Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Scubacarrot]

I think Eubric is more important than you'd think. Eubric is an amazingly important force in keeping the oceans around Uland relatively, if not only slightly safe from pirates. Which is very important for trade with a whole bunch of different regions. On top of that, it houses two majorly important trading companies in the region, namely the Hinckwells and the Shadeaux. As well as the Guild of Invision, which supply and train a major amount of alchemists and by extension potions, and perhaps more importantly tonics for who knows how many people.

I think Lind's flaw in logic is that he believes he doesn't want it, but he's vying for power, so surely that makes him feel like he is the best candidate, making him want it, even if not for personal gain. That's kind of much, as that implies every other candidate wants to rule because of some egotistical gain, which I don't think is true.

I think most candidates supplied by the houses, as well as Boomingham and Guts, just think that they would be able to do the best job in making Eubric a better place for everybody. I can't speak for the other candidates, but Guts understands that principle completely. He doesn't want to be king out of vanity, lust for power or greed, but he sees Eubric, and he sees a mess of a city, but through his encounters with Eubric's citizens, he also sees so much potential.

Guts knows that some force is needed to move the people to reaching just some of that potential. Now, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Guts would be the first to attest that, and that's why Guts is the perfect candidate. He's most likely going to be dead in a few years and cares very little about legacy. He can do what needs to be done for a time, and when the city is on it's way to recovery, or even evolves on it's way to being more than it was, the next person or group of people can take over.

[Endgame]

Guts knows that some force is needed to move the people to reaching just some of that potential. Now, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Guts would be the first to attest that, and that's why Guts is the perfect candidate. He's most likely going to be dead in a few years and cares very little about legacy. He can do what needs to be done for a time, and when the city is on it's way to recovery, or even evolves on it's way to being more than it was, the next person or group of people can take over.

Elect Sorrow then, he's got 6 months.

[Zepher]

Boomingham is in it for the fame, cash, and ladies.

[Scubacarrot]

I just don't think he has the wow-factor. I mean, his face has been a trans-light-blue clear head for the longest time. I just don't think that resonates with the people.

Boomingham is in it for the fame, cash, and ladies.

"Vote Boomingham, at least he's honest."

[Palathadric]

As a player, I am drawn to the idea of Guts becoming king. It really just has seemed like his destiny since the beginning.

As a PC, though, Pretzel hardly knows Guts and Guts would certainly not be one of the first he would give his support too.

I just don't think he has the wow-factor. I mean, his face has been a trans-light-blue clear head for the longest time. I just don't think that resonates with the people.

[Scubacarrot]

What...!? Guts and Pretzel have talked before... I think...

[Endgame]

I just don't think he has the wow-factor. I mean, his face has been a trans-light-blue clear head for the longest time. I just don't think that resonates with the people.

See, though, that means you can project your own ideas and expressions onto it, meaning that I am essentially a candidate that everyone wants. It's a bit like Link from TLoZ, except Sorrow has a political agenda beyond saving Zelda and killing a pig-thief's 67956104th reincarnation.

[Emjajoas]

Boomingham is in it for the fame, cash, and ladies.

Long live the king.

[Lind Whisperer]

I think Lind's flaw in logic is that he believes he doesn't want it, but he's vying for power, so surely that makes him feel like he is the best candidate, making him want it, even if not for personal gain. That's kind of much, as that implies every other candidate wants to rule because of some egotistical gain, which I don't think is true.

Exactly.

I think most candidates supplied by the houses, as well as Boomingham and Guts, just think that they would be able to do the best job in making Eubric a better place for everybody. I can't speak for the other candidates, but Guts understands that principle completely. He doesn't want to be king out of vanity, lust for power or greed, but he sees Eubric, and he sees a mess of a city, but through his encounters with Eubric's citizens, he also sees so much potential.

Guts knows that some force is needed to move the people to reaching just some of that potential. Now, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Guts would be the first to attest that, and that's why Guts is the perfect candidate. He's most likely going to be dead in a few years and cares very little about legacy. He can do what needs to be done for a time, and when the city is on it's way to recovery, or even evolves on it's way to being more than it was, the next person or group of people can take over.

But the problem with that, is that those are Gut's "plans". They're fluid. He doesn't know what's going to happen in the next few years. What if he gets properly married, and has a kid like Karie did? He's going to suddenly start caring about legacy. And supposing that doesn't happen, what happens in the case that he does die? Eubric is in such a state that a few years aren't going to do enough difference to get the city onto a stable track - it's just going to fall apart again, or there's going to be another power vacuum to be filled - probably both.

Guts has good intentions, yes, but so have hundreds of people before him. Good intentions aren't going to be enough to change this city. People need to take a step back, and logically think about how we can change this city. Just voting in a leader that "doesn't really care about legacy" isn't going to be enough to do that.

I will, however cede to my opponent that he raises good points in that strength is needed to strengthen this city - but not force. To stabilize this city, we need the strength of a people united towards making this a better city. Any other way will collapse around us.

Let's place a vote for working together.

[Endgame]

Exactly.

But the problem with that, is that those are Gut's "plans". They're fluid. He doesn't know what's going to happen in the next few years. What if he gets properly married, and has a kid like Karie did? He's going to suddenly start caring about legacy. And supposing that doesn't happen, what happens in the case that he does die? Eubric is in such a state that a few years aren't going to do enough difference to get the city onto a stable track - it's just going to fall apart again, or there's going to be another power vacuum to be filled - probably both.

Guts has good intentions, yes, but so have hundreds of people before him. Good intentions aren't going to be enough to change this city. People need to take a step back, and logically think about how we can change this city. Just voting in a leader that "doesn't really care about legacy" isn't going to be enough to do that.

I will, however cede to my opponent that he raises good points in that strength is needed to strengthen this city - but not force. To stabilize this city, we need the strength of a people united towards making this a better city. Any other way will collapse around us.

Let's place a vote for working together.

Everyone knows Guts and Masson are the same person anyway. I mean, have you ever seen them at the same time in a room? No? That's what I thought.

Out of curiosity, how does Lind know the future? I thought the dodekube knew recorded history, but not the future.

[The Chosen Minifigure]

Good leaders aren't cocky. They may not be perfect. They know that they aren't infallible.

Err... not to rain on your parade, but Lind sure as hell isn't 'not cocky'.

[Lind Whisperer]

Everyone knows Guts and Masson are the same person anyway. I mean, have you ever seen them at the same time in a room? No? That's what I thought.

Out of curiosity, how does Lind know the future? I thought the dodekube knew recorded history, but not the future.

Lind doesn't know the future, he's/I'm just predicting/making his best assumption as to what will likely happen. Edited September 18, 2015 by Lind Whisperer

[Pyrovisionary]

No point in getting into ideological discussions about the future and legacy and leadership. What is needed is a government for our fave fictional city. Simple as that. Doesn't have to be a good government but there needs to be an organisation to make and enforce laws, regulate markets, start a public sector, welfare etc.

[KotZ]

No point in getting into ideological discussions about the future and legacy and leadership. What is needed is a government for our fave fictional city. Simple as that. Doesn't have to be a good government but there needs to be an organisation to make and enforce laws, regulate markets, start a public sector, welfare etc.

Isn't that basically the Veterans though. I understand they mainly serve Heroica but there's no reason the Veterans can't do that.

[Scubacarrot]

What...!? Guts and Pretzel have talked before... I think...

Actually, they've quested together before. Their freaking souls were linked together for the best part of that quest. If that doesn't help, I don't know what will.

Everyone knows Guts and Masson are the same person anyway. I mean, have you ever seen them at the same time in a room? No? That's what I thought.

If someone can make a compilation of every character in the game that has used generic police officer face #1, that would be great. I mean, we all know there is one big conspiracy going on, we just don't have the big picture yet.

[Pyrovisionary]

Isn't that basically the Veterans though. I understand they mainly serve Heroica but there's no reason the Veterans can't do that.

The city's defacto rulers are the ones with the most to gain from war, what sort of conflict of interest is that

What the city's loose system is based around is free-market capitalism with individual firms providing their services (Some for free, i.e Sisters of Danab healing). Any public services are funded by private individuals primarily in their own interests. I'm not aware of any market regulation or tax system, nor public spending on infrastructure by the Dragonlord.

[Lind Whisperer]

From the #135 ending, I thought Pretzel was allying Wolfgang?

If someone can make a compilation of every character in the game that has used generic police officer face #1, that would be great. I mean, we all know there is one big conspiracy going on, we just don't have the big picture yet.

Leave #122-era Lind out of that compilation, that was an Lex Luthor head colored yellow in LDraw.

[Flipz]

What if he gets properly married, and has a kid like Karie did?

If Guts has a kid the way Karie did, it would be a completely unexpected yet fantastically interesting revelation about him.

[Scubacarrot]

Capitalism is an economic system, not a political one. Eubric, as a freeport, is by definition capitalistic, and without market regulation or a tax system, and Guts believes it should stay this way. It allows Eubric to remain as competitive as it can be, while still bringing wealth to Eubric through trickle-down economic structures.

[Lind Whisperer]

No point in getting into ideological discussions about the future and legacy and leadership. What is needed is a government for our fave fictional city. Simple as that. Doesn't have to be a good government but there needs to be an organisation to make and enforce laws, regulate markets, start a public sector, welfare etc.

That's a good point...Hmm...A King's Cabinet, to help get that sort of thing put together.

I like it...

[Kintobor]

And this is why Karie wants nothing to do with the Sungold Alliance or the Crescent Union.

[Lind Whisperer]

Capitalism is an economic system, not a political one. Eubric, as a freeport, is by definition capitalistic, and without market regulation or a tax system, and Guts believes it should stay this way. It allows Eubric to remain as competitive as it can be, while still bringing wealth to Eubric through trickle-down economic structures.

And Guts would be the first nomination to that Cabinet, as Minster of Finance.

(Although we'd quarrel over that tax bit. How can you fund a government without any taxes? )

[CMP]

And this is why Karie wants nothing to do with the Sungold Alliance or the Crescent Union.

Atramor will probably be voting Jun leader. Here's hoping Umbra doesn't recognize him.

Edited September 18, 2015 by CallMePie

[Scubacarrot]

If Guts has a kid the way Karie did, it would be a completely unexpected yet fantastically interesting revelation about him.

"You thought I was a forty something bald man the entire time..."

"Acting."

(Although we'd quarrel over that tax bit. How can you fund a government without any taxes? )

Duh, Heroica funds it. That cut the veterans supposedly get from every quest can't all be being spend on alcohol. Can it...?

[Endgame]

Duh, Heroica funds it. That cut the veterans supposedly get from every quest can't all be being spend on alcohol. Can it...?

You're thinking about it backwards. The money that is secretly deducted from every hero;s horrible drinking habits goes to the city taxes.

Also, yes, there is totally a conspiracy with the grumpy policeman face. I know I've contributed 3 characters to it: The entire Cour family, pretty much. Royce's face was never shown, but he has the same face as Masson and Gabriel. And speaking of them...

Which grumpy faced man is that?

Edited September 18, 2015 by Endgame