Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Or, vote off the other suspect, which should clear the name of the other, and therefore their investigator. No it doesn't work like that. Here's an analogy, there are three variables X, Y, and Z. And we know that X and Y are on the same side (you and Mistress Kupp) and on the other side Z (me). If you eliminate Z (me), what new information have you gained? You still know that X and Y are friends, but are they allies with the town? On the other hand, if you eliminate either X or Y (preferably Y, Mistress Kupp). Option A: She is scum, then from the relationship X (Flutwuk) must be scum too. Option B: Same relationship, but opposite results. The better option is clearly the second route.
Brickdoctor Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Or, vote off the other suspect, which should clear the name of the other, and therefore their investigator. Why are you so concerned with which one gets lynched? Either way, you're probably going to be proven innocent or guilty anyways.Seeing as Mistress Kupp hasn't come out and done something else stupid, I don't want to go back on my statement to voted for her if she kept up what she was doing; and I think I'll stick with my vote only because I can understand it if Flutwick wants us to trust him, if not only because I was in a similar position Yesterday.
Jedi master Brick Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 No it doesn't work like that. Here's an analogy, there are three variables X, Y, and Z. And we know that X and Y are on the same side (you and Mistress Kupp) and on the other side Z (me). If you eliminate Z (me), what new information have you gained? You still know that X and Y are friends, but are they allies with the town? On the other hand, if you eliminate either X or Y (preferably Y, Mistress Kupp). Option A: She is scum, then from the relationship X (Flutwuk) must be scum too. Option B: Same relationship, but opposite results. The better option is clearly the second route. Kill the scum (z) you find the acusers are innocent
Professor Flitwick Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 If you eliminate Z (me), what new information have you gained? You still know that X and Y are friends, but are they allies with the town? On the other hand, if you eliminate either X or Y (preferably Y, Mistress Kupp). Option A: She is scum, then from the relationship X (Flutwuk) must be scum too. Option B: Same relationship, but opposite results. The better option is clearly the second route. No, because Z and Y are both suspects for the same crime; both are women with headgear, who aren't married. Now this would only match one of you; it is absolutely ridiculous to think that clues would be given to give the town a two in three chance to find a Dark One, as opposed to the one Dark One out of the three the clues are designed to give us. Z and Y both can't be Dark Ones, so kill one, clear the other.
Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Kill the scum (z) you find the acusers are innocent And if I turn out to be the town? You will agree that you're guilty right? I'd be more than happy to become the martyr if I can bring out two scums! Bring it on! In all seriousness, there's a slight possibility that all three of us are innocent. This is why I choose the second route.
Professor Flitwick Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Why are you so concerned with which one gets lynched? Either way, you're probably going to be proven innocent or guilty anyways. Because Mistress Kupp is innocent, whereas I believe Donena to be the remaining scum after whittling down the clues we've been given. I'm not fighting for myself here.
Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 No, because Z and Y are both suspects for the same crime; both are women with headgear, who aren't married. Now this would only match one of you; it is absolutely ridiculous to think that clues would be given to give the town a two in three chance to find a Dark One, as opposed to the one Dark One out of the three the clues are designed to give us. Z and Y both can't be Dark Ones, so kill one, clear the other. Of course, the clues lead to only one killer. But that doesn't make you innocent. And the clue says a woman with hair, not head gear. Because Mistress Kupp is innocent, whereas I believe Donena to be the remaining scum after whittling down the clues we've been given. I'm not fighting for myself here. You should be fighting for yourself. If Mistress Kupp turns out to be scum or if I turn out to be a townie, you're in the wrong here. You should have investigated me as that was the popular viewpoint. You chose to go against the mainstream - that to me smells fishy.
Brickdoctor Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 In all seriousness, there's a slight possibility that all three of us are innocent. This is why I choose the second route. Agreed. But we can't dwell on that. The best way to sort this out remains to lynch one of the suspects.
Professor Flitwick Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Of course, the clues lead to only one killer. But that doesn't make you innocent. And the clue says a woman with hair, not head gear. No, but I (and several others) trust Bananakin, I've found that Mistress Kupp is innocent, and that leaves you. If I defend her, try and convict you (who, by the process of elimination, appears to be a Dark One due to being the last one left after the clues and investigations), I will likely show my true colours as a member of the town. You should be fighting for yourself. If Mistress Kupp turns out to be scum or if I turn out to be a townie, you're in the wrong here. You should have investigated me as that was the popular viewpoint. You chose to go against the mainstream - that to me smells fishy. I chose not to conform to the majority. I was left with two opinions to investigate, Kupp, or you. I chose one, who turned out to be a member of the town, and, again my process of elimination, the other should now be revealed as a Dark One.
Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 I don't trust your investigation period. We still haven't resolved that typo issue. Your initial reluctance to post the investigation and the mistake that Camanakin found makes me very suspicious of you.
RoryoCox Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Agreed. But we can't dwell on that. The best way to sort this out remains to lynch one of the suspects. Without a doubt that is the only way we can go. In my opinion, we need to nail this, to get it right. I would go with Donena's strategy and vote off Mistress Kupp or the Professor. I believe that this would give us a really good insight into the relationship between both of these players and it would also reveal their side. If we turn out to be wrong then we know we can trust the Professor and I am sure he will help us even more.
Professor Flitwick Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 I don't trust your investigation period. We still haven't resolved that typo issue. Your initial reluctance to post the investigation and the mistake that Camanakin found makes me very suspicious of you. What 'typing issue'? You mean the one made by the village elder? Resolved. I've provided a truthful alibi. And the reason I was reluctant was because I thought I'd earn a penalty. Look at that - I did! I was right again! Without a doubt that is the only way we can go. In my opinion, we need to nail this, to get it right. I would go with Donena's strategy and vote off Mistress Kupp or the Professor. I believe that this would give us a really good insight into the relationship between both of these players and it would also reveal their side. If we turn out to be wrong then we know we can trust the Professor and I am sure he will help us even more. Or, we could reverse Donena's strategy, and clear Mistress Kupp, and by extension, clear me. And that way, you would've wasted a day's lynching on either me or Mistress Kupp.
Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 What 'typing issue'? You mean the one made by the village elder? Resolved. I've provided a truthful alibi. And the reason I was reluctant was because I thought I'd earn a penalty. Look at that - I did! I was right again! Or, we could reverse Donena's strategy, and clear Mistress Kupp, and by extension, clear me. And that way, you would've wasted a day's lynching on either me or Mistress Kupp. Nope the voting issue has not been resolved. The "village elder" did not neither agreed nor refuted your claims. You were penalized for quoting, no biggy as you're not in any danger today. Reread my strategies again, I explained everything clearly. Take home message: Voting for me, does not confirm your allegiance to the town (unless I turn out to be scum). So the most logical method is to pick one of you, preferably Mistress Kupp. You prove to be a more helpful ally (provided your town) than her.
Big Cam Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Without a doubt that is the only way we can go. In my opinion, we need to nail this, to get it right. I would go with Donena's strategy and vote off Mistress Kupp or the Professor. I believe that this would give us a really good insight into the relationship between both of these players and it would also reveal their side. If we turn out to be wrong then we know we can trust the Professor and I am sure he will help us even more. Your idea is not bad, but I'm suspicious of you since you were one of the two who did not change your vote away from me yesterday.
Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Your idea is not bad, but I'm suspicious of you since you were one of the two who did not change your vote away from me yesterday. Voting was closed early, so let's not hold it against him.
RoryoCox Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Voting was closed early, so let's not hold it against him. I didn't get back on time yesterday. I would have changed my vote away from you with a doubt in my mind.
CMP Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Don't forget Carly tried to get rid of Flutwuck in her last few moments in life. It may just be me, but it seems unlikely she'd do that to a fellow scum. If we take out Donena, and she's innocent, then either her, Bananakin, or me lied about the clues, or, Flutwuck lied about the investigation. That leaves us with 3 possible liars, assuming Banakin is innocent, although one is now dead. If Donena is scum, then good, tomorrow we do the same routine. If we vote out Kupp, and SHE'S innocent, then we vote out Donena the next day. If we vote out Kupp, and she's scum, we get another scum, Flutwuck. HOWEVER, if Donena is innocent, tomorrow we vote out Kupp. Kupp and Donena wouldn't fight each other like this if they were on the same side, since it would be foolish for Donena to tell us all a clue that would lead us to 2 scums like this. Unless one of us has lied about the clues, either Donena is scum, or Kupp is scum, along with Flutwuck. To summarize my points here: if whoever we vote out today is innocent, then whoever we vote out tomorrow is a scum, assuming we're all smart and not liars.
Brickdoctor Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Nope the voting issue has not been resolved. The "village elder" did not neither agreed nor refuted your claims. You were penalized for quoting, no biggy as you're not in any danger today. Do you really expect the village elder to tell you if he's lying or not? (not that I'm saying he won't, but if he told us things like that this would be a piece of cake to solve) To summarize my points here: if whoever we vote out today is innocent, then whoever we vote out tomorrow is a scum, assuming we're all smart and not liars. Exactly! That's what I'm saying.
Big Cam Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Voting was closed early, so let's not hold it against him. That is true, fair enough.
CMP Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Something just occured to me. God's Guide to Survival states that each scum has one kill card. There are 4 days, so I'm assuming there's still 2 scum left with kill cards. If we vote out Flutwuck, then we've taken a still-primed scum out of the game. If we take out Donena or Kupp, then we've just taken out a useless scum. Now I'm think we vote out Flutwuck. If she's scum, then we're damn smart, and tomorrow we can take out Kupp, knowing we've just saved some townie from death. If Flutwuck is innocent, then tomorrow, we vote out Donena. It's just as chancy as voting out Donena or Kupp today, BUT, the difference is, if we succeed and Flutwuck is scum, then we've just saved a townie. So now I'm tempted for this course.
Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Do you really expect the village elder to tell you if he's lying or not? (not that I'm saying he won't, but if he told us things like that this would be a piece of cake to solve) Of course not, but apparently Flutwuk was using this as support for her claims. I am was merely telling her that it has not been resolved. And to Scotty, I agree with everything you said. I didn't expect anything less from a university student.
RileyC Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Donena, or Kupp. I think with the evidence now pointing to Donena, I think that's the way we have to go. Kupp may be really pissing us off but if Flutwuck is telling the truth it won't help to vote off a known town all on the basis that she was our top suspect and she's acting completely stupid. Donena has still been a suspect all along yet we have never evidence to take her out of the spotlight. For today I think Donena is our best chance at catching a Dark One. I think we have to take a chance in support of the evidence given. It will never be as easy as the first day anymore. Vote: Donena Buena/Donut
Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 New note: Scotty, I like your new reasoning. For the town to survive, we have to minimize our loss.
Big Cam Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Something just occured to me. God's Guide to Survival states that each scum has one kill card. There are 4 days, so I'm assuming there's still 2 scum left with kill cards. If we vote out Flutwuck, then we've taken a still-primed scum out of the game. If we take out Donena or Kupp, then we've just taken out a useless scum. Now I'm think we vote out Flutwuck. If she's scum, then we're damn smart, and tomorrow we can take out Kupp, knowing we've just saved some townie from death. If Flutwuck is innocent, then tomorrow, we vote out Donena. It's just as chancy as voting out Donena or Kupp today, BUT, the difference is, if we succeed and Flutwuck is scum, then we've just saved a townie. So now I'm tempted for this course. That actually sounds like very sound reasoning, I may go with this if nothing else it's presented.
Donut Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 I think with the evidence now pointing to Donena, I think that's the way we have to go. Kupp may be really pissing us off but if Flutwuck is telling the truth it won't help to vote off a known town all on the basis that she was our top suspect and she's acting completely stupid. Donena has still been a suspect all along yet we have never evidence to take her out of the spotlight. For today I think Donena is our best chance at catching a Dark One. I think we have to take a chance in support of the evidence given. It will never be as easy as the first day anymore. As you said things are not going to be easy, but are things what they appear? Are you willing to take in the information at face value? I have to admit, it is very hard for me to prove my innocence when there is an investigation that proved the other suspect to be "innocent". All I can do is fight on and hopefully persuade to people that I am innocent.
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