UsernameMDM Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 1. Neither side was wholly good. I've said this several times. However, the Kingdoms were MORE BAD. To this I will just post 2a. It doesn't matter if, genetically speaking, they aren't Human; they're still people. Eh... 2b. The Orcs' goals changed as a result of Immaelstym. Prior to that, half of them seemed fine with just defending their own turf and that's it; of the two clans that were pushing for war, the Heroes dealt with one and the other was the rallying point for the attack on the bridge post-Immaelstym (i.e. the ones the Baltarok Heroes couldn't get to before said clan was "proven right" in the eyes of the Orcs by the Kingdoms' stupidity). It's only after the most peaceful clan was attacked out of the blue that the entirety of Baltarok decided to go to war. In retaliation from the Orc raids on the bridge. If the bugs keep biting, they will eventually be swatted. 3. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned on the Baltarok side that those troops specifically wanted to destroy the bridge; one of the "hostile" clans wanted to destroy the bridge, while the other wanted to cross it. Could say the same thing about the Kingdoms: some factions wanted violence, some didn't. 4. I'm not sure where I seem to imply I don't believe this? It still doesn't mean that some Heroes don't want to be heroes with a lowercase "h". There's a difference between being a hero & having a god-complex. I say mercs because I have yet to see a group of heroes turn down a reward. Heroes do it because it is just. 5a. Granted, the party was following their employer's orders. On the bridge, though, the Heroes were allowed to make their own choice; if they believed that their employer was in the wrong, that was the place where the players were given the freedom to act according to that belief.5b. It should be pointed out that both Baltarok and Dastan ASKED for Heroica's help. Olmystyr and Phil both knew their nation and made the call that Hero help would, in fact, help more than it hurt. That's their call to make, and refusing to answer it is just as much "I know better than you how to handle your culture" as actually answering the call to interfere. Dastan in this instance asked for help, but they should have handled in on their own. I knew Zepher threw it in there for roleplaying purposes after we defeated the mob, and it looked like Phil could have handled it just fine. 6. Baltarok touched on some really universal themes (namely racism and bigotry), which have only become more relevant over time; the trilogy also handled them in a subtle enough manner that there is room for people to discuss their ambiguities; it's something I like about all three QMs involved, and one reason Baltarok was much more divisive and controversial than the original Dastan trilogy (where at least one QM had a much more straightforward style). Agreed. EDIT: The Kingdoms seemed a lot more united than the Orcs. IIRC the big difference was that Four Boulders was more miliaristic overall, while Red Lizards was peaceful except for the zealot paladins...who happened to be basically ruling the country through David. And the 88 heroes took care of 2 of those. I wonder if they actually had a chance to take care of the third or if that was the way for the QMs to force the bridge fight. Unless you fight Hoke, I guess, in which case he'll just straight-up murderate your face or something. When you're good at something... Quote
CMP Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 There's a difference between being a hero & having a god-complex. I say mercs because I have yet to see a group of heroes turn down a reward. Heroes do it because it is just. I think Guts gave away a lot of his gold in Quest 44. Miderun gave away all her gold to another orc at some point but nobody was around to see it happen, which I thought was hilarious. Quote
UsernameMDM Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 I think Guts gave away a lot of his gold in Quest 44. It's not like Guts was lacking for gold at any point... Quote
Scubacarrot Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) I don't think it was that much that he gave to Sküld. I don't remember. I do recall it was enough to move her and her family out of the Hovels, I think that was pretty neat. It's not like Guts was lacking for gold at any point... He will, though! For the first time I'm not playing a gold making class. So when his current stack runs out... Edited September 12, 2015 by Scubacarrot Quote
UsernameMDM Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 So when his current stack runs out... Time for more ADVENTURE!!! Quote
Sandy Posted September 13, 2015 Author Posted September 13, 2015 Curse is even more dangerous because is removes maximum health, even if you use a remedy instantly there's still that tiny bit of health missing that you cannot regain by any means. Actually, you regain the lost max health as soon as cursed is remedied. Any current health lost will not be restored, though. Legoland Malaysia was fun, by the way. Got myself a haul of sets for cheap, including the new Millennium Falcon. Quote
KotZ Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Legoland Malaysia was fun, by the way. Got myself a haul of sets for cheap, including the new Millennium Falcon. So Heroica group trip to Legoland Malaysia for a bunch of cheap sets? Who's in? Quote
StickFig Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 If y'all haven't figured out that Zepher quests are morally ambiguous/lose-lose, then I don't know what to tell you. If you solve one problem, it either leaves one unattended to that gets worse or it causes another one to pop up. Lots of unswayable NPCs, multiple factions at odds, etc etc. Except Guffington quests. They're always a bit more out there. Yeah, I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop in this very straightfoward, get-the-treasure, bring-it-back quest. Quote
Endgame Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I get the feeling the other shoe is The World, and The World is very ambiguous. Quote
The Legonater Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Yeah, I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop in this very straightfoward, get-the-treasure, bring-it-back quest. Yes. The lack of really anything happening in Duplovia has thrown me for such a loop. I keep expecting the floor to fall out from under me. Quote
Flipz Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Yes. The lack of really anything happening in Duplovia has thrown me for such a loop. I keep expecting the floor to fall out from under me. Well, I mean, I can guarantee some stuff is going down in Duplovia, but it may not be connected to whatever Zeph has going on there. Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Well, I mean, I can guarantee some stuff is going down in Duplovia, but it may not be connected to whatever Zeph has going on there. Ooh, new quest? Quote
Palathadric Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Got myself a haul of sets for cheap, including the new Millennium Falcon. So Heroica group trip to Legoland Malaysia for a bunch of cheap sets? Who's in? Pick me! Pick me! Quote
Asphalt Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 If you're covering flight costs, I'm in. Quote
Flipz Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I am so, so sorry for how little I've been able to participate the past week or so. 141, you will receive some extra compensation later on; UQ and 139, all I can offer are my most sincere apologies. Quote
Endgame Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Even though Vorpalis was a complete bastard to her, I love how he "improved" Jinnipher's opinion on dragons - she called Vorpalis a beast for all of 138, but she seems to have a bit more respect for their power now. Quote
JimBee Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Even though Vorpalis was a complete bastard to her, I love how he "improved" Jinnipher's opinion on dragons - she called Vorpalis a beast for all of 138, but she seems to have a bit more respect for their power now. Yeah, I mean Vorpalis was evil but there was never any doubt that he was more than just a dumb beast. Jinnipher called him that as an insult, plus she is still young for an elf and naive so she's bound to contradict herself or make sweeping generalizations. Also, as a Lawful Good (as much as I've been against boxing myself in with those kind of labels), she'll at least try to see the morality of each situation. In 138 Vorpalis was evil, and now it seems like her employer wants to kill an equally intelligent creature for the sake of robbing it. At least, that's what I'm (she's) assuming. Quote
Mencot Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 So is anyone planning any Town watch quests or similar in the near future? Quote
StickFig Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 So is anyone planning any Town watch quests or similar in the near future? Someone wants to go Infiltrator! I'll add my request: Matthias could really use a couple ranks of Bonaparte reputation right about now.... Quote
Waterbrick Down Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Someone wants to go Infiltrator! I'll add my request: Matthias could really use a couple ranks of Bonaparte reputation right about now.... I'm still surprised at the sheer disproportion of quests offering reputation. Out of 140 quests, only 34 outright offered reputation with one of the main houses as a reward. A quick perusal of the archives shows a lot of quests still only offer 100 gold and a level of experience as a reward. Quote
UsernameMDM Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I'm still surprised at the sheer disproportion of quests offering reputation. Out of 140 quests, only 34 outright offered reputation with one of the main houses as a reward. A quick perusal of the archives shows a lot of quests still only offer 100 gold and a level of experience as a reward. Still not sure why 116 didn't offer rep since, well, it WAS a town watch quest... Quote
Waterbrick Down Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 At the time there didn't seem justification to allow for access to the class, Hoples was more of a detective than a trained operative. In retrospect it probably wouldn't of hurt though. Though if you look back at all the quests that offered infiltrator none of them were actually completed to grant access to the class. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I've said it before. If you want your quest to offer infiltrator, have some infiltrators in it. Doesn't make sense otherwise. Quote
Zepher Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Computer is with IT. It seems likely it will be at least a 24 hour fix, but I will try my very best to get my hands on a laptop today to continue the quests, albeit without pictures. Quote
Mencot Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Someone wants to go Infiltrator! Could be something fun to try out At the time there didn't seem justification to allow for access to the class, Hoples was more of a detective than a trained operative. In retrospect it probably wouldn't of hurt though. Though if you look back at all the quests that offered infiltrator none of them were actually completed to grant access to the class. So it would be about time then Quote
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