Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Actaeon]

I can't decide what to buy. Any suggestions?

[KotZ]

Well, that "one or two Rounds" sure turned into a lot more.

Legonater, shouldn't Hand Soldier have gotten a Free Hit on Thalion? It wouldn't have done any damage due to his defense, but it should still be noted.

See, your problem here is that no one's told you how Endgame enemies work. Basically, the process goes like this:

Step 1. Endgame character tells you what to do.

Step 2. You do it.

Step 3. They die. (Or, if Endgame doesn't want them dead yet, they inexplicably get away.)

Trying to jump the rails in between steps 1 and 2 only delays the inevitable.

So that's how that quest ran for about seven months.

I can't decide what to buy. Any suggestions?

Everything. But on a serious note, I'm in the same boat.

[StickFig]

Well, Actaeon should sell/trade Matthias the dragoon greaves, and then you can have even more money to not know what to do with hahaha.

I will say it's a good idea to keep a fairly large amount of gold available, in case you come across one of the rare in-quest shops that preforms hollow blade or other enhancements....

[Actaeon]

Well, Actaeon should sell/trade Matthias the dragoon greaves, and then you can have even more money to not know what to do with hahaha.

I will say it's a good idea to keep a fairly large amount of gold available, in case you come across one of the rare in-quest shops that preforms hollow blade or other enhancements....

Good idea. It just bothers me that I have so much more than I've ever had before and have nothing really to spend it on. Except maybe a second artifact. Even then, I wouldn't know which one to get.

[The Chosen Minifigure]

I would go for upgrades and maybe a couple of effect bombs.

Thats my plan.

[StickFig]

Except maybe a second artifact. Even then, I wouldn't know which one to get.

In that situation I always just ask @Flipz.

[Myrddyn]

Everything. But on a serious note, I'm in the same boat.

For Kiray, I would suggest a better shield - You can sell off the scutum shield for 15 gold and get an SP:5 one from Anwyl for another 35 gold, which is a very good price for +2 SP. Or you could see what you can buy off other heroes - There's always the risk that you'll find something better on you next quest, but that goes for most things you can spend your money on.

I'd also suggest you look for heroes with stuff to buy and imbue into that Fishy Scale Mail, especially if you're planning to stay a class that can use it for a while. You are very unlikely to find better armour than that. Immunities are somewhat less useful at lower levels, though, I think, compared to the cheaper cost of equipment upgrades.

Gems are usually 70-100 gold, plus 50 gold to imbue in armour/weapons, and you can move the gem from your flameproof armour to the FSM for 100 gold, so I'd suggest that even if you can't find any heroes selling gems.

I can't decide what to buy. Any suggestions?

It really depends what role you want your character to play in a fight, though - for a Knight, you can go the super-tank role and focus on soaking up damage, or you can build on your attack and just use the extra defence of your shield to knock-out heavy hitting enemies with less risk than the lower-health DPS's.

Ranger is really a jack--of-all-trades, so it's harder to make suggestions. Ranger's Quiver is a very good price for +1 WP, but you might want to hold off if you plan to go Hunter and get the Hunter's Quiver then - or you might want to take advantage of the back row and build defence.

"Tools are often a reasonable investment, too." says the guy whose character has no tools.

I will say it's a good idea to keep a fairly large amount of gold available, in case you come across one of the rare in-quest shops that preforms hollow blade or other enhancements....

That's certainly a good point, but I'd caution you that gold-stealing enemies are possibly slightly more common than awesome in-quest shops.

[Flipz]

Good idea. It just bothers me that I have so much more than I've ever had before and have nothing really to spend it on. Except maybe a second artifact. Even then, I wouldn't know which one to get.

Hmm, might be a little early to start going for upgrades. Generally I wouldn't recommend more than a couple ups total until at least your Advanced Class, if not Level 20. The reasoning for this is that 1.) getting an Advanced Class can change a LOT in terms of where money is best spent (i.e. buying gems/scrolls if swapping to a Mage/Cleric AC, SP if going to Knight, new/better Artifact and weapon proficiencies, etc.), and 2.) Level 20, because it introduces a third Artifact slot, is where builds can really start to gain some cohesion and synergy; with 1 Artifact slot, it's basically a primer to the system, or if you're really lucky you'll find something like Docken's Scary Hat or Dyric's Lucky Die that can serve as the core for an overall build. With 2 Artifacts and your Advanced Class, you have pretty much one layer of synergy; either you get one defense Artifact and one utility Artifact, or a utility or defense Artifact and an Artifact (e.g. Black Knight's Armor or Hunter's Quiver) that patches one of the drawbacks of your class, or if you're lucky you'll find a really powerful Artifact that has a strong negative drawback, and another Artifact that can patch said weakness (e.g. Hybros' Golden Armor and the Blessed Amulet he used to use to pair with it).

Level 20 is when you have enough slots (and enough options based on class and abilities) to really start to differentiate your build from other players of a similar class and Level; you can tank up with defense (SP/immunities), bulk up with power, or become a jack-of-all-trades with lots of utility, or you can balance all three; additionally, if you have a layer of synergy from the previous stage (i.e. Slowing weapon + Winged Sandals), you can now add more on top of it with a third Artifact. At this point, between your experience playing the game and your mechanical build, you should have a fair idea of the kind of playstyle you'd like to play (and possibly the Expert Class(es) you want to shoot for), and can decide whether or not you want to devote your Gold to direct upgrades or into sidegrades like better Artifacts/weapons or making preparations for your EC.

For Actaeon specifically, a Ranger's Quiver is a great buy; it's a cheap 20 Gold upgrade that you can later sell back for 10 when you've found better Backwear. Another good choice would be to throw a Topaz and/or Sapphire into his bow, so as to stack the multipliers (compare 6*2=12+10=22 damage vs Flying to 6*2=12+10=22*2=44 or 6*2=12+10=22*4=88 damage vs Flying).

Correct me if I'm wrong, however, but it almost seems like Actaeon's leaning towards Evoker (what with the two loose Scrolls). That might be a decent build; in that case, maybe buy that cape off of Francis and find an Aquamarine so your attacks deal Fragile. (That is, if Thalion or Heckz don't put in bids first; imagine a Sorcerer with the Bad Luck Charm AND the Cloak of the Sea Beast casting Water spells. Bonus points if they borrow Overkill Gloves. ) He wouldn't even have to worry that much about Aquatic enemies, either, given his Scroll that allows him to tame them for long periods of time. It would also be an ideal start if he later decides to go Weather Mage (which would use the same weapons he already had, while also allowing him to stack Fragile with further double damage from Humid).

Everything. But on a serious note, I'm in the same boat.

Yeah, the Marketplace shield is a good buy, though I believe there's 1 or 2 people floating around who have shields that provide immunity to Blind or Fragile; based on the new scarcity of Scrolls and other offensive spell items (thanks to Elphaba's departure), it may be worth the cost of upgrading one of them.

Definitely drag the Ruby out of the Flameproof Armor and into the new armor. Apart from that, there's still not a whole lot of specialization going on; you may want to hold onto your money and wait until you reach your Expert Class before making a lot of big choices. Maybe grab Counterstrike Gloves if you're really itching for more flexibility, but the meta has shifted away from those a long time ago, and I don't really see them making a substantial comeback.

That's certainly a good point, but I'd caution you that gold-stealing enemies are possibly slightly more common than awesome in-quest shops.

Actually, it's the other way around. Well, okay, "awesome" in-Quest shops are relatively rare, but it's still good to be able to stock up on necessities out in the field, and gold-stealing enemies are actually quite rare unless you focus on fighting Wolfgang (which Kiray obviously wouldn't be doing).

[The Chosen Minifigure]

How many Zirconias are in circulation?

[Khorne]

How many Zirconias are in circulation?

I believe there's only one. If I'm not mistaken, the Zirconia was the family crown jewel of the Ziegfrieds, which was then stolen by Violetta the Cat-Burglar and later given to the heroes by the Wolfpack as a reward. My mind is kind of blurry on the matter, though, so I could be mistaken .

[Endgame]

Step 1. Endgame character tells you what to do.

Step 2. You do it.

Step 3. They die. (Or, if Endgame doesn't want them dead yet, they inexplicably get away.)

I'm fairly certain thats how every battle works to an extent, Flipz.

Also, if you're referring to 105 with step 3, if you check the math Seerus fled with 50-100 HP left.

I believe there's only one. If I'm not mistaken, the Zirconia was the family crown jewel of the Ziegfrieds, which was then stolen by Violetta the Cat-Burglar and later given to the heroes by the Wolfpack as a reward. My mind is kind of blurry on the matter, though, so I could be mistaken .

2 exist, currently: One with the Ziegfrieds and the other got dropped by Tiamat back in 75.

Edited December 1, 2014 by Endgame

[KotZ]

For Kiray, I would suggest a better shield - You can sell off the scutum shield for 15 gold and get an SP:5 one from Anwyl for another 35 gold, which is a very good price for +2 SP. Or you could see what you can buy off other heroes - There's always the risk that you'll find something better on you next quest, but that goes for most things you can spend your money on.

I'd also suggest you look for heroes with stuff to buy and imbue into that Fishy Scale Mail, especially if you're planning to stay a class that can use it for a while. You are very unlikely to find better armour than that. Immunities are somewhat less useful at lower levels, though, I think, compared to the cheaper cost of equipment upgrades.

Gems are usually 70-100 gold, plus 50 gold to imbue in armour/weapons, and you can move the gem from your flameproof armour to the FSM for 100 gold, so I'd suggest that even if you can't find any heroes selling gems.

I'll search around, I have felt like her shield has been lacking; I've been lucky getting a bunch of great drops for her these past two quests.

Yeah, the Marketplace shield is a good buy, though I believe there's 1 or 2 people floating around who have shields that provide immunity to Blind or Fragile; based on the new scarcity of Scrolls and other offensive spell items (thanks to Elphaba's departure), it may be worth the cost of upgrading one of them.

Definitely drag the Ruby out of the Flameproof Armor and into the new armor. Apart from that, there's still not a whole lot of specialization going on; you may want to hold onto your money and wait until you reach your Expert Class before making a lot of big choices. Maybe grab Counterstrike Gloves if you're really itching for more flexibility, but the meta has shifted away from those a long time ago, and I don't really see them making a substantial comeback.

Actually, it's the other way around. Well, okay, "awesome" in-Quest shops are relatively rare, but it's still good to be able to stock up on necessities out in the field, and gold-stealing enemies are actually quite rare unless you focus on fighting Wolfgang (which Kiray obviously wouldn't be doing).

I'll certainly look around to see who's out there and interested in selling. I looked at the Counterstrike gloves but wasn't really grabbed by them. Kiray, right now, is planned to move towards Black Knight into Beast Warrior or Dragoon later, based on how she's doing with Wolfgang right now.

[Sandy]

Apologies to my questies, I thought I would've been able to get online yesterday evening, but I couldn't. Updates are on the way, though!

[Flare]

2 exist, currently: One with the Ziegfrieds and the other got dropped by Tiamat back in 75.

Yup. But if I remember correctly, there mightve been one as a drop in one of the incredibly difficult regions of the Fields of Glory, but I'm not sure. No one ever got it though.

[Sandy]

Hi, The-Doctor, and welcome to Eurobricks as well as Heroica RPG!

I hate to start out with negative stuff, but I have to ask you to think of a new character to play in Heroica RPG, something that is original and not part of any existing franchise.

As cool as the Doctor is, mixing his story into that of Heroica RPG is not going to cut it, I'm afraid. There are many references to popular culture - including Doctor Who - in our game, but downright adding a character from a tv-series goes too far.

I'm going to have to hide your posts from general view, but you are very welcome to create a new character that YOU thought up. Don't be afraid to think outside the box - just don't go digging into someone else's box.

Hope you understand! If you need any help, for example with the photography, don't hesitate to ask!

[UsernameMDM]

Hi, The-Doctor, and welcome to Eurobricks as well as Heroica RPG!

I hate to start out with negative stuff, but I have to ask you to think of a new character to play in Heroica RPG, something that is original and not part of any existing franchise.

I wasn't going to say anything when I saw it, but, yeah, agree.

[The-Doctor]

Oh. Sorry. Right.

Pity, because I had a "Fantastic" idea of how to integrate him into the world.

Can I

A: Use a species from the Whoniverse or

B: Use a character with the same name and traits, but in Heroica E.G. Cap'n Jack McHarkness, Ex Sea-Agent instead of Captain Jack Harkness, Ex Time-Agent.

Thanks for your time.

[UsernameMDM]

Depends. Are you trying to make Heroica into an episode of Dr Who or are you wanting to play the game as is?

[Waterbrick Down]

Oh. Sorry. Right.

Pity, because I had a "Fantastic" idea of how to integrate him into the world.

Can I

A: Use a species from the Whoniverse or

B: Use a character with the same name and traits, but in Heroica E.G. Cap'n Jack McHarkness, Ex Sea-Agent instead of Captain Jack Harkness, Ex Time-Agent.

Thanks for your time.

A: I don't see why you couldn't use a species from the Whoniverse, though I think most folks would be opposed to taking one with all of it's traits and culture and just inserting it into Heroica, part of the fun comes from creating a race or culture that is unique in some of its aspects to the world of Heroica. Of course Heroica has the traditional high fantasy races like elves and dwarves and halflings and they pretty much fall into canon with a lot of the high fantasy genre out there, but there are plenty of examples or races invented purely for the world of Heroica. If you haven't already, check out the Embassy, it collects a lot of information on the races that inhabit the world of Heroica RPG. So to put it succinctly, there's no problems with a new race, just make sure you're being creative and not just copying and pasting.

B: Nothing wrong with that, a lot of times you'll see characters that draw elements from several different characters, my character Skrall for example, initially borrowed some traits from Robin Hood, Sparticus, and a Web-comic character, but has evolved into his own completely unique character over time. Make sure the character is your own though and again not just a copy and paste. Make sure Cap'n Jack McHarkness is making decisions and acting based on who he is, not on who the character he is based off of is. Your character should be living out a life of their own, not someone else's, if that makes sense. If you merely cut and paste, people'll will get bored of your character pretty fast, because we already know how he is going to react.

Edited December 1, 2014 by Waterbrick Down

[Kintobor]

I don't see anything wrong with drawing inspiration from a character from a TV show; you'll see a lot of references to just about anything and everything in the game, from Ghostbusters, to Madoka Magica, to even My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. (Especially on my quests. ) Just make sure the character's not a carbon copy. If you want to play a Jack Harkniss kind of character, just name him Jack ___ or ___ Harkniss if you want the reference to be a little more up front. Drawing inspiration from other characters and sources is fine, in fact it can help a lot if you've never role played before. I'd recommend not directly copying it though, since it gets old fast for both the other players and you.

I'm certain you can find a Heroica stand in for just about any of the Dr. Who species. Those cat creatures that showed up a lot during Tennant's run could easily be were-cats. Silurians could be were-reptiles. A more robotic species could be an automaton. Like Waterbrick Down said, check out the Embassy and look through the races. Even if you don't have the parts, one of us could probably build something for you.

[The Chosen Minifigure]

I agree with all that has been said, and would like to add (as a lifelong whovian) that maybe you could blend 2 characters, or take one character and make it a different race e.g. Cap'n Jack McHarkness, 22 year old Silurian. Be inventive!

I don't see anything wrong with drawing inspiration from a character from a TV show; you'll see a lot of references to just about anything and everything in the game, from Ghostbusters, to Madoka Magica, to even My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. (Especially on my quests. ) Just make sure the character's not a carbon copy. If you want to play a Jack Harkniss kind of character, just name him Jack ___ or ___ Harkniss if you want the reference to be a little more up front. Drawing inspiration from other characters and sources is fine, in fact it can help a lot if you've never role played before. I'd recommend not directly copying it though, since it gets old fast for both the other players and you.

I'm certain you can find a Heroica stand in for just about any of the Dr. Who species. Those cat creatures that showed up a lot during Tennant's run could easily be were-cats. Silurians could be were-reptiles. A more robotic species could be an automaton. Like Waterbrick Down said, check out the Embassy and look through the races. Even if you don't have the parts, one of us could probably build something for you.

Nitpick time!

Not Harkniss, Harkness.

Not Dr. Who, Doctor who.

[The-Doctor]

Thanks for all your inputs.

I'll be back next week with a new character.

Until then, bye!

[KotZ]

So I'm browsing the site on my mobile today during some down time... and this happens... Nice to know you're watching.

[Waterbrick Down]

Thanks for all your inputs.

I'll be back next week with a new character.

Until then, bye!

Looking forward to see what you bring.

[Myrddyn]

I hate to start out with negative stuff, but I have to ask you to think of a new character to play in Heroica RPG, something that is original and not part of any existing franchise.

Aww, no Doctor who. Makes sense though. Besides, he was the wrong class - Should have been a mage or another rogue.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what your next character is.