Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Flipz]

Hmm, I could have sworn some of the Ether costs were higher.

Don't underestimate them--that Ether pool may look impressive, but it'll dry up on you, quick.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Flipz

[Cutcobra]

I hace a little something called "Ether Core", maybe that will help.

[Flipz]

I hace a little something called "Ether Core", maybe that will help.

It will help...exactly once.

I'd recommend (ab-)using the Lucky Chant until that friggin' guitar is dead. DOWN WITH LUCKY ENEMIES! :picket:

[Endgame]

Pretty much our strategy, yeah.

[Endgame]

Now that I've regained access to my "The Giant" .lxf file, I've replaced that lumpy placeholder picture with a far more visually pleasing close-up.

[Flipz]

Looks good! Gold please.

[Endgame]

Waiting for the final tally on my mess-ups.

[Flipz]

Hey, don't feel bad, nit-picking is something that happens a lot around me--just ask Zepher.

I probably wouldn't have missed the 4 Gold from Overkill and 12 from Noble Mask if it hadn't been for me specifically tallying it up for party loot division tracking, and that wouldn't have come up right now if I weren't trying to see if I'll make enough Gold for the two deals I have going at the moment (I will, but unfortunately Nerwen's probably going to be gone from the Hall pretty soon, which means I'll have to find an intermediary, and I don't think Mizuki's party is ever going to get back from Quest 95. )

Edited May 26, 2014 by Flipz

[swils]

If you're aiming to go on Kinto's Shadeaux quest, Flipz, I can serve as your intermediary. Unless you expect your trade to exceed 1800 gold, heh.

[Flipz]

If you're aiming to go on Kinto's Shadeaux quest, Flipz, I can serve as your intermediary. Unless you expect your trade to exceed 1800 gold, heh.

Heh, no, not this time. (I came close back when I made the deal for the Overkill Gloves, though... )

PM sent.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Flipz

[Sandy]

Holy guacamole. Is it just me or was the Ministrel buffed?

Hmm, I could have sworn some of the Ether costs were higher.

Don't lick until it drops. With Aunt Hymnessamine, I'm determing if I should make the Battle Songs' ether cost work the same way that the Arch Spells/Healing does: the more targets, the higher the cost.

[Palathadric]

Even if there are enemies who are immune to the Arch Spells they still such up the ether of the caster I guess?

[Palathadric]

So, wait, minstrels cannot be hastened then? I definitely recall reading those lines before, but the weight of them.

[Flipz]

Don't lick until it drops. With Aunt Hymnessamine, I'm determing if I should make the Battle Songs' ether cost work the same way that the Arch Spells/Healing does: the more targets, the higher the cost.

That could work, but would still require a rebalancing of the songs--not to mention that would remove one of the big advantages Archmages have over Minstrels.

For example, the Angelic Aria is basically a slightly weaker Arc Spell of Light that costs 10 Ether per Round. If that was changed to 10 Ether per target, that would be a ludicrous cost and no one would ever use it--but reduce it to 1 and you've got an Archmage with an Arc Spell that can be cast without risk of Damage or Special Damage (but on the other hand is weaker and has no chance of rolling anything like Meditate).

It also removes some flavor (a minor thing, I know, but still a factor), and, more importantly, removes a little bit of risk/reward strategy. Under the current system, something like Nanny's Lullaby, Love Serenade, or Dirge of the Phoenix can be sung in a round when they're ineffective, "just in case" they're needed (i.e. for Dirge of the Phoenix, it could be sung in a Round in which all other Heroes gang up on one particularly threatening enemy, with the knowledge that anyone Knocked Out would be revived, or for Nanny's Lullaby the party in 93 could have her sing the song "just in case" they manage to kill the Flute and Maracas, which would result in the entire enemy party falling asleep if they were successful)--but even if they aren't (nobody rolls Damage, the enemy instruments aren't destroyed), there's still an Ether cost burned (akin to the constant Ether-burn when using Scrolls). If the songs are switched to an arc-cost system, all of the above could be done, but with no Ether cost if the strategy didn't pan out (since 0 valid targets equals 0 Ether cost).

Additionally, this would result in a choice with regards to the per-target Ether costs: make smaller battles even more vulnerable to Minstrel insanity, or make large battles render Minstrels useless. To demonstrate the first possibility, imagine a single-enemy boss battle where the boss manages to knock out all but the minstrel and one or two Heroes. With smaller Ether costs, the Minstrel could keep singing for a very, very long time; if you up the Ether costs to balance for that, however, now imagine a battle like the end of Baltarok. With any sort of decent per-target Ether cost, the Minstrel would be completely unable to sing songs, since they'd run out of Ether in a single Round. Perhaps there is a middle ground, but it would take a LOT of testing to figure out--I'd be happy to help, as I'm sure others would be, but the additional necessary workload is definitely there, and the "butter zone" is a lot smaller for per-target costs than it would be for simply raising the flat Ether costs we currently have.

...I swear I was completely neutral on the issue when I started writing.

So, wait, minstrels cannot be hastened then? I definitely recall reading those lines before, but the weight of them.

They can be Hastened for normal, non-song attacks; has anyone but me even noticed that they have those?! They're pretty good rolls, too.

...actually, that makes me want to see/play a perma-Sealed Minstrel that only uses regular attacks. Hmm...

[Palathadric]

The whole fun of Minstrel is that they sing and dance while the others fight.

Actually, the class is perfect for Guts.

[Flipz]

The whole fun of Minstrel is that they sing and dance while the others fight.

New suggestion, Sandy: split the battle rolls and battle songs into two separate classes. Make the battle rolls the Hinckwell-oriented Expert Class, and make the Battle Songs a (NPC-only?) class called Bard.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Flipz

[Cryos]

New suggestion, Sandy: split the battle rolls and battle songs into two separate classes. Make the battle rolls the Hinckwell-oriented Expert Class, and make the Battle Songs a (NPC-only?) class called Bard.

If the bard class would only sing Battle Songs I feel some Battle Songs would need to be tweaked to be multipliers of Weapon Power instead of the current flat number heals/damage/buffs.

[StickFig]

I was honestly gonna stay out of it, but I couldn't turn down a chance at triple XP.

What a perfectly valid roleplaying reason to start a fight!

...and noticed the lovely Skirmisher-Dragoon synergy.

Skirmisher-Dragoon synergy?

DOWN WITH LUCKY ENEMIES! :picket:

I'll drink to that.

[Palathadric]

It was a joke. Forgot the:

[Flipz]

Skirmisher-Dragoon synergy?

Skirmishers and Dragoons share nearly-identical weapon proficienies (and the type they don't share, longswords, doesn't benefit from the Skirmisher ability to throw pole-arms from the Back Row, making a longsword a poor choice for a primary Skirmisher weapon anyway), not to mention that at least 95% of Artifacts suitable for Skirmishers is suitable for Dragoons and vice versa. If you build for Skirmisher, you've built for Dragoon as well.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Flipz

[Khorne]

It just came to me one day when I was thinking of a suitable new "gambling game" for the quest, and I fell in love with it so much I decided to make an entire sidequest encompassing the entire quest out of it.

Actually, I really really like the concept, too. I am a 90's kid, Pokémon was the thing during my days as a youngling . I had a whole bunch of those cards, plus the GameBoy games (Blue, Crystal, Ruby: only 3 generations of Pokémon for me ). I still play those games sometimes, when I'm nostalgic and want to feel like I am 10-year-ish kid again .

However, with such a bloodthirsty group we have in Quest#100, we'll have to see if there's anyone left alive in all of Babeleth to spread the game forward once the quest is done.

All I wanted was to a jab at them and make a mean joke about their name. I swear I didn't have the intention of fighting them. Not immediatly, though,... Dim Haven being a dark lair for smugglers and sellswords, I thought they'd be used to mean comments. Anyway, they drew first .

[StickFig]

Skirmishers and Dragoons share nearly-identical weapon proficienies...

Rats, I was hoping there was something more cool and interesting that I'd missed....

[Palathadric]

Well, I'm a 90s kid, but I never heard of Pokemon before I came to Eurobricks.

[StickFig]

Well, I'm a 90s kid, but I never heard of Pokemon before I came to Eurobricks.

Where did you grow up? And why didn't I grow up there too? Those things were inescapable in any Public Middle School in America from the minute they came out....

[LordoftheNoobs]

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to call me the biggest fan of Pokémon in the universe, but I never really got the card game; that is, neither the mechanics or the appeal of it.