Scubacarrot Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Also, he managed to mess up one Kingdom, surely we can't trust him with another! Quote
Duvors Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Nice loophole there Sandy, was it intentional or did it just appear by accident? Quote
Sandy Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 And so Quest#135 comes to an abrupt end. I hope you aren't as dissatisfied with the ending as so many of you seemed to be about the quest itself... In other news, I am moving to another city tomorrow, so it will take a few days for me to unpack my things and get back on the groove, but after that I can dedicate my life to HRPG once again. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Indeed, a very succesful exiled arms dealer, that did not manage to get themselves send forward in time and/or is making up their credentials. Quote
Sandy Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 Nice loophole there Sandy, was it intentional or did it just appear by accident? What loophole are you talking about, exactly? Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 What loophole are you talking about, exactly? I think he meant the Psicrown."Cain, that green blob could not have been anything else but a mind-controlling parasite left behind by the celestial invaders at Mt. Ulysses. Could Baba really be allied with them as well?Lind's worst nightmare (possibly) becoming reality. Quote
Sandy Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 I think he meant the Psicrown. What makes it a loophole? While Baba was busy watching over the heroes, Ulric sent his own agents to retrieve the Psycrown. Baba wasn't the only magic-wielder in the Wolf's Den, after all... That of course would not have happened if the party had been successful in their quest, but I found this to be a nice alternative ending to the quest. Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 What makes it a loophole? While Baba was busy watching over the heroes, Ulric sent his own agents to retrieve the Psycrown. Baba wasn't the only magic-wielder in the Wolf's Den, after all... I was just guessing at what he might have meant - it seemed like perfectly good plot logic to me... Quote
Zepher Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 @Endgame @JimBee - sorry to co-opt your dragons! Hopefully they're coming across okay. JimBee, I couldn't actually see if Retraga said anything during the Rito's Resolution, so I don't really have anything to base the character off of other than the fact that (she?) is a friend to the Ritos. Endgame, I really love Alatreon, and liked in a lot in 105. I imagine him a bit more traditionalist, and while I'm sure he'd pay his debt to the 105ers if they were there, I don't imagine him as the sort to simply respect all of Heroica. Quote
Endgame Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Why would you be sorry? You're doing a great adaptation. Yeah, seems fitting for Alatreon. Quote
Cutcobra Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I really doubt the NPC's (from outside the factions) will get any votes. I'd be surprised if people even back the candidates Sandy/the Houses proposed . There's a chance that Heckz votes for Lorcan if, you know, no one actually votes for the sorcerer. Quote
Flipz Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I'd probably vote for Natasha to lead the Crescent Union; it's basically the same ideology (progress is good, oppression is bad), and she has experience leading people to that end. Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I'd probably vote for Natasha to lead the Crescent Union; it's basically the same ideology (progress is good, oppression is bad), and she has experience leading people to that end. I don't know enough about Natasha to predict how she'd rule, but ruling Eubric - it's just too corruptive for anyone to rule/half-rule, unless they specifically don't aspire to that kind of power.Eubric is the center lynchpin for the entire known world of Olegia. The ruler(s) won't just control a town, they'll be influencing the entire planet. It doesn't matter how good someone's ideals and leadership traits are starting out, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Except, in the case of a leader who specifically doesn't aspire to that kind power being elected. That is the only way that the relatively stable dynamic that the Houses have created can continue to exist, or, better still, to mature into something greater. Without a leader such as that, Eubric - and likely the world - will soon be slaving under either a tyrant or an oligarchy. Vote Lind 2015. "Forget Power. Let's Get This Place Cleaned Up - Together." Quote
Endgame Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Wouldnt a leader who doesn't want the power just be crushed under the power, become depressed, and step down/steer the plac einto oblivion? Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Wouldnt a leader who doesn't want the power just be crushed under the power, become depressed, and step down/steer the plac einto oblivion? No. If he was a true leader, who had studied history, he'd keep doing what he knew was right, no matter how depressing it was.And that's another thing. If a leader is happy, and the world's going along smoothly, everything's just fine. But when something bad does come, they won't be prepared as well as they might be. But a depressed leader, that's a true leader? They're going to be expecting any and every bad outcome, and have prepared for them. Which do you want - a leader that's prepared for the good and the bad? Or a leader that likes the idea of leading people through happy times? Quote
The Legonater Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I'm not sure why you think Eubric is so important. Asides from Heroica, it really has no influence. It's a shipping port, not the world's leading military force. Quote
Emjajoas Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) I don't know enough about Natasha to predict how she'd rule, but ruling Eubric - it's just too corruptive for anyone to rule/half-rule, unless they specifically don't aspire to that kind of power. Eubric is the center lynchpin for the entire known world of Olegia. The ruler(s) won't just control a town, they'll be influencing the entire planet. It doesn't matter how good someone's ideals and leadership traits are starting out, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Except, in the case of a leader who specifically doesn't aspire to that kind power being elected. That is the only way that the relatively stable dynamic that the Houses have created can continue to exist, or, better still, to mature into something greater. Without a leader such as that, Eubric - and likely the world - will soon be slaving under either a tyrant or an oligarchy. Vote Lind 2015. "Forget Power. Let's Get This Place Cleaned Up - Together." I understand where you're coming from, but it baffles me why you think Lind is beyond corruption. I get that he's your character, and forgive me if I'm stepping on toes-- but it's as he said, he's made mistakes in the past. To top that off, is anyone really beyond corruption? If absolute power corrupts absolutely, then why is it that "not wanting" the position is going to save him from the hardships of being a King? I'm curious as to where you're coming from to push him so hard in the role of King. Do you think it would be an interesting turn of events for him? A cool way to develop his character? Or... Is it more for you than Lind? I'm sorry if I'm coming off as aggressive, that's not my intention-- I'm just very curious as to your thought process behind Lind as King, and I can't wrap my mind around it. Edited September 18, 2015 by Emjajoas Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I'm not sure why you think Eubric is so important. Asides from Heroica, it really has no influence. It's a shipping port, not the world's leading military force. It's not its force, it's its people.Eubric is the center hub where hundreds - thousands - of different races have converged and live side by side. A hundred different nations, nationalities, and representatives, all centered in one city. Ships that ship all around the world, the city where leaders secretly convene, the city where they hire their heroes - Eubric is the center of Olegia. It's not just a port, it's a hub. I understand where you're coming from, but it baffles me why you think Lind is beyond corruption. I get that he's your character, and forgive me if I'm stepping on toes-- but it's as he said, he's made mistakes in the past.Exactly. And he knows that. He doesn't think that he's a "perfect" leader. And that's what makes him a prime candidate. He's keenly aware of his flaws, and he's aware of the ways in which he might make more mistakes.To top that off, is anyone really beyond corruption? If absolute power corrupts absolutely, then why is it that "not wanting" the position is going to save him from the hardships of being a King?No, no one's beyond corruption. But the person that doesn't want the power of a kingship, and understands keenly how easy it is to be corrupted, is going to take the longest to be corrupted - and has the most chances of realizing on-coming corruption, and stopping it.I'm curious as to where you're coming from to push him so hard in the role of King. Do you think it would be an interesting turn of events for him? A cool way to develop his character?I'm playing him as he'd act. He sees a power void that risks - to the point of inevitability - being filled with a candidate that will succumb to corruption. And he's the only person he can trust to not succumb, or to step away if he does succumb.Good leaders aren't cocky. They may not be perfect. They know that they aren't infallible. All they can do, is do what they know is right. Quote
Flipz Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 It's literally impossible to nominate yourself for rulership while not wanting it. If someone else pushes you into taking the steps (i.e. a reluctant candidate filling out the paperwork because dozens of friends and family members are pushing her to do so), that's a lot closer to what you're talking about, but really the idea of "reluctant leader, immune to corruption" 1.) still doesn't make them incorruptible, just resistant (just like how nothing can be bulletproof, but it can be bullet-resistant), and 2.) only really works if the person is elected to power against their will. Nothing against you wanting that concept for your character, Lind, I'm just pointing out that the way your character has gone about it makes the trope not actually work; if anything, Lind the character might believe that he's fulfilling that trope, but by logical definition he's not. Quote
Kintobor Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Flipz said it best, so I'll shut my yap. Still, nothing against Lind running for King nomination for Crescent. If you want Lind to run, do it. Quote
Emjajoas Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Exactly. And he knows that. He doesn't think that he's a "perfect" leader. And that's what makes him a prime candidate. He's keenly aware of his flaws, and he's aware of the ways in which he might make more mistakes. No, no one's beyond corruption. But the person that doesn't want the power of a kingship, and understands keenly how easy it is to be corrupted, is going to take the longest to be corrupted - and has the most chances of realizing on-coming corruption, and stopping it. I'm playing him as he'd act. He sees a power void that risks - to the point of inevitability - being filled with a candidate that will succumb to corruption. And he's the only person he can trust to not succumb, or to step away if he does succumb. Good leaders aren't cocky. They may not be perfect. They know that they aren't infallible. All they can do, is do what they know is right. Alright, thanks for explaining. If that's how he's playing his hand, I can understand it a lot better and it's certainly more fitting. But I don't-- Oh, thanks, Flipz. You explained it a lot better than I could. I basically agree 100% with what Flipz said. I get your reasoning, I can see it, but it doesn't make the most sense to me unless you are intentionally twisting it. Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Flipz said it best, so I'll shut my yap. Still, nothing against Lind running for King nomination for Crescent. If you want Lind to run, do it. But I don't-- Oh, thanks, Flipz. You explained it a lot better than I could. I basically agree 100% with what Flipz said. I get your reasoning, I can see it, but it doesn't make the most sense to me unless you are intentionally twisting it. Agreed - good definition of the situation, Flipz! Quote
Pyrovisionary Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Vote Sarge for chancellor of the Exchequor, he'll increase total GDP by 50% by the end of each quest... Quote
Zepher Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I like it. There's a lot of bull headed characters. Lind is among them. He wants to win, and he's going about it in a different way. Totally cool! I also like that Natasha has won over Arthur so easily, whereas those who have met the Golden Crusade and seen their work (Hoke & Purpearl) seem much less onboard. I hope you don't think you're getting sole custody of that statue, Pyro! You were the one who was going to give it away. Quote
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