The Coming Darkness - Day Three

[Pandora]

One thing we should consider is that perhaps a Dark One has won the challenge and won't be using the investigation card. In which case, we're on our own to figure out who to vote for. Actually, this should probably be decided right now, before it's too late to make up our mind.

That is a very good point, although a Dark One could yet use the card and falsify the results. I myself am starting to feel quite sleepy, and I doubt I'll be able to stay awake until nightfall, even though that is but a few short hours away.

I understand people's desire to focus on Craig's killer, but we don't seem to be any further down that road and the only thing of which I am certain is that I am one of two suspects in Professor Flutwuck's murder and I am Town.

Therefore, assuming the clues we have are correct, the other suspect, Scotty Pie, must be a Dark One.

My vote stands until a considerably better focus for my vote can be found in the short time before I fall asleep.

We are also still waiting on the results of Bubb's witness card.

[Fugazi]

In that case, for Craig's death, I'm a little suspicious of Mugg for that apparently useless clue he got. But neither of them strikes me as suspicious enough to lynch.

And even then, it's assuming that the wedding ring clue has been truthfully reported by Scotty. Otherwise, neither of Mugg or Ram Strut could be involved.

[Brickdoctor]

that I am one of two suspects in Professor Flutwuck's murder and I am Town.

But wouldn't any person in your spot say that same thing? If you are scum, I certainly wouldn't expect you to come out and say, 'I am one of the suspects and I know I am scum. Lynch me!'. Both scum and Townies in your position would say they were Town.

I'm not accusing here, mostly just think out loud, but somehow the fact that you just claimed very strongly that you are Town and you know it therefore Scotty must be scum when no one's really accusing you right now seems wrong to me. (in fact, at this point, if the day ended, Scotty would be the one lynched) I hope I'm making sense here, but your statement to me sounded like you're trying to emphasize how much you're sure you're Town and we shouldn't lynch you, and you're not even in much danger of being lynched right now. Like you're not in danger, but you can tell you might be in danger, and you're trying to look like a Townie would when he's in danger even though you're not in danger.

And even then, it's assuming that the wedding ring clue has been truthfully reported by Scotty. Otherwise, neither of Mugg or Ram Strut could be involved.

Right. So it looks like, if we don't get an Investigation (or if we get an Investigation from someone who we don't think we can trust), we need to focus on the Flutwuck case.

[Fugazi]

Before I forget and in case I need to go away for a nap: Proxy: Camanakin Skywalker (Big Cam).

[Big Cam]

But wouldn't any person in your spot say that same thing? If you are scum, I certainly wouldn't expect you to come out and say, 'I am one of the suspects and I know I am scum. Lynch me!'. Both scum and Townies in your position would say they were Town.

I'm not accusing here, mostly just think out loud, but somehow the fact that you just claimed very strongly that you are Town and you know it therefore Scotty must be scum when no one's really accusing you right now seems wrong to me. (in fact, at this point, if the day ended, Scotty would be the one lynched) I hope I'm making sense here, but your statement to me sounded like you're trying to emphasize how much you're sure you're Town and we shouldn't lynch you, and you're not even in much danger of being lynched right now. Like you're not in danger, but you can tell you might be in danger, and you're trying to look like a Townie would when he's in danger even though you're not in danger.

Right. So it looks like, if we don't get an Investigation (or if we get an Investigation from someone who we don't think we can trust), we need to focus on the Flutwuck case.

Bananakin is right, you are making up a huge defense for accusations that have not exactly been thrown at you ?

[Pandora]

I'm not accusing here, mostly just think out loud, but somehow the fact that you just claimed very strongly that you are Town and you know it therefore Scotty must be scum when no one's really accusing you right now seems wrong to me. (in fact, at this point, if the day ended, Scotty would be the one lynched) I hope I'm making sense here, but your statement to me sounded like you're trying to emphasize how much you're sure you're Town and we shouldn't lynch you, and you're not even in much danger of being lynched right now. Like you're not in danger, but you can tell you might be in danger, and you're trying to look like a Townie would when he's in danger even though you're not in danger.

The reason I'm emphasising it now is that, as I've stated I'll be falling asleep soon, and who knows what will be said in my absence. There are an awful lot of people left to vote, and who knows how that will end up? I may not be in danger right now, but things change, and the person I'm pointing the finger at will likely be awake while I'm sleeping.

I'm merely making the point that, rather than focusing on a case in which the clues are in doubt and the guilty party is unclear, I personally am focusing on the case about which I at least know something (i.e. that I'm innocent). I can only assume that Scotty is a Dark One by assuming the clues for the case are true. I feel the need to clarify myself given the aforementioned "personality change" and the baggage that comes with it. Plus, it would be an awful lot easier to not draw attention to myself and agree with you Bananakin, and Mistress Kupp, in wanting to focus on Craig's murder.

Again, I appreciate you were thinking out loud, but I don't really want to wake up dead. (You know what I mean)

[Rumble Strike]

I feel like we have been waiting for an investigation for ages. I think the Dark Ones won that challenge, and no investigation will be forthcoming. It was bound to happen, given that the two previous investigations tipped the balance of opinion as to who got lynched. The Dark Ones lost 2 people because they lost both challenges.

I really feel I should contribute to the clues more today, with so much going on. I want to use a witness card and obviously shouldn't investigate the murder I am a suspect in. With Bubb not reporting his witness card yet (which is a tad suspicious in itself), I shall play mine, and hope we can divine something from it:

I would like to investigate the death of Professor Flutwuck.

[Brickdoctor]

The reason I'm emphasising it now is that, as I've stated I'll be falling asleep soon, and who knows what will be said in my absence. There are an awful lot of people left to vote, and who knows how that will end up? I may not be in danger right now, but things change, and the person I'm pointing the finger at will likely be awake while I'm sleeping.

It's not like you haven't said it before: I personally think it's already been emphasized. And I don't think it needed emphasizing, given that we already know anyone in that spot would say the same thing.

Given that I appear on a list with only Scotty, and I know that I am Town, I must assume that Scotty is a Dark One unless there has been interference with the content of the clues from our Town Elder.

However I am Burrito, I know I am innocent and I also know that investigating me will prove me so (assuming the investigator is also Town).

Again, I appreciate you were thinking out loud, but I don't really want to wake up dead. (You know what I mean)

What exactly do you mean by that? The 'but' makes it sound like you think my thinking out loud could lead to your waking up dead. And if you think that, you must think that my thoughts are a threat to you. And if you think that, chances are it's because you think my thoughts are leading towards something you're hiding.

Again, I'm not accusing here (yet), just stating what I've noticed and why it makes me feel the way I do about who to lynch.

I've also gone back and looked over Burrito's past statements, and he did a lot of agreeing with Donena, who we now know to be scum, on the topic of lyching Flutwuck instead of Donena. I recall he even said that lynching Donena would be a 'wild move'. As compared to lynching Flutwuck, which he wanted to happen, when Flutwuck wasn't even one of the suspects.

[CMP]

That is a very good point, although a Dark One could yet use the card and falsify the results. I myself am starting to feel quite sleepy, and I doubt I'll be able to stay awake until nightfall, even though that is but a few short hours away.

I understand people's desire to focus on Craig's killer, but we don't seem to be any further down that road and the only thing of which I am certain is that I am one of two suspects in Professor Flutwuck's murder and I am Town.

Therefore, assuming the clues we have are correct, the other suspect, Scotty Pie, must be a Dark One.

My vote stands until a considerably better focus for my vote can be found in the short time before I fall asleep.

We are also still waiting on the results of Bubb's witness card.

So by saying I'm Town, that makes you scum?

Both of us could be lying. Who knows? It seems like you want Flutwuck's murder solved as quickly as possible. Which is rather interesting. I'm perfectly ready to wait for an investigation, but as stated, it seems the scum may have gotten there first.

[Pandora]

What exactly do you mean by that? The 'but' makes it sound like you think my thinking out loud could lead to your waking up dead. And if you think that, you must think that my thoughts are a threat to you. And if you think that, chances are it's because you think my thoughts are leading towards something you're hiding.

No, that was not what I was saying and sorry for any confusion. I was saying that I didn't think you were accusing me, but that others might in my absence, and what might be said while I'm not around may get me (wrongfully) lynched.

I've also gone back and looked over Burrito's past statements, and he did a lot of agreeing with Donena, who we now know to be scum, on the topic of lyching Flutwuck instead of Donena. I recall he even said that lynching Donena would be a 'wild move'. As compared to lynching Flutwuck, which he wanted to happen, when Flutwuck wasn't even one of the suspects.

I have said before, even I cannot explain my thinking in the past two days. This has already been pointed out and goes some way to explain my desire to clear my good name before I go to sleep.

So by saying I'm Town, that makes you scum?

Both of us could be lying. Who knows? It seems like you want Flutwuck's murder solved as quickly as possible. Which is rather interesting. I'm perfectly ready to wait for an investigation, but as stated, it seems the scum may have gotten there first.

I want both the murders solved as quickly as possible for the sake of the Town. I cannot halt the investigation and I certainly do not want to. I am merely making my views plain before I sleep. Even before today's challenge was set by the Town Elder I was calling on people to investigate me and clear my name.

[Brickdoctor]

No, that was not what I was saying and sorry for any confusion. I was saying that I didn't think you were accusing me, but that others might in my absence, and what might be said while I'm not around may get me (wrongfully) lynched.

Okay. It still seems a little bit fishy to me, but I'll accept that.

I have said before, even I cannot explain my thinking in the past two days. This has already been pointed out and goes some way to explain my desire to clear my good name before I go to sleep.

Nevertheless, those actions were performed the way they were for a reason. Just because it's possible that Burman was scum and not as good at hiding it as I know you are you were not performing and thinking well doesn't make those statements any less suspicious. The fact that you were not yourself is, in my book, an explanation for the reason the suspiciousness was so obvious, not an explanation for the suspiciousness itself. (and even if you would never have said those things in the first place were you yourself, the fact remains that they were said because the you of the past Days wanted something from them. And right now it looks like that something was a lynching of someone we now know was Town.)

[Pandora]

Nevertheless, those actions were performed the way they were for a reason. Just because it's possible that Burman was scum and not as good at hiding it as I know you are you were not performing and thinking well doesn't make those statements any less suspicious. The fact that you were not yourself is, in my book, an explanation for the reason the suspiciousness was so obvious, not an explanation for the suspiciousness itself. (and even if you would never have said those things in the first place were you yourself, the fact remains that they were said because the you of the past Days wanted something from them. And right now it looks like that something was a lynching of someone we now know was Town.)

It's a fair point, and I honestly wish I had an answer. But I don't.

I really have to sleep now.

[Rumble Strike]

My clue just came in:

The person fleeing the scene clearly was definitely not wearing a wedding ring.

This is the same clue that Mugg Kupp gave. So both suspects in one murder got the same clue for the other murder. I'm not sure if that helps either mine or Mugg's case, to be honest. However, it does put Roweena under suspicion as neither of hers have been qualified, and this verified clue did not reduce the number of suspects when it first came out, we already had it down to two (Scotty/Burman).

[Brickdoctor]

This is the same clue that Mugg Kupp gave. So both suspects in one murder got the same clue for the other murder. I'm not sure if that helps either mine or Mugg's case, to be honest. However, it does put Roweena under suspicion as neither of hers have been qualified, and this verified clue did not reduce the number of suspects when it first came out, we already had it down to two (Scotty/Burman).

That's a good point. Though if we think about it, if Roweena did indeed seek to lead us astray with a clue, I think it would have to be the pink skin clue, because with that clue, if she was scum, she tried to make us jump on a single suspect based on Witness Cards alone. And if that was indeed an attempt to get us to lynch the wrong person, remember that her initial interpretation of that clue was that only Scotty was left, when we know god would never make things that easy and she deliberately excluded Burrito from the suspect list.

[Rumble Strike]

I personally think it wass suspicious of her to play both witness cards one after the other like that. You have a lot of power to narrow people's thinking that way. Even if she's Town and being enthusiastic, it looks bad.

Today was always going to be the day when the Dark Ones realised just how this game was played and what they could do to scupper the Town. Everyone could see how we went through and got the clues, and then doublechecked if necessary, and then went for the investigations. I think that it is possible Roweena tried to sabotage that process. As you say, it only needed her to falsify the second clue, not both.

[Mrlegoninja]

I find the clues and suspects to be more solid in the Otoko Case. I think we should lynch someone from that case.

[Brickdoctor]

I find the clues and suspects to be more solid in the Otoko Case. I think we should lynch someone from that case.

The clues are more solid. The problem is that neither of the suspects seems suspicious enough to lynch. If we could get an investigation from a trustworthy person on one of those suspects, then I would agree with you.

[MacK]

I have no idea how you think this would help anything? If you already submitted your answers, there is no point for you to tell us, so we can what? Submit the same answers? That makes no dense, the first right answer would get it.

I didn't actually submit any of my answers, as I didn't want to interfere with the investigation.

If somebody has the investigation card, now would be the time to use it. If nobody is willing to use the investigation do you all feel confident with the clues so that we can place a vote? Remember we can still play more witness cards if needed.

[Brickdoctor]

If somebody has the investigation card, now would be the time to use it. If nobody is willing to use the investigation do you all feel confident with the clues so that we can place a vote? Remember we can still play more witness cards if needed.

If someone trustworthy is willing to play a card, another one towards Flutwuck's death might not be a bad idea.

[robuko]

Back from my night rounds, I find that I hold the investigation power today. While I have been away, Bubb has not reported his clue, which I think would be the crucial flesh colour clue and

Ram Strutt (Flutwuck case, played while a suspect) clue - no wedding ring - confirms Mugg Kupp

Is there any consensus who to investigate?

[Rumble Strike]

I'd obviously like Mugg Kupp investigated to clear myself as a suspect, as long as we think it's for the Town's best interests. I know there are 2 other people who are suspects in the different murder and this is the first time this scenario has happened, so I'm not being presumptious as to who should be investigated.

[robuko]

updating day 3

So far, witness cards used

day 1

Carly (scum) clue - smiling

Donena (scum) clue - black

Robanakin clue - no wedding ring

Eskipo (Town) clue - black - confirms Donena

day 2

ScottyPie clue -woman

Donena (scum) clue - hair

Bananakin (Probably town) clue - no wedding ring got this wrong yesterday

Mugg clue - woman - confirms ScottyPie

Robanakin - tried to play but couldn't get specific information

day 3

Otoko case

Mrs le Go Ninja clue - man

Bananakin (probably town) clue- green

ScottyPie clue (played when a suspect for Flutwuck) clue- had a wedding ring

Mistress Kupp (town) clue - man

Roweena (clue - cape

Roweena clue - pink

Mugg Kupp (played when a suspect for Otoko) clue - no ring

Womanikin clue - cape

Bubb Kupp clue ???

Ram Strutt (played when a suspect for Otoko) clue - no ring

I am willing to play a further witness card if we think it would help. I think the clues are going around in the order asked, so I think if I witnessed Otoko I would get a repeat of Banankin's clue, which I trust, and if I witnessed Flutwuck I would get a repeat of the first clue again - cape.

[Brickdoctor]

Is there any consensus who to investigate?

Hopefully I'm not too late saying this, but investigate Scotty Pie. His is the one weak clue in the Otoko case, and he's a suspect in the Flutwuck case. My second choice would be Mugg.

I am willing to play a further witness card if we think it would help. I think the clues are going around in the order asked, so I think if I witnessed Otoko I would get a repeat of Banankin's clue, which I trust, and if I witnessed Flutwuck I would get a repeat of the first clue again - cape.

Confirming the cape clue could be huge.

[MacK]

I'd obviously like Mugg Kupp investigated to clear myself as a suspect, as long as we think it's for the Town's best interests. I know there are 2 other people who are suspects in the different murder and this is the first time this scenario has happened, so I'm not being presumptious as to who should be investigated.

Well I agree with you here. I'd love to see myself investigated by a fellow townie, as it would only prove my own innocence. Of course it's really up to the investigation cards owner as to who should be investigated.

[robuko]

Hopefully I'm not too late saying this, but investigate Scotty Pie. His is the one weak clue in the Otoko case, and he's a suspect in the Flutwuck case. My second choice would be Mugg.

Confirming the cape clue could be huge.

ok, I will go for the clue first as this may change the outcome of the investigation.

I would like to investigate the murder of Professor Flutwuck