Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Palathadric]

Wow! I'm only now imagining just how powerful Arthur would be if we were going by the old rules of scrolls. He could target four enemies in one turn and have 100% chance of applying whatever effect he'd like from his arsenal on them. Scary!

[CMP]

Overconfidence - The Black Knight grows stronger as he takes Damage, adding the amount of Health he has lost to each attack.

Now you're just trying to set up a Star Wars quote...

But it sounds pretty cool.

[Brickdoctor]

Now you're just trying to set up a Star Wars quote...

I admit that I did think of that. But technically this would be overconfidence as a strength. Although with a Black Knight in the party, 'faith in your friends' would probably still be a weakness.

[Waterbrick Down]

I actually like the "over-confidence" suggestion, it adds to the survival theme of the class with HIDE and DODGE ensuring the Black Knight lasts as long as possible to do the most damage.

[UsernameMDM]

I think the black knight, like all other rogue classes, needs a gold making ability.

[Zepher]

I'd have to agree. I think that's what makes rogues rogues. And it's unfortunate that I am the ONLY base class that CAN'T advance into making gold.

[Dannylonglegs]

I think the black knight, like all other rogue classes, needs a gold making ability.

Well, the Cleric-rogue class doesn't get gold... They do get to Hex though.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[Tanma]

My idea was the black knight has Just a Flesh Wound, where once their health goes to zero they get a fourth of their life back and become a fourth of their real level for that battle.

[Zepher]

That's true, I suppose. They do get lots of other big perks, however. Black Knight seems the only class that doesn't really retain any of the great skills of rogues OR knights. But I guess they do get throwing weapons and SP, so that's something.

[Brickdoctor]

But I guess they do get throwing weapons and SP, so that's something.

Throwing weapons combined with shields isn't really a perk for someone coming from Knight, since it's basically just a weaker Warden. I do agree that Black Knights should be able to gain at least a little Gold, but I don't think it should be combined with a Sentinel-type action. Doesn't fit the attitude of the character, and Sentinel/Guardian Angel/Aura are more passive actions, like the hero would be sitting back and tanking while doing it, not dashing forward and being able to grab some Gold from somewhere.

[Dannylonglegs]

Throwing weapons combined with shields isn't really a perk for someone coming from Knight, since it's basically just a weaker Warden. I do agree that Black Knights should be able to gain at least a little Gold, but I don't think it should be combined with a Sentinel-type action. Doesn't fit the attitude of the character, and Sentinel/Guardian Angel/Aura are more passive actions, like the hero would be sitting back and tanking while doing it, not dashing forward and being able to grab some Gold from somewhere.

That makes sense. I think that in that respect, the Black Knight should be roguier. Having a sentinel doesn't really fit the "Forlorn my knightly duties" aspect. The black knight is selfish, corrupt, and bullying, which is a really interesting set of characteristics not usually associated with heroes. Sure they can still be good people, but their cowardice and self-serving nature can either get the better of them or be a tool for them to use in combat. Sentinel doesn't make sense really for a BK to have. They should make a cheap-shot as their Shield, I think. Either making money from it, or inconveniencing the opponent in a serious way.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[Endgame]

To borrow an idea from my Juggernaut:

Perhaps the Black Knight's shield makes everyone counterstrike for the next 3 rounds?

[Brickdoctor]

Perhaps the Black Knight's shield makes everyone counterstrike for the next 3 rounds?

I don't think the Black Knight should buff anyone with any of his rolls. (And just himself Counterstriking is kind of underpowered considering that he could just buy the gloves.)

[Waterbrick Down]

I think the fact that a Black Knight has access to a lot of SP due to their shield is enough of a "knight" quality to cover that aspect of it's class. While a money making trait would definitely root it in the rogue tradition, I don't necessarily think that that is the only thing rogues embody.

Edited May 23, 2013 by Waterbrick Down

[Tanma]

Flipz, I sent you a reply. This might end up in a discussion, so be prepared.

[Capt.JohnPaul]

I think the fact that a Black Knight has access to a lot of SP due to their shield is enough of a "knight" quality to cover that aspect of it's class. While a money making trait would definitely root it in the rogue tradition, I don't necessarily think that that is the only thing rogues embody.

I disagree. SP does not cover the "knightly" quality. I don't see how anyone could argue that, as any class has just as much access to SP than another.

[UsernameMDM]

Maybe a Black Knight's SHIELD should inflict negative statuses on the enemies?

Harbinger of Doom: The Black Knight unleashes a dark terror upon his enemies inflicting them with the Doomed negative status.

Nightmare: The Black Knight unleashes a ghastly abomination on his enemies inflicting them with Stunned, Sealed and Cursed.

Etc.

[Kintobor]

So, after a few hours of thinking, I've come down to two last names for Kayla:

Raylton

Crofte

Which do you guys like better?

[Endgame]

Raylton. Croft soons too obvious of a reference.

[Brickdoctor]

I disagree. SP does not cover the "knightly" quality. I don't see how anyone could argue that, as any class has just as much access to SP than another.

Yes, it absolutely covers the "knightly quality". No other class is able to use shields or upgrade their SP. (without buying a new artifact or using a Bright Polish)

[Flipz]

So, after a few hours of thinking, I've come down to two last names for Kayla:

Raylton

Crofte

Which do you guys like better?

I like the first one better, but perhaps spell it "Raltyn"? The 'yl' looks kinda ugly.

I'd have to agree. I think that's what makes rogues rogues. And it's unfortunate that I am the ONLY base class that CAN'T advance into making gold.

You need Overkill Gloves, mate.

RE: Overconfidence for Black Knights: YES. It's not a total fix, but I like it, fits the flavor VERY well without being too OP.

I don't think they need to earn Gold to be Rogue-like, but they do still need a better SHIELD skill, even with Overconfidence.

[Zepher]

I'd love to grab some overkill gloves. But they'd replace counterstrike, and I'm reliant on it now. Besides, I'd have to make the money to buy them. And who has that sort of money?

I'd love to see a TvTropes page for Boomingham. I want to know what TVtropes people think he embodies. The page is really turning me onto tropes, but I don't feel I'm savvy enough to put them up yet. I do love reading them though!!

[Flare]

You need Overkill Gloves, mate.

From where can we aqcuire overkill gloves?

[Scorpiox]

I'd love to grab some overkill gloves. But they'd replace counterstrike, and I'm reliant on it now. Besides, I'd have to make the money to buy them. And who has that sort of money?

That's the thing, really. The only heroes who could afford such gloves are rogue classes, and they hardly need them anyway because of their existing gold-reaping abilities.

[Brickdoctor]

Last I checked, Encouraged effects healing, but it's changed before, so I don't know the ruling now. Sandy?

I PMed Sandy about this recently, actually; I believe healing is not affected by Encouraged or Weakened. (And it's also not affected by the enemy's being Fragile if you're healing Undead.)