CMP Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 And conversion only works if you're actually, you know, converting someone, not just bossing them around. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Yeah I realized that, and had edited my post before you posted that. But seriously though, any good High Cleric knows that a good conversion starts of with a sob story. Edited August 17, 2015 by Scubacarrot Quote
CMP Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Yeah I realized that, and had edited my post before you posted that. The timestamps don't lie. And I don't think Calamity understands what conversion is. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) The timestamps don't lie. And I don't think Calamity understands what conversion is. I mean, she's no cleric... It's hard to convert everyday people to the glorious faith of summoning demons for power and power alone, alright. Conversion seems like a difficult thing to get right, I reckon we'll see a lot of failed attempts. The timestamp is that way because I fixed spelling, I think, we still crossposted, not that it matters at all. Edited August 17, 2015 by Scubacarrot Quote
UsernameMDM Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Well, I mean, when I wear my full armor I have the highest SP in the game, a TON of immunities, and I hit about 2/3 as hard as Guts...and have a Dragon on top of it. Post-40, Arthur's probably going to be at least as hard to balance for as Hoke/Guts (though at least it'll be hard to balance for in the "by god, those numbers!" sense, not the "by got, he's got SO MUCH DAMN STUFF AND SO MANY THINGS HE CAN DO WITH IT ARGHEBFDGS!!!" sense like it used to be ). Yeah, but, well, I mean, Hoke didn't back-stab his quest mates in favor of a lunatic trying to kill a god in the name of Chaos... That Shadeaux cloak is pretty outrageous though. You deserve it because of your studious role-play. But yeah, I wish I had more wish-bang type artefacts for Hoke. He's pretty vanilla, which is ok for me, but having a bit of flexibility with different builds would be nice®. Not really complaining though as I happy where Hoke is, and hopefully, where he is going. Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I mean, she's no cleric... It's hard to convert everyday people to the glorious faith of summoning demons for power and power alone, alright. Try converting people to the idea that they have no actual free will, and that they're controlled by higher beings with opposable thumbs. Quote
Endgame Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I think that would make Sorrow very happy. Backwards kneecaps for EVERYBODY! If Sorrow ends up having to fight someone he doesn't want, he'll just flat out leave. (Since I'm almost certain he and Karie will end up on different sides.) Quote
Asphalt Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I think the Wanderer has a few things going for him. Backwards kneecaps for EVERYBODY! If Sorrow ends up having to fight someone he doesn't want, he'll just flat out leave. (Since I'm almost certain he and Karie will end up on different sides.) Think Sorrows staff is big enough to knock Vinds caps backwards? Edited August 17, 2015 by Asphalt Quote
Flipz Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Try converting people to the idea that they have no actual free will, and that they're controlled by higher beings with opposable thumbs. Gotta be honest, even knowing what you're going for with that, it...really rubs me the wrong way. One of the things that makes Lind the character so difficult to like or sympathize with. Quote
K-Nut Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Backwards kneecaps for EVERYBODY! Don't make me take back that staff. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Zepher, if you see this, does the Orange Mask of Z only work for the next enemy in line, or all enemies in line? As in say there's four enemies with 100 health, you hit the first with 400 damage, do they all die, or just the first two? Quote
Endgame Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 What quest has a High Cleric in it right now for people to get converted? The search results yeild nothing. Don't make me take back that staff. You'll have to crael back to Heroica Hall if you try! Quote
Scubacarrot Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 What quest has a High Cleric in it right now for people to get converted? The search results yeild nothing. There is a drink in 140 that gave Calamity the job traits of a High Cleric. Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Gotta be honest, even knowing what you're going for with that, it...really rubs me the wrong way. One of the things that makes Lind the character so difficult to like or sympathize with. I'll keep that in mind. I just thought it was kind of an interesting facet to his character and beliefs. Here you have a character that sounds completely crazy to all the "rational" people...but yet he's completely right. I don't plan on him going around and proselytizing people or anything. It's just a small background influence to his interactions with certain characters and NPCs. Edited August 17, 2015 by Lind Whisperer Quote
Endgame Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I'm... Not really a fan either, to be honest. I don't like how there is a job trait that challenges/outright changes an NPC's potentially innermost beliefs. Intimidation and Diplomacy are different, I think - more "temporary", I guess? Quote
Asphalt Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I'll keep that in mind. I just thought it was kind of an interesting facet to his character and beliefs. Here you have a character that sounds completely crazy to all the "rational" people...but yet he's completely right. I think It's the metagaming aspect that puts people off Lind. Edited August 17, 2015 by Asphalt Quote
K-Nut Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I think It's the metagaming aspect that puts people off Lind. Agreed. I used to have Finnegan break the fourth wall, but it got old fast. Maybe if he were a complete nut job, then yes. Otherwise... You'll have to crael back to Heroica Hall if you try! With no undead in your army, you really think you could beat me? Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I'm... Not really a fan either, to be honest. I don't like how there is a job trait that challenges/outright changes an NPC's potentially innermost beliefs. Intimidation and Diplomacy are different, I think - more "temporary", I guess? Seconded. A character doesn't change their faith just based on a single conversation with someone. Well, they can, but normally it takes It's a Wonderful Life levels of desperation to change your world view that quickly... I think It's the metagaming aspect that puts people off Lind. Yeah, I'm trying to tame that down. It's supposed to be a funny character trait, that stays within the fourth wall...But it's either not noticeable, or it's annoying. Agreed. I used to have Finnegan break the fourth wall, but it got old fast. Maybe if he were a complete nut job, then yes. Otherwise... Is occasional vague references to the Dodekube still too much, or "within reason"? Quote
Kintobor Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I'm... Not really a fan either, to be honest. I don't like how there is a job trait that challenges/outright changes an NPC's potentially innermost beliefs. Intimidation and Diplomacy are different, I think - more "temporary", I guess? Diplomacy and Intimidation, and the Harlots Promiscuity help sway moods. They help a party potentially sway an NPCs position on a subject, or even lighten the tension in a potentially hostile situation. Convert outright changes their opinion and their beliefs, and I think that's where my issue is. Being religious takes devotion and an amount of dedication. It just feels weird for someone to approach someone and say a couple of words on their religion and the other being 100% convinced. Especially NPCs of differing faith. I'll keep that in mind. I just thought it was kind of an interesting facet to his character and beliefs. Here you have a character that sounds completely crazy to all the "rational" people...but yet he's completely right. Let me put it in this rational: when you watch a movie, you know the characters are just actors, and that the events and characters aren't real. We'll use the Marvel Cinematic Universe as an example. To these characters, however, this is their world, this is their existence, and their not actors playing characters, they are real people. Now imagine someone in the MCU came up and acknowledged this fact. How would that person be perceived? Edited August 17, 2015 by Kintobor Quote
K-Nut Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Now imagine someone in the MCU came up and acknowledged this fact. How would that person be perceived? Like Deadpool! Quote
Endgame Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Now imagine someone in the MCU came up and acknowledged this fact. How would that person be perceived? That person would be Deadpool. (...Althior and I posted this at the same time.) Well worded with the job traits, though. Edited August 17, 2015 by Endgame Quote
Kintobor Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Like Deadpool! Stop undermining my point! Quote
K-Nut Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 That person would be Deadpool. (...Althior and I posted this at the same time.) It's happened. We're now referring to each other by our character's names. Quote
Asphalt Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 He would also be spiderman. Better example of annoying right? Quote
K-Nut Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Stop undermining my point! Feel lucky that he's owned by Fox. Quote
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