Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Tanma]

That isn't it. Look, Bionicle has been a part of De'kra from the beginning. It was subtle at first, but it was always there. It was present since I first came up with his idea, and given the nature of his identity I cannot separate the two without major lobotomizing. What you are asking me to do is not change parts of him, but to change everything about him. And you haven't exactly been cooperating either.

Edited November 30, 2013 by Tanma

[Scubacarrot]

Awww Tanma, don't be like that. We like you fine. Dek'ra, some of our characters less so, and not everyone enjoys the bionicle stuff, but the bionicle stuff aside, I think De'kra as being the little know it all demon that he is is a good entry in the line up of heroes.

Tanma, don't be like that. I second Scuba, we like you, it's just that it is incredibly hard to Roleplay with Dek'ra. We know nothing about Bionicle or the backstory or how it relates to Heroica. But the little demon is cool.

I personally fail to see how these statements would help saying you should kill Dek'ra off... Why can't you just keep with it as Dek'ra being somehow from the Bionicle world and essentially being a stranger in this one, and leave it at that. Perhaps Dek'ra will try to find some way to return, and of course he will keep comparing things to his old world, but is it really essential to keep incorporating elements from Bionicle that most people will not get and seem to be essential to know to roleplay alongside Dek'ra? No one should be against Dek'ra being from the bionicle world in my opinion, but you can't expect people to know the bionicle stuff or even give a thing about it.

Anyway, that's just my opinion, and I hope you don't kill Dek'ra off, I always thought that the antagonistic relationship between Guts and Dek'ra was kind of cool to roleplay.

[Tanma]

Look, when I mentioned lobotomizing De'kra, that is the method I will kill him. I don't want to go into it, but when he dies a shell will be left behind. The shell will remember Arthur, Guts, all the relationships, all of that. Otherwise I would not have signed up for a new quest. So I am doing what everyone but me wants, and getting rid of the Bionicle.

Just...Bionicle was the first story I ever really followed, even before I read Redwall. And I don't mean a story like a children's book, I mean an epic. With a large cast of characters, with heroes and villains, with a rich mythology, it was the first adventure I really read. And with the sets, it gave me a way to become part of that world, to interact with its people. Gave me a sense of being part of something greater. And the first stories I ever wrote were about Bionicle. They were crap, utter crap, but it was the first time I wrote, the first time I created. Its special to me, and I know not everyone has to feel the same way, but Bionicle has always been safe. I'm twenty now, Bionicle was literally there for half of my life. And looking back there are some issues with it I can see now, but it still is my home. Does that make sense?

[Scubacarrot]

(feel free to move this to the theatre, anyone)

Absolutely it makes sense, Bionicle is a world you can immerse yourself in, and you really really love that world. That's something no one can criticize you for and I personally think that that is awesome that you can do that. However. There is a difference between three sets of going about this:

Not bringing stuff in from the fandom (I am allowed to call it that, I hope) you like.

Bringing in elements from the fandom to give your own spin on the current RPG.

Bringing in parts or the whole of the fandom to your character in a different world.

I personally think option 2 is the one you could/should be doing, and part 3 is what you at times WAS doing, does that make sense? Take for example's Pyro's character. His name is Sarge, taken from Red vs Blue and I think he has said his character has elements from Assassin's Creed 3's mentor character as well. That's totally cool, in my opinion. What he is NOT doing, is shoving Red vs Blue's story or AC3's story on us.

Why can't Dek'ra be a character whose views on things, skills, experiences and personality could be from a character or just someone that would live of the Bionicle World that you so love, to get that element in there, but don't take it further than that?

Anyway that's of course all what I think. I'm far from an accomplished role-player or anything story related. Heroica is my first time roleplaying and short of a half-baked D&D session the only one as well. Don't take my word for it, do what you want to do, but key things are to play nice and be respectful as well.

[Tanma]

Fandom is an okay term. I see what you mean, but it couldn't work because of who he is. His identity makes it impossible to be subtle, as will be obvious soon. I plan on revealing it before I lobotomize him. In hindsight I can understand using it subtly like having him believe in the three virtues or calling close allies brother, like I did originally. But when I designed him I made it all but impossible to remain subtle, and I've come to far to stop it now. I'm stuck, either I restart and lose everything, keep it up and stress everyone, or lobotomize him and make his Bionicle traits subtle again. If you have another idea feel free, but I don't feel like I have many options. So I am going with the way that doesn't stress anyone but me, but lets me keep his relationship with Arthur.

[Scubacarrot]

Okay. So Dek'ra's real identity is someone or something that makes it impossible for him to be subtle about it. That means I guess it is a character established in the Bionicle Lore? If you don't want to retcon that, yes, you might have to do something like that. Perhaps he/she/it realizes it can figure out that what it was doesn't matter as it holds no relevance in the world Dek'ra is currently in, and then opts to forget about his old identity to make it easier for himself and those around him.

Anyway, what I wanted to make clear is that we like you and Dek'ra fine, don't worry so much.

[Tanma]

Yeah, its kind of like that. The way I picture it, De'kra dies, but the artifact that Heroica has that resurrects heroes will bring a shell of him back. Sorry I lost my temper, I just tend to end up associating myself with my characters. That is one reason De'kra started out amnesic, so I could try to distance myself from him and not take things too personally. It failed obviously, but that is probably because of his Bionicle links than the tactic.

[UsernameMDM]

As far as builds go, what should I do next to Hoke to beef him up? Thinking of imbuing his shield with an Amethyst and maybe a Scroll of Confusion and Sealing. Want to spread out the immunities across multiple objects, so in case one gets old, I won't lose all the immunities when it's replaced or have to spend a ton to get it all reset.

Thoughts?

[CMP]

As far as builds go, what should I do next to Hoke to beef him up? Thinking of imbuing his shield with an Amethyst and maybe a Scroll of Confusion and Sealing. Want to spread out the immunities across multiple objects, so in case one gets old, I won't lose all the immunities when it's replaced or have to spend a ton to get it all reset.

Thoughts?

If you're still planning to go Dragoon, you'll probably be safe stuffing everything into your shield. Shields with special immunities are super rare, and yours is already one of the strongest in the game.

Actually, no, you can't imbue scrolls into shields....I'd say imbue any extra gems into your shield, and do your scrolls on your best artifact. You won't be able to retrieve them later anyway.

[Zepher]

Do I actually owe Hoke gold? It's not listed anywhere, but it's more than possible.

[UsernameMDM]

If you're still planning to go Dragoon, you'll probably be safe stuffing everything into your shield. Shields with special immunities are super rare, and yours is already one of the strongest in the game.

Actually, no, you can't imbue scrolls into shields....I'd say imbue any extra gems into your shield, and do your scrolls on your best artifact. You won't be able to retrieve them later anyway.

I would like to go Dragoon, but no matter what I do, it looks like all of the classes I would like can carry a shield. Did not know you couldn't remove a scroll after imbuing. Guess I need to read the rules.

Do I actually owe Hoke gold? It's not listed anywhere, but it's more than possible.

Nah, he's just messin' with Booms.

[Flipz]

Actually, Hoke, I'd wait until after Grogmas to do any major imbuing. Buying the gems and scrolls, sure, but see what people make for you for Grogmas--it could dramatically alter how you set up your build. One of Hoke's biggest problems (mechanically-speaking) is that you don't have a specific Artifact that you're constructing your build around, which makes it difficult to know what you want to put your immunities on. Other Heroes don't have that problem (i.e. Boomingham with his Tome of Affluence, Guts with his Dancing Shoes, Nagure and Sarge with their Grogmas artifacts, etc.)--they just slap everything into that Artifact and are ready to go.

I'm in the same boat, really. I have a lot of nice Artifacts and weapons lined up for Skirmisher/Dragoon, but I also plan to go back to Archmage once I qualify. That means I have to decide whether to put all my immunities in my Overkill Gloves (which I can wear as any class, but might end up lending to other party members if it'll result in better Overkill income), or if I want to try and find another "suitable for all classes" Artifact to imbue them into (maybe my Scarf of Misfortune?), or if I want to just bite the bullet and have to remake my immunity gear when I switch again.

...actually, what DO you guys think of my build? I want to add immunities to Confusion and Blindness, but where should they go? And what should be my fourth Artifact once I hit 30?

[Zepher]

I just put together the list of everyone signed up for 88, and then closed the window while it was posting.

So, if you're interested in 88, make sure you're signed up.

EDIT: Looks like it made it after all! Huzzah!

Edited November 30, 2013 by Zepher

[CMP]

"I've heard enough grumbling in the Watch about Heroes being nothing but a bunch of freeloaders at a glorified pub."

They're just jealous.

[Flare]

Presumably Quests #88 and #90 will be starting soon?

[Flare]

And about Quest #89 - I noticed that on some of the heroes it was listed "Power: x" and some were listed "Power Bonus: x"... just to let you know

[Tanma]

Is this less disruptive? If not I will try a different strategy.

[UsernameMDM]

Actually, Hoke, I'd wait until after Grogmas to do any major imbuing. Buying the gems and scrolls, sure, but see what people make for you for Grogmas--it could dramatically alter how you set up your build. One of Hoke's biggest problems (mechanically-speaking) is that you don't have a specific Artifact that you're constructing your build around, which makes it difficult to know what you want to put your immunities on. Other Heroes don't have that problem (i.e. Boomingham with his Tome of Affluence, Guts with his Dancing Shoes, Nagure and Sarge with their Grogmas artifacts, etc.)--they just slap everything into that Artifact and are ready to go.

I like to put Hoke together as a utility player. He's a decent meat shield, is able to put out decent damage to multiple enemies, and has access to some good weapons. I'd rather not 'put all of my eggs in one basket" with an Artefact, but I guess you are right in that if Hoke gets something awesome, then everything should be dumped into that.

[Zepher]

Just a reminder in case Pie forgets to mention it - all Baltarok questers, we have no way to enforce it, but the quests will probably be more fun if you don't read ones that you aren't on until the end.

[CMP]

Just a reminder in case Pie forgets to mention it - all Baltarok questers, we have no way to enforce it, but the quests will probably be more fun if you don't read ones that you aren't on until the end.

QM your own damn Quest!! Yes, of course, much more fun.

[The Legonater]

Just a reminder in case Pie forgets to mention it - all Baltarok questers, we have no way to enforce it, but the quests will probably be more fun if you don't read ones that you aren't on until the end.

I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for reading my mind, Zeph.

[swils]

Was already planning on limiting my knowledge (not that I'm an avid reader of quests I'm not on as it is).

[Flipz]

Please tell me one of the members of the royal family is named "Jane".

It'll be interesting to get to see this one from the outside, that's for sure.

[Zepher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch

[Flare]

WBD, you forgot to put the name of the quest beside "Quest #90" in the topic title