UsernameMDM Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 True, but I'm not sure how that's a good thing, seeing as how you're going to be facing a 1/2 chance of disobedience. Enlighten me... Quote
CMP Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Enlighten me... In the training room if you go Dragoon after passing the level 40 mark your dragon has an increasingly high chance of not doing its Shield. Hoke was never Dragoon, so.... Quote
UsernameMDM Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Hoke Ablesword, the Krakenwhacker, the Titan Smiter, the Champion of the Northern Kingdoms and the Rock Champion of Decamon (played by UsernameMDM) ~ 20 years old male human Knight ~ Joined Heroica on the 19th of August, 2011 ~ Successfully completed Quest#5: Cave Sounds at Level 6 on the 10th of October, 2011 ~ Successfully completed Quest#12: Honey, I Shrunk the Youngins! at Level 12 on the 1st of December, 2011 ~ Successfully completed Quest#19: Let's Start a Riot at Level 16 on the 29th of February, 2012 ~ Completed the cancelled Quest#25: Imbuing the Sword at Level 18 on the 25th of July, 2012 ~ Successfully completed Quest#53: Chaos in Eubric at Level 22 on the 28th of March, 2013 ~ Left the Unlimited Quest: Fields of Glory at Level 29 on the 5th of October, 2013 ~ Successfully completed Quest#88: Fathers and Sons at Level 32 on the 17th of May, 2014 ~ Successfully completed Quest#103: Alfendi Lupine Strikes Again! at Level 34 on the 14th of October, 2014 ~ Successfully completed Quest#116: The Tale of Two Faces at Level 38 on the 15th of December, 2014 ~ Successfully completed Quest#121: Want Your Mummy? at Level 40 on the 27th of January, 2015 ~ Chose the advanced job class of Mystic Knight on the 29th of February, 2012 ~ Chose the expert job class of Dragoon on the 14th of October, 2014 ~ Chose the advanced job class of Mystic Knight on the 14th of October, 2014 ~ Has access to the expert job classes of Decamon Drafter, Dragoon and Regulator upon Level 30 ~ Has a great reputation among the Shadeaux and a good reputation among the Ji Pei It's all about when you train to be a dragoon, ie. which state you first get your pet dragon. If it has grown up without you, it will mistrust you. So if you first become a Dragoon at Level 40 or above, then the Shield-skill has a 1/4 chance to fail. It doesn't count if you have switched to another class and then return to Dragoon beyond Level 40, though, because the pet dragon is still the same. Edited March 13, 2015 by UsernameMDM Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Enlighten me... #125 set the standards for former Dragoons - you may role-play your dragon, but you cannot use any traits that Dragoons had. The trait Pet Dragon grants level 30-39 heroes the benefit of 0/0 mistrust. You’re about to turn level 50, which has 1/2 mistrust. Now, I could be wrong on this, but if Arnold wasn’t allowed to carry forward the benefits of his former Pet Dragon trait, I’m not sure you are allowed to carry forward yours - the more so since Arnold was only trying to get Miriam to look into a window, which is a much smaller effect than the effect of a 0/0 mistrust modifier… But, it's Sandy's ruling, though. I personally would support the trust being carried forward - I really like the looks of Vindicator, but I'm afraid to train it because, according to the rules, I wouldn't have enough trust with my Dragon. Quote
UsernameMDM Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) #125 set the standards for former Dragoons - you may role-play your dragon, but you cannot use any traits that Dragoons had. The trait Pet Dragon grants level 30-39 heroes the benefit of 0/0 mistrust. You’re about to turn level 50, which has 1/2 mistrust. Now, I could be wrong on this, but if Arnold wasn’t allowed to carry forward the benefits of his former Pet Dragon trait, I’m not sure you are allowed to carry forward yours - the more so since Arnold was only trying to get Miriam to look into a window, which is a much smaller effect than the effect of a 0/0 mistrust modifier… But, it's Sandy's ruling, though. I personally would support the trust being carried forward - I really like the looks of Vindicator, but I'm afraid to train it because, according to the rules, I wouldn't have enough trust with my Dragon. See above post. Hoke cannot have a dragon without first training to be a Dragoon. Hoke can't use the dragon for anything other than role-play purposes, which is all I have done this whole time. Edited March 13, 2015 by UsernameMDM Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 See above post. I did - I was still posting when it was posted. Well, that is definitely a positive. Marauder/Vindicator, here I may someday come! Quote
Sandy Posted March 13, 2015 Author Posted March 13, 2015 The trait Pet Dragon grants level 30-39 heroes the benefit of 0/0 mistrust. You’re about to turn level 50, which has 1/2 mistrust. Now, I could be wrong on this, but if Arnold wasn’t allowed to carry forward the benefits of his former Pet Dragon trait, I’m not sure you are allowed to carry forward yours - the more so since Arnold was only trying to get Miriam to look into a window, which is a much smaller effect than the effect of a 0/0 mistrust modifier… You're making things up - who are Arnold and Miriam, anyway? As it is stated in the rules, the mistrust modifier only applies to people who train as Dragoons for the first time at Level 40 or above. Hoke has already formed a bond with his dragon companion, so there's no mistrust between them. Quote
UsernameMDM Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 As it is stated in the rules, the mistrust modifier only applies to people who train as Dragoons for the first time at Level 40 or above. Hoke has already formed a bond with his dragon companion, so there's no mistrust between them. And BOOM goes the dynamite! I really can't wait to play Dragoon, especially with the recent Dragon's Wrath update. And to get to level 54 (at least). Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 How did I get Arthur's name confused with Arnold... Quote
Kintobor Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 As it is stated in the rules, the mistrust modifier only applies to people who train as Dragoons for the first time at Level 40 or above. Hoke has already formed a bond with his dragon companion, so there's no mistrust between them. See, I disagree. What's stopping players from going Dragoon, dropping Dragoon after a quest, and then coming back to Dragoon at a higher level? I think we're forgetting that we're dealing with dragons. They're not a horse or a wolf or something that can be tamed with breeding and training, their elemental creatures of immense power with the ability to speak, creatures who could destroy cities if they see fit, even countries! A hero willy nilly dropping Dragoon and coming back to it should receive a negative trust effect with their dragon because why should the dragon trust the hero who ditches them for another class? We've seen that dragon's can speak and do have the ability to rationalize emotions. Where do dragons go when they're not being used in combat? They can't be used by the PC for scouting or any other such thing. Quote
Sandy Posted March 13, 2015 Author Posted March 13, 2015 A hero willy nilly dropping Dragoon and coming back to it should receive a negative trust effect with their dragon because why should the dragon trust the hero who ditches them for another class? We've seen that dragon's can speak and do have the ability to rationalize emotions. Where do dragons go when they're not being used in combat? They can't be used by the PC for scouting or any other such thing. I understand your sentiment, but I want to keep the rules simple. If the mistrust level changed every time the player switched out of the class and returned, it would be a nightmare to keep track of. Quote
Kintobor Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) I understand your sentiment, but I want to keep the rules simple. If the mistrust level changed every time the player switched out of the class and returned, it would be a nightmare to keep track of. Isn't that being done in the Hall thread, though? Class changes are recorded there, if I recall. Edited March 13, 2015 by Kintobor Quote
UsernameMDM Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Isn't that being done in the Hall thread, though? Class changes are recorded there, if I recall. But levels aren't. Quote
The Chosen Minifigure Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Yes they are. It says the characters level at the end of each quest. Therefore recording level. Quote
UsernameMDM Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Yes they are. It says the characters level at the end of each quest. Therefore recording level. Ah, I meant when classes are switched. Quote
Kintobor Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I thought that was originally posted in the hall as well. It's kind of important. One could go back through the Training Room, but considering how long some of those posts get, it might help to post it in the hall as well. Quote
Sandy Posted March 14, 2015 Author Posted March 14, 2015 I thought that was originally posted in the hall as well. It's kind of important. I've never posted the levels in which a class change has happened. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Guts is just too good at rolling those sweet ones. Quote
Palathadric Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 You need to get an artifact that makes you immune to insta-kill. And now I'm thinking of Docken and Pretzel soul-linked together. Quote
Myrddyn Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Hey, start wearing the Rubber Gloves. And sell Erik Magnar's smaller axe. Quote
KotZ Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Sorry for the late update, 126ers. SXSW just started and I'm volunteering for it and enjoying my free time with it but there shouldn't be anymore late updates like the ones I just did. Quote
Asphalt Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 No problem King, looking forward to some sea travel. Quote
Palathadric Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 "No man is an island ranger. Actually, some men are, they just don't call them that. Quote
Robert10ant Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 To my questmates: There is a high chance of me being unavailable for up to 4 days. I will do my best to post, but it seems unlikely that I'll have time. Sorry. :sheepish: Quote
Sandy Posted March 15, 2015 Author Posted March 15, 2015 To my questmates: There is a high chance of me being unavailable for up to 4 days. I will do my best to post, but it seems unlikely that I'll have time. Sorry. :sheepish: Since you are a new player, I feel obligated to say this: it is considered bad form to sign into quests when you know you will be gone for an extended period of time. Granted, four days isn't an awfully long time when it comes to quests - not much will probably happen during your absence -, but if you knew this in advance, you should've at least informed your Quest Master about it before he picked the players. So please remember this in the future. Quote
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