Baritones 3: Day One

[CMP]

Well, what an unhelpful first 24 hours. No slip-ups, and jumping on the smallest shred of evidence. So your average first day.

[Rick]

Petr, why don't you share with us who you think is most suspicious? You clearly have someone in mind.

That is issue, I have no one I suspect, just people I suspect less than other people. If I had to make vote in dark, I would vote Barbara. Why? Because we have no evidence for no one, and she has said ONLY thing that has raised any red flag at all. This is thing that bother Petr.

She asks for vote to be cast, but does not say she will be part of it. She then talks up drug point, which I think people are playing up to distract us. Soounds very much like she wants lynch, but does not want to partake in it.

Falicia first brought this up as a reaction to your earlier statement today:

There are some people I am suspicious of more than other people, it is true.

This was before Barbara even spoke up. So, either you have people you are (and even were when you said this) suspicious of or it was the vodka talking. I truly appreciate you making an effort on day 1, but I think it's good to clarify your earlier statement at this point.

[Zepher]

I meant by that simply that there were people I was more suspect of than others... but the people I were more suspect of were in fact majority. It was saying that I was forming ideas, but that there is so many people and so much to look at that I had no clear leads, but I was not throwing what I saw and heard out window. Do you see? Does this make sense? I was basically saying I believed that maybe a few people were LESS suspect to me, namely the ones I named then, but that I wasn't going to name names because still so many people were suspect that it would be such a long list is would be no use.

Even my Barbara accusation I do not know about. I am suspect of her pushing vote vaguely, but am at same time very suspect of those people pushing no vote, because the scum may know what they could gain by no vote, and it makes sense to push no vote. It is as Rusalana (I think) said, it must be worse than not voting if it is a penalty. So people who do not want vote worry me.

My main point is this, all times today. I am not throwing anything out window, and I do think that vote is important, and so if I need to, I will vote on the best evidence I find to get ball rolling. But with 28 people, is hard to zero in on one. I can maybe take out few names I do NOT think are smart to vote for, but to pick one person who I DO think should be killed is so much of a challenge.

[iamded]

Yawn. This is boring and stupid.

Hahah, you sure speak from the heart.

The point of Eugene'shabithabbit duly duely noted

Wow. Did someone slip something into the coffee and donuts?

I can see saying that coming back to bite me as 'it doesn't help us catch any scum' and blah blah blah, but lighten up folks. Just 'cause the Mafia are in town, doesn't mean the world is ending. Town's beaten them back twice before, I'm sure we can do it again.

Now, about first day voting. I know, I know. It's been discussed to death in past books, but there are so many of us here, now. Which makes circumstances different. Perhaps first day voting is not the best thing to do. We no doubt have an investigator who can find things out in the night, so at least we'd have that tomorrow. And we have the power of private messaging here, so we can use that to our advantage as well to try and establish alliances, or at least check some other people out, or something. I don't know, I'm just thinking maybe Denis had a point earlier.

[Eskallon]

Hello my friends,

Today has been relatively quiet with nobody really knowing what to do and who to trust. This is of course to be expected and while I doubted that we would get anywhere today it seems I may have found some unusual behaviour through Nika. Now I will start by presenting my evidence on the table, here is my first quote about the heroin addiction:

Oh dear,

What has my life come to, no girl, an addiction to heroin, gambling and booze. Now you want me to vote off my friends and family. Well, if my father taught me anything, it was to respect the knowledgeable ones, so I will follow Ivan's instructions and cast my vote today. Who for is the question.

I will be doing my duty to you all and listening to what everyone has to say and analyse it to the best of my ability. I hope all my fellow town will also be watching out for any mistakes made.

As you will read, while yes I mention the heroin, I also spoke about how I plan to help deal with the situation by analysing and diving deeper.

Sounds like someone could be easily manipulated by the mob... Is there a vice you don't have? I think we, the town, should keep an eye on you.

The however I received this reply, with no one before having cared about the statement, she jumps in and comments on it. At the time I was fine with this and realise that she was only being cautious.

I'm not sure that anyone has really done anything to warrant trust yet. Talking like a townie would be easy to fake and I have no doubt there are those among us who would do it expertly.

As for suspicion, I think Eugene (Eskallon) seems suspicious only because he mentioned a drug habit. I think the mob would prey on the weak and exploit substance abuse to get what they want from someone. This is only a feeling, though. No one else has really set off any alarms for me.

Then a whole FIVE pages later she decides to mention it out of the blue, everyone else is focusing on something more credible yet she goes back to the main point and talks about my drugs. Why would she be so pressed for this over one role playing comment at the start of the day where I was setting the tone of my speech.

Yes, I admit that it might just be roleplaying but it's the only suspicion I have. I'm far from saying we should get pitchforks ready for him. I just thought it was worth discussing.

And Eugene, drugs may be a part of what you are but they shouldn't be a part you're proud of. Drug abuse is a serious problem. And heroin is a known gateway drug to scumminess. Just consult any medical journal.

Thankyou, somebody has common sense. Everyone calm down, I am roleplaying since we have nothing to exactly talk about yet do we.

Here I made it very clear to her that I was roleplaying and it was nothing more, yet she kept going on about it below.

I'll be the first to admit that Eugene might not be worth voting for today but openly proclaiming illicit drug use at least deserved an explanation. If that puts me on your suspect list then so be it.

Then above now you see, with nobody else commenting or really listening to her, she yet again brings up that same point. I see this as her trying to do two things:

• First, I see this as her trying to rush us into a vote, all of these were made before the voting barrier opened and to me it seems like she has been trying to gain support on the issue.
  
• Second, I believe that this is trying to distract us. Many people have not even spoken up today and does she talk about them? No is your answer, she decides to focus on a bit of role playing. Why keep bringing this up without having more evidence and even after I explicitly made it clear I was role playing. The answer to these questions is simple, she has been trying to distract us.
  

After concluding the evidence myself I have realised that we cannot deny that she has been trying to distract us and lead us away from finding a true scum. As you can all see, she even persisted to retell the point after it was made clear I was role playing. I am sure that with all my evidence against her, I have found a scum member, I am taking a huge risk when I do this but I really believe she may be scum. So without further ado:

Vote: Nika (CorneliusMurdock)

The evidence is all there, I truly believe that we may have found a scum member and I hope you will also see that we are being tricked and distracted by Nika and her flawed argument.

[Brickdoctor]

It was never "made clear that you were roleplaying". You merely claimed so. Even if you were, the extent to which you took it is what is unusual.

[Fugazi]

You present your argument in a convincing way Eugene. I look forward to hearing from Nika on this matter.

Either way, I must say that it doesn't seem to be a good idea to pick at players with strong (roleplaying) personalities. I don't think it's ever done any good in the past.

[RileyC]

What a hangover...

I have to agree with Falicia on Eugene's ousting of Nika. Even though she's getting stuck on that one thing you said, doesn't mean we should vote her out because of it. She could just be trying to fish for clues just as you are at the moment. We have no real solid evidence at all and taking blind stabs at people without solid evidence is pointless and only gives the scummies the advantage. Still I do this Nika has a bit of explaining to for bringing it back up such a long time later.

[Eskallon]

What a hangover...

I have to agree with Falicia on Eugene's ousting of Nika. Even though she's getting stuck on that one thing you said, doesn't mean we should vote her out because of it. She could just be trying to fish for clues just as you are at the moment. We have no real solid evidence at all and taking blind stabs at people without solid evidence is pointless and only gives the scummies the advantage. Still I do this Nika has a bit of explaining to for bringing it back up such a long time later.

Exactly, she seems so poised on trying to pick on this roleplaying. I can't see any reason for her to be taking these stabs in the dark.

[Dragonator]

My goodness you all talk a lot.

At this point in time, as people have already pointed out, it is going to be very hard for us to come to a collective decision on who may be scum, as there isn't anything we can go off yet. We have the ability to vote, but we need to be careful as it is limited sadly. So for now I will wait and see if we can settle on someone, but I'm not really all that eager to be voting randomly sorry. Eugene raises some interesting points, but I will wait until Nika gets back to us before commenting further.

[Shadows]

Exactly, she seems so poised on trying to pick on this roleplaying. I can't see any reason for her to be taking these stabs in the dark.

I can only see two likely reasons. 1. She's scum and trying to seize any opportunity to misdirect us. 2. She's an idiot.

I have no idea which it is, but in past plays we've put on *proudly adjusts his "I'm a Thespian!" pin* here, my poor character has been killed for enjoying pie (wholly unrelated to the plot) and then my partner in piedom was killed because of it. In that case, it was a 50/50 win for the town, but let to a spiraling disaster and defeat. As such, let's be careful how much we read into our fellow citizens and their potential eccentricities, but let's not throw it out completely, it's really hard to tell what we're looking at here and down the road it may help if we remember anything out of the ordinary.

[Sandy]

What a pickle! I'm getting my brains on a twist again, but I do see sense in Eugene's accusation towards Nika. She does seem a bit too eager to find someone to place blame on. I do understand wanting to vote someone out, since I too believe it's exactly what we must do today for the good of our community, but to go after Eugene just because the poor boy has an unfortunate addiction?

Now, the trouble is that there's a high chance both of them are on our side. I can't imagine the mobsters wanting to draw attention to them in any way, yet once someone makes the decisive move to vote, it's usually either the target of that vote or the voter himself who is voted out, since those two are at the center of the attention.

Should we follow that path today and vote out either Eugene or Nika? I don't really think so for the reasons stated above, but I also know that siding with anyone is usually an effective way to draw yourself into the mix as well, so I don't want to be too adamant on this.

But I see that Eugene is getting some defenders against Nika already. I'll be standing by to see how this develops.

[iamded]

In my opinion, voting someone out because of their character and personality (read: role-playing from their character description, entirely unrelated to their game role) is just as smart as voting someone out because they have an evil-looking moustache, or because they're pudgy. In other words, it is entirely not smart.

I saw no credibility in Nika's accusations, (despite how fine she looks in her uniform ) solely because they were based upon Eugene's personality. These Mafia types aren't going to slip up on the first day, they're going to be sneaky, deceitful, sowing the seeds of confusion.

If I had to guess, I'd say the Mafioso scum would wait for a townie to get really riled up against another townie, then when sufficient additional townies jump on the vote, they'd join in. Not all of them, they'd divide themselves up to make it harder for us to pin them down. It's bloody hard catching scum, isn't it? But we'll find a way...

[CorneliusMurdock]

Then a whole FIVE pages later she decides to mention it out of the blue, everyone else is focusing on something more credible yet she goes back to the main point and talks about my drugs. Why would she be so pressed for this over one role playing comment at the start of the day where I was setting the tone of my speech.

Please tell me what was more credible that we should have focused on. No one else was voicing suspicions. I threw out your name because you were the only one who did anything odd. I never said I was going to vote for you. In fact I mentioned several times that I wasn't.

Then above now you see, with nobody else commenting or really listening to her, she yet again brings up that same point. I see this as her trying to do two things:

Now you're being stupid. Both Boris and Petr were commenting on what I said. It's called a conversation. Again I stated that I didn't have any evidence to vote for you.

[*]First, I see this as her trying to rush us into a vote, all of these were made before the voting barrier opened and to me it seems like she has been trying to gain support on the issue.

I stated specifically SEVERAL times that I did not think your habit was enough for a vote. Clean out your ears druggie.

[*]Second, I believe that this is trying to distract us. Many people have not even spoken up today and does she talk about them? No is your answer, she decides to focus on a bit of role playing. Why keep bringing this up without having more evidence and even after I explicitly made it clear I was role playing. The answer to these questions is simple, she has been trying to distract us.

Sorry to actually attempt to find the scum. What have you done today? Just talk about drugs. You've been a big help. You might as well have been one of the quiet ones.

After concluding the evidence myself I have realised that we cannot deny that she has been trying to distract us and lead us away from finding a true scum. As you can all see, she even persisted to retell the point after it was made clear I was role playing. I am sure that with all my evidence against her, I have found a scum member, I am taking a huge risk when I do this but I really believe she may be scum. So without further ado:

Vote: Nika (CorneliusMurdock)

The evidence is all there, I truly believe that we may have found a scum member and I hope you will also see that we are being tricked and distracted by Nika and her flawed argument.

I never prevented anyone from trying to find the scum. NO ONE ELSE offered any suggestions. WHAT was I distracting from? The complete lack of evidence against anyone? I talked about someone's odd behavior. Yes I realize you were roleplaying. But what you were roleplaying seemed odd to me. (Plus you should probably research that a little. I don;t think actual drug addicts are proud of their habit.) Excuse me for trying to contribute to the conversation.

If there was ANYTHING else going on I might see how you think I could be distracting. But there wasn't. I honestly believed your behavior required an explanation and then when Petr started calling me stupid for doing so, I defended myself. And I dropped it.

I said before that I wasn't voting for you, and I'm not now. Even if it seemed inconsequential, I'm allowed to talk. If you want to lynch me for getting you to clarify a point , you're an idiot.

I'm a townie. Trying be a townie the only way I know how by discussing things that come up during the day.

[Masked Builder]

That's a very nice argument you've put together there Eugene, but Nika has answered those arguments, with a fairly nice counter-argument. Since I'm too confused who to believe now, I'm going to wait to make my vote.

Argh! My head hurts trying to follow all of this.

[KartoffelViking]

Eugene; kudos to you for having the balls to cast the first vote, you have my respect.

That said, I think Nika's repeated attacks on you are just a few shades more scummy than your eagerness to vote for her, and I'm not quite sure what to make of it

But, it will be interesting to see what Nika has to say about this situation.

[Big Cam]

I can only see two likely reasons. 1. She's scum and trying to seize any opportunity to misdirect us. 2. She's an idiot.

Both are the type of people we can do without, but alas being an idiot isn't a solid reason to lynch someone.

[Sirius Black]

Honestly, at this point we really have nowhere near enough to go on for an accusation. It seems that the majority of today's discussion has revolved (pointlessly) around Eugene's role playing. This whole situation reminds me of a play where someone was voted off based on their stutter. Accusing Eugene based on this is illogical. However, I don't quite follow your claims that Nika is a scum, Eugene. What evidence do you have that she was "trying to lead us away from finding a true scum?" Sure, she may have focused on your role-playing excessively, but is that really enough basis for a vote? What other information have we had today? Basically nil. So what was she distracting from? Could Nika be scum? Perhaps, but at this point, in my opinion, she is just as likely to be scum as anyone else.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Exactly, she seems so poised on trying to pick on this roleplaying. I can't see any reason for her to be taking these stabs in the dark.

It's not that you were roleplaying. There were plenty of others roleplaying as well. It was what was being roleplayed.

If darkness is all there is, there is nothing else to stab in. It's the job of any loyal townie to try to oust the scum. Yes, Eugene's drug proclamation wasn't very condemning. But it was a very odd thing for him to do and I thought it deserved discussion. And it's been discussed. Ta Da. I don't think I dragged it on for a long time or anything. And I certainly didn't distract from anything else because nothing else was going on.

Stanislav, what have you been doing to help us out? Just calling people names. Sounds familiar somehow.

About the pie thing, that's the past. I wouldn't exaclty have called that roleplaying but whatever. You were scum, we voted you out. Get over it. You're not entitled to an apology for the one right thing we did that game.

[Eskallon]

I can only see two likely reasons. 1. She's scum and trying to seize any opportunity to misdirect us. 2. She's an idiot.

Exactly, another two reasons why we should vote her.

Please tell me what was more credible that we should have focused on. No one else was voicing suspicions. I threw out your name because you were the only one who did anything odd. I never said I was going to vote for you. In fact I mentioned several times that I wasn't.

If you never intended to vote for me or draw suspicion on me then why on earth did you keep carrying on repeating the point then Mrs Fucktard.

Now you're being stupid. Both Boris and Petr were commenting on what I said. It's called a conversation. Again I stated that I didn't have any evidence to vote for you.

I stated specifically SEVERAL times that I did not think your habit was enough for a vote. Clean out your ears druggie.

Okay then, show me these several times, I think you said it once towards the end. Again she is lying.

Sorry to actually attempt to find the scum. What have you done today? Just talk about drugs. You've been a big help. You might as well have been one of the quiet ones.

Actually, what havent I done. I have been talking and once I found someone that was actually worth voting for because we had a decent amount of evidence I took a big chance and voted for her. If I get this wrong I fully understand I will have a huge target on my back but I have actually been taking that risk because I want to help the town unlike you.

I never prevented anyone from trying to find the scum. NO ONE ELSE offered any suggestions. WHAT was I distracting from? The complete lack of evidence against anyone? I talked about someone's odd behaviour. Yes, I realise you were role playing. But what you were role playing seemed odd to me. (Plus you should probably research that a little. I don;t think actual drug addicts are proud of their habit.) Excuse me for trying to contribute to the conversation.

SUGGESTIONS, people listen up now if at anytime. She has just admitted to being a complete liar and idiot. If you never ever intended to vote for me then why should it have been a suggestion, why suggest something you never were going to do. Thats like suggesting to rob a bank but never really wanting to go through with it. You have just contradicted yourself and everyone here can see that. Again I have caught you out.

If there was ANYTHING else going on I might see how you think I could be distracting. But there wasn't. I honestly believed your behaviour required an explanation and then when Petr started calling me stupid for doing so, I defended myself. And I dropped it.

Actually I made my point of it was role playing and you did continue to bring it up, you just cant help but shut up. You say you dropped it yet that is another lie, in your quotes in my other post you see in the time order that she continued. You only began to shut your gob when Petr realised something was wrong and started to accuse you.

I said before that I wasn't voting for you, and I'm not now. Even if it seemed inconsequential, I'm allowed to talk. If you want to lynch me for getting you to clarify a point , you're an idiot.

I'm a townie. Trying be a townie the only way I know how by discussing things that come up during the day.

Actually like I said above I clarified that point and then you decided to continue. I am not lynching you for clarifying a point but rather for being a damn idiot who also acts very scummy. You picked up on something and then when your reasons were proved flawed you continued and tried to cast suspicion over me.

So as you can all see, Nika's counter arguments are absolute megablocks. I suggest you all re-read the conversation in the order presented as shown in my last post where I voted and then make your decision. So far Nika has been distracting, a liar and stirring shit which was a bit of role play. All the evidence stands against her and it is only her which we have any clue about.

It's not that you were roleplaying. There were plenty of others roleplaying as well. It was what was being roleplayed.

If darkness is all there is, there is nothing else to stab in. It's the job of any loyal townie to try to oust the scum. Yes, Eugene's drug proclamation wasn't very condemning. But it was a very odd thing for him to do and I thought it deserved discussion. And it's been discussed. Ta Da. I don't think I dragged it on for a long time or anything. And I certainly didn't distract from anything else because nothing else was going on.

You don't think you dragged it on. Everyone here and you yourself can see that you dragged it on. It was distracting because it was making people have to read your megablocks rather than be able to think straight. Other things do go on you know, people still can try and do things on the first day. They need to analyse and plan ahead. They need to spend time reading through posts noticing mistakes.

Now you say that it has been discussed but you didn't seem to want to drop the discussion earlier when you posted before I made my argument.

[Sandy]

I have to agree with Eugene, Nika. If you never intended to vote for Eugene, why did you have to emphasize his addiction? You can't really say "he's suspicious but I will never vote for him", can you?

Like Stanislav said, either you tried to subtly get people to vote for Eugene, or you just weren't thinking what you were saying (although Stanislav used a more brusque description).

But like I said earlier, this could very well be the other way around, scummy Eugene trying to get everyone to vote for the innocent Nika. Or then they are both innocent, and the Mafia is just rubbing their hands in delight.

We'll never know until we vote either of them out, but is that time today? Because nothing else has come up, I'm afraid it is.

I want to listen to a few more opinions before making my decision on who to vote, if you'll excuse me.

[Tamamono]

Here I made it very clear to her that I was roleplaying and it was nothing more, yet she kept going on about it below.

You didn't make it very clear, but you did state that you were merely role-playing.

Then above now you see, with nobody else commenting or really listening to her, she yet again brings up that same point. I see this as her trying to do two things:

• First, I see this as her trying to rush us into a vote, all of these were made before the voting barrier opened and to me it seems like she has been trying to gain support on the issue.
  

This may or may not be true, but she did say that she wasn't asking everyone to get the pitchforks ready for you.

• Second, I believe that this is trying to distract us. Many people have not even spoken up today and does she talk about them? No is your answer, she decides to focus on a bit of role playing. Why keep bringing this up without having more evidence and even after I explicitly made it clear I was role playing. The answer to these questions is simple, she has been trying to distract us.

Looking back now, her saying that you could easily be manipulated by the mob because of your bad habits is even worse role-playing than what you did.

After concluding the evidence myself I have realised that we cannot deny that she has been trying to distract us and lead us away from finding a true scum. As you can all see, she even persisted to retell the point after it was made clear I was role playing. I am sure that with all my evidence against her, I have found a scum member, I am taking a huge risk when I do this but I really believe she may be scum. So without further ado:

Vote: Nika (CorneliusMurdock)

The evidence is all there, I truly believe that we may have found a scum member and I hope you will also see that we are being tricked and distracted by Nika and her flawed argument.

Her behavior's been pretty weird, but isn't a bit early to vote? You do realize that Ivan is only going to give us on unvote per day, right? I think we should be accusing people first and voting for them later.

I stated specifically SEVERAL times that I did not think your habit was enough for a vote. Clean out your ears druggie.

You only said it once.

If there was ANYTHING else going on I might see how you think I could be distracting. But there wasn't. I honestly believed your behavior required an explanation and then when Petr started calling me stupid for doing so, I defended myself. And I dropped it.

That's a good point, and accusing someone who over-roleplays isn't generally a bad thing. The scum want to be unhelpful and not put their necks on the line on Day 1, and the first time Eugene mentioned his habit it seemed like he wasn't trying to draw attention, he was just role-playing like Barbara does. However, I'm not suspicious of you because you accused Eugene. I'm suspicious of you because you said that he could 'easily be manipulated by the mob', which is useless role-playing.

Now, I'm not going to take sides here, as it's likely that both of you are town. Quarrels between townies frequently happen on Day 1 of situations like this.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Let's look back on everything I've said about Eugene.

Sounds like someone could be easily manipulated by the mob... Is there a vice you don't have? I think we, the town, should keep an eye on you.

This is the first thing I say. I am roleplaying to. I am an upright citizen of this town and find illegal actiivty of any kind troubling. And how does "keeping an eye on you" voting for you?

As for suspicion, I think Eugene (Eskallon) seems suspicious only because he mentioned a drug habit. I think the mob would prey on the weak and exploit substance abuse to get what they want from someone. This is only a feeling, though. No one else has really set off any alarms for me.

This is a couple pages later when people are saying everyone should voice their suspicions. At this point I believe you're the only one who's acted strangely and I've said so. Again not trying to start a vote.

Yes, I admit that it might just be roleplaying but it's the only suspicion I have. I'm far from saying we should get pitchforks ready for him. I just thought it was worth discussing.

And Eugene, drugs may be a part of what you are but they shouldn't be a part you're proud of. Drug abuse is a serious problem. And heroin is a known gateway drug to scumminess. Just consult any medical journal.

I specifically say I don't have evidence to vote for you. I wanted to hear what YOU say about it. And I JOKE with you and play aong with your "problem".

I'll be the first to admit that Eugene might not be worth voting for today but openly proclaiming illicit drug use at least deserved an explanation. If that puts me on your suspect list then so be it.

For now I'm satisfied that he was overstating his background a little but I still think he needs watching.

That's explicitly stated twice (and inferred other times) if you can count, Eugene. Sorry if by using the word SEVERAL I was exaggerating slightly for dramatic effect.

This bolded statement is the last thing I say about him before the idiot VOTES for me.

So FOUR posts. Sorry for dragging that out soooo long, people.

I am convinced now more than ever that Eugene is an idiot (Let's shout out in town square that we're all drug addicts for no apparent reason. Who cares if there are cops around?) but probably town.

What I was trying to do is discuss something that bothered me. I thought that's what we were supposed to do. I'm not the only one who thought he acted weird nor was I the only one talking about it.

However, I'm not suspicious of you because you accused Eugene. I'm suspicious of you because you said that he could 'easily be manipulated by the mob', which is useless role-playing.

I was suspicious of Eugene for his "useless role-playing". Should I be suspicious of you for doing the same thing of me, brother?

[Zepher]

But like I said earlier, this could very well be the other way around, scummy Eugene trying to get everyone to vote for the innocent Nika. Or then they are both innocent, and the Mafia is just rubbing their hands in delight.

We'll never know until we vote either of them out, but is that time today? Because nothing else has come up, I'm afraid it is.

I advise not voting either of them out. I am fairly certain neither is scum, but that is just because of behavior, so if you think that they do look scummie from behavior, I am sorry. They seem two vocal town bashing heads. We are not in a rush to convict just yet, you do not NEED to vote for either of them, only one vote has been placed today. Issue of 28 players is this; scum are probably doing nothing. They don't have to. We will accuse each other and it is easy for scum to fly under radar with this many people. Every time I find suspect, I find one thing with them that makes them less suspect.

But, here is another suspect:

But it's not, per above, there will be a penalty if a lynching is not agreed upon.

I agree we have nothing right now, but hopefully some information presents itself.

Also a mime is a terrible thing to waste.

Standard first response. We do not get much information from it.

Actually the logical answer is yes it is likely going to be as bad or worse. Otherwise it wouldn't be a penalty.

Something that I agree with. This is the one thing that makes him look less scummy to me, but read on.

Why are you referring to yourself in 3rd person?

Not much help to anyone.

Denis' view on voting makes me slightly suspicious of him, he didn't seem to concerned with loosing town folk, but that is me literally gasping at straws.

Now he is quietly trying to arouse suspicion, but he never brings it up again.

Ugh, I can't stress the unnecessariousness of that.

Again, a useless thing say.

Both are the type of people we can do without, but alas being an idiot isn't a solid reason to lynch someone.

And now he discourages vote which he said he was pro earlier, and gives no alternative. And that is all he says in whole game. Enough to look like he is contributing, but really not doing anything to help at all. However, if I had to pick between him and Barbara, I'd say Barbara has been more useless this entire game. She has only one post and it means nothing. I will use my one unvote today happily if someone gives me cause, but we need to start voting and I don't think it's Eugene or Nika. Vote: Barbara (BobTheConstructionMan)

[Brickdoctor]

I can only see two likely reasons. 1. She's scum and trying to seize any opportunity to misdirect us. 2. She's an idiot.

But the same could be said of Eugene, with overly extensive roleplaying being the reason for the second point.

But as has been said, that's not enough to go on for a lynch. Both Nika and Eugene have presented pretty convincing arguments.

My gut feeling is that Nika is Town, but after the last situation I was in I don't think I trust my gut anymore.

Though right now, I'm thinking that if it absolutely comes down to a choice between Nika and Eugene as our only chance for a conviction, with this many people in this situation, perhaps we could afford to take the chance of voting out either the idiot or a scum.