet you quickly change to Richelle. Your behavior seems most suspicious after skimming through this discussion. I'll have to pay closer attention. But, I've been suspicious of you since you were defending PP this morning. Pee pee!! I don't know why you're so adamant in thinking that Pudgy Petra is scum just because she said that there is a threat to the family. It reminds me so very much of a soap opera I watched recently about a bunch of tourists who become stuck at a resort with a few Mafia Goons, and the situation became very similar to the one we have here. A strange looking chef came up to a girl and said "hey let's be friends", and everybody freaked out thinking "Oh, no! He knows that there are bad guys on the island and wants to make friends! He must be a Mafia Goon! Kill him!" and then the host of the resort cut him to ribbons and guess what? The chef was loyal. I don't know why you are so adamant in thinking she's not scum? It's certainly possible and it's more than what she said at the family reunion, it was her week defense and editing her post changing her words that makes her more suspicious. Henry, at first I thought you were joking, but now I see that you're serious, and your claim is ridiculous. No, it's not ridiculous. It could very well be true. I think claiming it's ridiculous is where the real suspicion lies. Shouldn't we be willing to follow all courses of action? Or are you working with the Non-loyals too? Then we select two or three people up for investigation each day, and let the investigator make the selection based on their own judgment (which he or she will no doubt use anyway). That way there's at least a change for us loyals to get results. I'd say we should investigate any of the three remaining people on Fuschia's list tonight, if one of the four is voted out. Publicly voting on who to investigate? Ha Yes, let's allow the scum to control who's investigated. Can we investigate Sammy first, please? He's rather suspicious to me. Although Irena and Dragana do seem to be flying under the radar and certainly not adding any substance to our discussion. Although, I'll tell you my wife's cherry pie has some substance! Yum!
Peanuts Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 I don't know why you are so adamant in thinking she's not scum? It's certainly possible and it's more than what she said at the family reunion, it was her week defense and editing her post changing her words that makes her more suspicious. Why was my defense weak? And how is a defense supposed to be stronger than the accusation? And yes, I edited my post changed my words, but it was no second after I wrote it and it was only because there were two spelling misktakes in it, which I use to correct, if it's not forbidden. No, it's not ridiculous. It could very well be true. I think claiming it's ridiculous is where the real suspicion lies. Shouldn't we be willing to follow all courses of action? Or are you working with the Non-loyals too? What can be true? That I said there was scum? Yes, that's true. That the host Quentin didn't mention is before? No, that's evidently wrong. That I'm scum? Maybe, as well as everyone of us. I might be, as might everyone be. What exactly are you trying to tell?
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