Heroica RPG General Discussion

[JimBee]

Agreed, but I think it's both, really. When you get to the point that all of your activity is "I repeat" or "I follow [player]'s orders", you're engaging in grind rather than gameplay. Contrary to what it may seem, roleplay does not mean "four pages of single-spaced paragraphs"--a simple, relevant in-character comment or gesture along with your battle action tells both the QM and your fellow players that yes, you are paying attention to the Quest, and yes, you are engaged with the Quest. I think that's why Tensi, for example, remains one of the more well-defined personalities in Heroica in spite of Pep M not having a lot of time to post.

This. As both a QM and player I just want overall participation. Roleplaying is nice, I understand that's not everyone's thing, but it is nice to have dialog other than "repeat". Active participation both in and out of battles and engagement in the quest are what I like to see. QMing is a lot of work and so is playing, and the game is no fun when people are just "along for the ride."

I just noticed, there doesn't seem to be much decent backwear out there--the vast majority is suited only to Mages and Clerics. Hybros' Red Assassin cloak and my own Cloak of Deception are pretty much the only non-Ether-based backwears out there. I mean, there was the Cobweb Cloak that Elphaba sold, but there's no guarantee it'll be back again, and it's kind of niche anyway--actually, come to think of it, all of the backwear artifacts are.

Quivers are backwear as are the travelling cloaks.

Yeah, I think there are a lot of cloaks out there. More quivers would be very cool though!

[Flipz]

Still not much for Knights or Barbarians, though.

[Zepher]

Never is.

Flare, it is something that we're all trying to fix pretty actively! It's just hard to figure out, it's sort of a game in it's own right discovering how to make challenging but short battles!

[StickFig]

...discovering how to make challenging but short battles!

Lately for Matthias it seems to be by killing (KO'ing?) all the challenging but short heroes...

Edited March 19, 2014 by nstickney

[Zepher]

Mixed parties are even harder, and unfortunately it seems that you guys have been getting the short end of the stick.

[Scubacarrot]

We're not sitting here and waiting for everyone to beg for their share, Scuba. Divide the loot.

It's not your business. If I say as party leader the loot goes all to me. That's the way it's going to be. I did it now, but it's very bad QM'ing.

[CMP]

It's not your business. If I say as party leader the loot goes all to me. That's the way it's going to be. I did it now, but it's very bad QM'ing.

It says more about your role as party leader than it does about my QMing.

[Scubacarrot]

How is that?

[CMP]

You're holding the party's loot hostage out of spite for not being revived. It's unfair to the rest of the party, and it's holding up three different quests, so it's absolutely my business. I'm not going to entertain that kind of thing.

[Scubacarrot]

Calm your stuff, I did it when you asked. But yes, I did do it out of spite for not being revived. I personally think not reviving someone when you absolutely have the ability to is extremely rude or however you want to call it. If you want to blame someone for holding up your quest. You should look elsewhere. This battle could have been done much quicker if people were active and had revived others.

[Flipz]

So, on the subject of the Arena: how would those folks who saw the latest PvP system feel about its implementation in the Arena? What specific abilities would need to be altered? Would it ultimately make the Arena more or less useful to players, and more or less difficult for the Arena Masters to run?

One advantage I can think of right off the bat: if we adopted the "new" system, multi-Hero battles would be compatible right from the get-go. Disadvantage: some classes would suffer a bit in one-on-one, since the advantage of their SHIELD (i.e. AoE on Barbarians) would be helpful in Doubles/Triples but not so much in Singles. (A.K.A. The Smogon Effect, wherein Singles falls to pieces because the system is balanced around Doubles/Triples)

[Scorpiox]

Calm your stuff, I did it when you asked. But yes, I did do it out of spite for not being revived. I personally think not reviving someone when you absolutely have the ability to is extremely rude or however you want to call it. If you want to blame someone for holding up your quest. You should look elsewhere. This battle could have been done much quicker if people were active and had revived others.

Haldor did not have a phoenix essence, nor where the downed heroes in any position to revive Guts. This action comes across as somewhat petulant.

[Endgame]

I apologize to other 93ers if my sidequest antics held up the quest too much.

[Kintobor]

Since that whole ordeal is over, me, Heckz and Noel got stuck in the "Wizard of Oz". The Tinman cut Dorothy's head open with his axe after we convinced her to let Drucilla, who was the Witch of the West, go, and after that the Cowardly Lion ate Toto. Then we managed to use Circle of Mages to blast our way out of there. I don't think I'll be able to watch the 1939 version the same way ever again without being reminded of Dorothy Gale getting her head split in two by one of her friends.

It seems everyone else's went... swimmingly.

[Duvors]

Calm your stuff, I did it when you asked. But yes, I did do it out of spite for not being revived. I personally think not reviving someone when you absolutely have the ability to is extremely rude or however you want to call it. If you want to blame someone for holding up your quest. You should look elsewhere. This battle could have been done much quicker if people were active and had revived others.

This (pardon me) makes you sound like a jerk trying to justify his own selfish actions.

Haldor did not have a phoenix essence, nor where the downed heroes in any position to revive Guts. This action comes across as somewhat petulant.

Case in point.

[Endgame]

Oh, so you guys had other PCs to lean on! I was kinda forced to imrpov, and it led to less than perfect results... Pretty much the apocalypse while we were getting pursued by a ball of flesh with King Johon's face plastered on it.

[Zepher]

Looks like some cool side-quests! I was hoping you'd take a chance to develop some of the student NPCs - some of them have been carted off so quickly that we've hardly gotten to know them! I imagine being isolated with them for a bit of time was a fun experience! I'm sad to see Hawke go so quickly though.

[Endgame]

Unfortunately, the student I met with went from brainwashed, choked, and then deceased. She got off about.. 3 words while sane.

Also, this is one of those times while I'm kciking myself for my own mugging proposal.

Edited March 19, 2014 by Endgame

[Bricksandparts]

Pretty much the apocalypse while we were getting pursued by a ball of flesh with King Johon's face plastered on it.

What? I'm confused on the reference...

[Zepher]

I imagine he meant to write "King John" from Robin Hood, but I could be totally wrong - Sandy happens to know many more fairy tales than I do!

[Endgame]

What? I'm confused on the reference...

I'm simply telling you exactly what happened in the sidequest. You'll get context when its released.

I imagine he meant to write "King John" from Robin Hood, but I could be totally wrong - Sandy happens to know many more fairy tales than I do!

You are correct.

Honesty, my lack of knowledge about Robin Hood (as well as my adamant opinion that I would not look anything up) probably was what got Hawke killed. ;blush:

Edited March 20, 2014 by Endgame

[Cutcobra]

Since that whole ordeal is over, me, Heckz and Noel got stuck in the "Wizard of Oz". The Tinman cut Dorothy's head open with his axe after we convinced her to let Drucilla, who was the Witch of the West, go, and after that the Cowardly Lion ate Toto. Then we managed to use Circle of Mages to blast our way out of there. I don't think I'll be able to watch the 1939 version the same way ever again without being reminded of Dorothy Gale getting her head split in two by one of her friends.

It seems everyone else's went... swimmingly.

Or, how I like to put it, everyone but Karie managed to use Circle of Mages to blast our way out of there.

Even though you literally couldn't do anything to stop the monster...

Oh, so you guys had other PCs to lean on!

Yeah, but it's hard when you have to convinve the mob to not kill someone they absolutley hate and to also try to convice Drucilla Eldritch that she's not actually the Wicked Witch Of The West at the same time.

[JimBee]

Calm your stuff, I did it when you asked. But yes, I did do it out of spite for not being revived. I personally think not reviving someone when you absolutely have the ability to is extremely rude or however you want to call it. If you want to blame someone for holding up your quest. You should look elsewhere. This battle could have been done much quicker if people were active and had revived others.

The newer heroes from 90 have been KO'd and missed experience from several battles now, I didn't see you in any hurry to get them up so they could get XP in that battle.

[Endgame]

Yeah, but it's hard when you have to convinve the mob to not kill someone they absolutley hate and to also try to convice Drucilla Eldritch that she's not actually the Wicked Witch Of The West at the same time.

Fun times all around, then.

[Zepher]

In fairness to Scuba, we do not know how it would have played out, as Pie intervened. We must respect each player and each QM - I would have handled it differently, but Pie's the QM, so in the end it is his call and I respect the choice he made as well. We may all have our own opinions, but I think that they've all been stated in this case, so once they've been stated, restating them is just bashing heads, which generally leads to headaches and little else.