lightningtiger Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) This guy is complaining that the vehicles lack doors, yet ignores the fact that police don't use cargo choppers in real life? Imagine if every police force owned a $100 million + chopper? If they ever needed one (and I can't think why) they would just charter one. Welcome to the wild and crazy world of Lego 'MrZ', I do agree with you on the jumbo copter - should have been a rescue or freight copter. Plus on the vehicle doors issue, maybe the actual designer of those particular sets doesn't like those doors. Quick and serious edit here.....I just had a very close look at the garbage truck and spotted a major design fault....the wheels and wheel arches - it's missing the normal 1 plate thickness gap to allow free motion of the wheels. Edited October 22, 2011 by lightningtiger Quote
Piranha Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) This guy is complaining that the vehicles lack doors, yet ignores the fact that police don't use cargo choppers in real life? Imagine if every police force owned a $100 million + chopper? If they ever needed one (and I can't think why) they would just charter one. Lets not forget that in LEGO there are alot of things not found in real life. , I agree with KD, some doors would have been good. Edited October 22, 2011 by Macoco Quote
David Thomsen Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Quick and serious edit here.....I just had a very close look at the garbage truck and spotted a major design fault....the wheels and wheel arches - it's missing the normal 1 plate thickness gap to allow free motion of the wheels. Are you sure? I thought the wheels still turned when they were that close to the arch. Quote
L@go Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) Quick and serious edit here.....I just had a very close look at the garbage truck and spotted a major design fault....the wheels and wheel arches - it's missing the normal 1 plate thickness gap to allow free motion of the wheels. I'm a bit surprised that you have so little faith in Lego's designers! In pretty much all my vehicle MOCs I use that narrow gap between the wheels and the arches, and it's no problem. The key here is which tyre you use: The 87697, Tire Offset Tread Small Wide - Band Around Center of Tread, or the old version, 6015, Tire Offset Tread Small Wide, will fit quite nicely without touching the sides of the arches. The problem arises when you use 60700, Tire 20mm D. x 12mm - Offset Tread Small Wider, Beveled Tread Edge - which will give you the no-roll issue unless you add another plate between the axle plate and the arches. The keyword really is "wide" versus "wider". Wide will fit, wider won't, simple as that! :) Edited October 22, 2011 by L@go Quote
wooootles Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Yes, nothing to worry about there. The current "small cars" which use those tires and arches leave that much space and can still turn freely. In fact I have my car MOCs with that clearance. http://www.brickset.com/detail/?Set=8402-1 <- example. Quote
Alywin Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Friday I'll see if I have new pictures of the 2012 sets can make. Then I put them on a Dutch website. This is a friend. www.natuurfotograafmarcel.nl legomilk, I went to your friend's website but failed to find anything about 2012 sets. So, any new 2012 sets seen? Quote
lightningtiger Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Yes, nothing to worry about there. The current "small cars" which use those tires and arches leave that much space and can still turn freely. In fact I have my car MOCs with that clearance. http://www.brickset.com/detail/?Set=8402-1 <- example. Yes, but it doesn't look right on a truck of that size and that car doesn't weigh as much as that garbage truck....we shall see in the future with the first review eh ? Quote
Yamon Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Wow..just wow, some amazing sets. I still haven't finished buying up some of this years sets, and it seems next years sets are going to kill the pocket too! (also sorry about the prices being in GBP!) 4206 Recycling Truck Looks good. But all them stickers X_x!!! Lots of nice accesories. Estimated Price: £19.99 4208 4x4 Fire Truck Meh, seems like its a poor reproduction of the old 4x4 (7942) which was brilliant, with all its accesories. It looks a bit awkward being really short and tall. However, I think the tree on fire is quite cool! Price Estimate: £13.99 4209 Fire Plane Brilliant, its realistic, and I like the translucent blue bricks which would be water, again with the burning tree(forest theme really becoming prominent). We already have a helicopter, so TLG thinks its time for a plane. Can't blame them but not for me. Price Estimate: £29.99 4427 Fire ATV Police have an ATV so the Lego City Fire Department need to have one as well. Don't get why the Fire Extinguisher is hanging of the front though, again like another old set(which i got for free from a newspaper!) Price Estimate: £3.99 4430 Mobile Fire Command Centre Big, ugly truck. Fits in with the Forest theme again. But isn't this just like 7213, except a bit more flash with the Amphibious truck. Looks OK, but another set not for me. Price Estimate: £39.99 4431 Ambulance OH WOW!!@@!!!@!@!@!LOOKS AMAZING. Out of all of the sets we know of so far, this is the one I want the most. But only probably because I missed the last Ambulance!Maybe its an early sign for the Summer sets, that we get a hospital. We also have a female Paramedic, with a male, for that political correctness, but the red uniforms are slightly horrendous. Also the back door to the ambulance is a small fail :( I was hoping for actual doors....But I've been waiting for this set for a long time...No Complaints. Top of the list for me Price Estimate: £13.99 4432 Garbage Truck Just like above, I've been wanting one of these too. I missed the last Garbage truck >_< It looks pretty nice(ut also quite small) and as a few of you mentioned before, the wheel arch is very close to the wheel. This is not a problem for smaller sets, but as this is slightly larger...it may cause problems(lets hope not though) Love all the details, and this is also at the top of the list for me. Price Estimate: £13.99(but maybe £19.99 :( ) 4433 Dirt Bike Transporter Looks cool, I like the Range Rover style it has, its again similar to the 4x4 in the Farm sub-theme. Lots of nice little accessories, and am I mistaken into thinking we are seeing Octan people again? :D (with the Power Boat Transporter, and now this..) Maybe we will see a garage or service station in the future! Price Estimate: £13.99(possibly as low as £10.99) 4434 Tipper Truck Looks OK. seems versatile, can be used for a building site, roadworks, or for General Refuse collection. If I have cash to spare I'll get this Price Estimate: £13.99 4435 Car and Caravan Camper Van 2 years ago and now a caravan. For those who have a camping site or something. But its just a general set. It's pretty cool but.. meh Price Estimate: £13.99 4436 Patrol Car Cool! :D A patrol car, seems nice enough, and this is us heading back into the Forest Theme. I think its cool enough A nice little set to add-on to the much larger forst theme sets. Price Estimate: £8.99 4437 Police Pursuit Ok now this is just a sort of repeat of last years police Chase, but in a forest. We see another Police ATV, and thief in a 4x4. I like the small details such as the fact the thief has no sleeves(pretty hardcore) And that the Policeman has a gold visor( :o awesome!) and a more Ranger style uniform. Price Estimate: £8.99 4438 Forest Police Command Centre RAWR! theres a bear. Doesn't look like a Command Centre, more like some civilians Lodge, but we haven't seen the inside. Not really for me. Price Estimate: £23.99 4439 Heavy Lift Helicopter What a monstrosity! It looks absolutely awful. Don't know why the Police would need a Cargo Copter, it could be OK for other uses, but the front rotor blades make me rip my eyes out! @_@ Price Estimate: £29.99 4440 Forest Police Station A nice Police Station. Nice details and all but..meh. Price Estimate: £29.99(knowing TLG it will more likely be £39.99) Police Dog Van Now wait a minute...Don't we already have one of these. I got one on my table! The one that came out this year!rage!!@!@! But this one is bigger, and can carry, not one, but two dogs, PLUS ACCESSORIES! And in addition to this there is a car to chase down, plus some scenery in the form of a closed down Mine Entrance. This one is bigger, and I will probably also get this. Price Estimate: £19.99 The sets I'd like to get are: 4206, 4431, 4432, and 4441. If i have some spare cash 4436 and 4434. Man this is going to be another year which is heavy on the pocket! Quote
wooootles Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Yes, but it doesn't look right on a truck of that size and that car doesn't weigh as much as that garbage truck....we shall see in the future with the first review eh ? Sure. Point is, the wheels won't lock up with that design, but yeah, I think you and I have spare 2x4 plates that we could wedge into the chassis for that tall "truck-like" feeling. Quote
lightningtiger Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Sure. Point is, the wheels won't lock up with that design, but yeah, I think you and I have spare 2x4 plates that we could wedge into the chassis for that tall "truck-like" feeling. True, true, but the look more like it is the problem unless there is a reason for it....I say it was cost cutting....gee two 2x2 plates, I've got spares...why is it always the garbage truck...last time the back flap section would always drop off now the wheel arches look funny - aw, well you get that in the world of Lego ! Quote
MrZ Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Anyone know what current sets are likely to be retired to make way for the 2012 sets? And what are the prices likely to be in Australia? US$19.99 = AU$29.99 ? Quote
frogstudio Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 True, true, but the look more like it is the problem unless there is a reason for it....I say it was cost cutting....gee two 2x2 plates, I've got spares...why is it always the garbage truck...last time the back flap section would always drop off now the wheel arches look funny - aw, well you get that in the world of Lego ! I don't agree. To me, it's a design decision in order to keep the profile lower... Quote
Ferdik Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) Yes, but it doesn't look right on a truck of that size and that car doesn't weigh as much as that garbage truck....we shall see in the future with the first review eh ? The design is close to modern garbage trucks like this one: http://www.trailer.se/bildarkiv/46/49db656c1df12.jpg Or this: It's a low chassi because driver and crew constant jump in and out. Edited October 24, 2011 by Ferdik Quote
BrickStorm Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Wow, my first reaction when seeing 4430 Mobile Fire Command Centre was "holy crap, did LEGO just build a bloody STRYKER?!" seriously though, making firefighting versions of armored personnel carriers isn't too farfetched an idea (Us aussies are doing it with our lighter vehicles), but Strykers can't float and they have a roof... 4439 Heavy Lift Helicopter What a monstrosity! It looks absolutely awful. Don't know why the Police would need a Cargo Copter, it could be OK for other uses, but the front rotor blades make me rip my eyes out! @_@ Guess you'll have a fit first time you see a CH-47 Chinook fly. the rotors are designed to rotate in opposite directions to remove the need for a tail rotor like normal choppers. The lego box suggests you can drive the sextuplet(?)-bike up the back ramp into the chopper, though I thought it would be cooler if it came with something you could sling-load underneath the bird, even if you just did it with the sex-bike (yeah, I think I'll be calling it that from now on) I like how lego lately have been making versions of real aircraft (the SA 330 Super Puma and S-64 Skycrane being the last two examples) but I agree with the notion that this would have been better depicted as a civilian cargo/passenger aircraft. Either way, it's going to be hard for me not to pick this one up. The garbage truck really appeals to me, dunno why, maybe it's just that cab design is so different and recognizable as a garbage truck. That being said I think it would be a great idea if TLG brought out a modern garbage truck with a working technic even if the technic side of it turns out not to be feasible it would still be a so much better take on the whole "guy chucking bins in he back" lego garbo trucks that have been around since before I was born. Quote
HuskerDont Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Wow, my first reaction when seeing 4430 Mobile Fire Command Centre was "holy crap, did LEGO just build a bloody STRYKER?!" That was my first reaction as well. I might buy that set just to make a fire fighting version of one Quote
SRTracerB Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) Anyone know what current sets are likely to be retired to make way for the 2012 sets? And what are the prices likely to be in Australia? US$19.99 = AU$29.99 ? Not sure about AUS but here in the US it seems like the best place to tell is the bulk brick sales (pick a brick wall). Seems like the excess pieces from sets that aren't going to be made anymore start to turn up there. One of my local Lego stores has alot of pieces from #7288. Brandon Edited October 25, 2011 by SRTracerB Quote
Bellicose Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) There are civil H-47 Chinook operators (it's called the Model 234), but it's not very common. It would have made more sense to make it a logging or firefighting model than a police one, but that's something that is easily remedied. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/BV234cnMJ005.jpg Edited October 25, 2011 by Hinckley Picture size too large. In violation of Site Guidelines. Quote
MrZ Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Not sure about AUS but here in the US it seems like the best place to tell is the bulk brick sales (pick a brick wall). Seems like the excess pieces from sets that aren't going to be made anymore start to turn up there. One of my local Lego stores has alot of pieces from #7288. Brandon My guess is that the farm sets will all go. I never see them in stores - do they even sell? The RV will also probably go as it was introduced back in '09 and the car and camper will make it pretty much redundant. I don't see them discontinuing 7288 though, as it was only introduced this year? Quote
Yamon Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) Anyone know what current sets are likely to be retired to make way for the 2012 sets? And what are the prices likely to be in Australia? US$19.99 = AU$29.99 ? Some of the REALLY old Fire Sets which have been around since 2007 are most likely to go such as the 7942 Off-Road Fire Rescue and 7239 Fire Truck. But some of the newer fire sets could stay. And these are some conversion rates: £1 = $1.6(US Dollar) $1(US Dollar) = $0.96(Australian Dollar) £1 = $1.53 Australian Dollar. Dem Currencies... EDIT: I don't know if you guys know this or no but I have a few confirmed prices on sets! 4206 Recycling Truck: $29.99(so I was right-ish about it being £19.99 ^_^) 4431 Ambulance: $19.99 4432 Garbage Truck: $19.99 4433 Dirt Bike Transporter: $19.99 4434 Tipper Truck: $19.99 4435 Car and Caravan: Guess what.....another 19 US Dollars and 99 cents! This is all that is known atm. But looks like we're getting a lot of nice Medium Sized sets of about 130-150 pieces each. Edited October 25, 2011 by Yamon Quote
Yamon Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) Also are those new wheel arches? They seem much shorter covering only 2/8 of the wheel instead of the usual 5/8. Edit: deleted pictures. Edited October 25, 2011 by Yamon Quote
meyerc13 Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 My guess is that the farm sets will all go. I never see them in stores - do they even sell? The RV will also probably go as it was introduced back in '09 and the car and camper will make it pretty much redundant. I don't see them discontinuing 7288 though, as it was only introduced this year? The Farm sets are long gone in the US, regretfully (would have loved to find a Farm for my 3.5 year old daughter who latched onto that theme, but that's what MOC'ing is for). The airport theme in the US has gone to TRU exclusive status, you won't find those in Wal Mart or Target any more. That subtheme was from 2010, so even a major subtheme like that won't necessarily last long in general availability. It will be interesting to see what LEGO plans to do with their existing police and fire subthemes. Some of those sets are very new, but keeping those on the shelf alongside the new Forest police/fire will result in a lot of redundant sets on the shelves. For example, the current police K9 unit and Prisoner Transport will be made somewhat redundant by the new K9 unit. So perhaps those two will be disappearing soon, but who can say? If those were sets I liked, I would probably pick them up sooner rather than later. Also are those new wheel arches? Yes. They are used throughout the 2012 line, and have been previously discussed in this thread. Quote
GRogall Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Also are those new wheel arches? They seem much shorter covering only 2/8 of the wheel instead of the usual 5/8. @Yamon: Please don't link pictures in this size from my BS gallery! use the thumbs folder! Quote
Yamon Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) @Yamon: Please don't link pictures in this size from my BS gallery! use the thumbs folder! Thanks for your concern. I'll be sure to post thumbnails in the future!(sorry for off topic and for using big pics) And thanks meyerc13! They look good on some of the smaller sets, but a bit awkward on the large new K9 Unit. Edited October 25, 2011 by Yamon Quote
dakotasbricks Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 These sets are terrible, way to unrealistic. I dont even waste my money anymore! I just buy them for the pieces, not for the overall set. I wish lego would apeal more to its TFOL and AFOL fanbase. But I guess we can only dream! ! ! Quote
Vindicare Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 These sets are terrible, way to unrealistic. I dont even waste my money anymore! I just buy them for the pieces, not for the overall set. I wish lego would apeal more to its TFOL and AFOL fanbase. But I guess we can only dream! ! ! It's because Lego is a childrens toy. What's so unrealistic about the sets? Quote
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