Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Kadabra]

I feel dumb. I thought we didn't have any Mages wielding elemental weapons, and there was one right in my own Quest the whole time!

I'll go ahead and treat it that way, then.

First the Scroll, then my Staff...I feel so ignored

[JimBee]

Have we ever had a Mage wield a weapon imbued with a gem before? I don't remember.

I guess it would make more sense to say that the staff can deal ranged Ice Elemental Damage in the form of Spells, and deal melee Wood Elemental Damage in the form of whacking enemies with the staff. (and thus not costing Ether) Or that it does melee Wood Elemental Damage and ranged Wood or Wood+Ice Elemental Damage.

Unless it's made to be a special property of this staff, I think it's limited to melee damage, but the WP would still be relevant for Ice spells, the way Arasmyth's Wind-elemental staff still increases the strength of his Lightning spells.

Wait, it does? I thought only the WP would've affected the spell, but the elements do, too? I would think not, since you're technically not attacking with your weapon, and with a spell only. Because then type-match up paradoxes could occur, such as the wood staff with an ice spell on plants and vermin. Would they cancel to do normal elemental damage? Same with Arasmyth and his wind staff with lightning spells on machine-types. And what happens when there are creatures with more than one type?

Gah, so confusing. Though it is a creative way for mages to have a different way of attacking. I'm interested in what Sandy has to say on it.

[Kadabra]

The way I see it is: A weapon's elemental properties only come into play when attacking with the weapon and not with spells. You can't use the gem imbued in the weapon for spells. So spell elements and weapon elements don't stack. Although, the FAQ in the first post explains that a dual-element weapon would stack, so a Wind/Ice spell on a Vermin would deal 4x damage and a Wind/Lightning spell on a Machine would deal normal damage.

[Flipz]

Wait, it does? I thought only the WP would've affected the spell, but the elements do, too? I would think not, since you're technically not attacking with your weapon, and with a spell only. Because then type-match up paradoxes could occur, such as the wood staff with an ice spell on plants and vermin. Would they cancel to do normal elemental damage? Same with Arasmyth and his wind staff with lightning spells on machine-types. And what happens when there are creatures with more than one type?

Gah, so confusing. Though it is a creative way for mages to have a different way of attacking. I'm interested in what Sandy has to say on it.

no, what I'm saying is, the WP of an elemental-imbued staff will still increase the power of a spell, even if the staff is imbued with an element other than that of the spell. You're right, that was a confusing way of putting it, sorry.

[JimBee]

no, what I'm saying is, the WP of an elemental-imbued staff will still increase the power of a spell, even if the staff is imbued with an element other than that of the spell. You're right, that was a confusing way of putting it, sorry.

Why is that, though? Having an element in a weapon does not increase the power of a strike, except for elemental advantages.

[Brickdoctor]

Why is that, though? Having an element in a weapon does not increase the power of a strike, except for elemental advantages.

I think he means the WP of the elemental weapon can still be applied to another element of which the user owns the gem, and the elemental powers of the weapon itself are not necessarily applied. (i.e., Arthur can do 11 Ice Elemental Damage at Level 6 using his WP: 5 staff and Opal, even though the staff is Wood Elemental)

[Flipz]

I think he means the WP of the elemental weapon can still be applied to another element of which the user owns the gem, and the elemental powers of the weapon itself are not necessarily applied. (i.e., Arthur can do 11 Ice Elemental Damage at Level 6 using his WP: 5 staff and Opal, even though the staff is Wood Elemental)

Yes, thank you for clearing that up. (I really need to learn how to be clearer, a mistake like that would get me lynched in mafia... )

[Bricksandparts]

So, this next wave is the final wave in quest 17? I still need 3 battles...

[K-Nut]

I feel dumb. I thought we didn't have any Mages wielding elemental weapons, and there was one right in my own Quest the whole time!

I also had a diamond imbued dagger, but nobody remembers that.

[Sandy]

I don't know if I've understood completely what Flipz means, but the element of a weapon does not affect spells. The imbued element only comes to play when attacking with the weapon. The elemental stacking rule is for situations where a weapon has been imbued with several gems.

In summary, elemental attacks and spells are two different things. Hope this clears the issue up.

[Bricksandparts]

So if I'm a battle mage and roll a shield (fighting in front row), I attack with my meteor blade and aquamarine gem to an undead, fiery monster, how much damage do I deal?

8x2=16 16x2=32

32+15=47 47x2=97 damage! that's a lot of damage.

[Scubacarrot]

I don't think thats right... You are assuming you are level 15, your WP is 8, and the gem is extra effective, correct?

WP = 8 x 2 = 16. + level 15 =31 + same elemental damage= 31, double that for being extra effective, and you get 31 + 62 = 93 damage. Still a lot ;)

[Bricksandparts]

I don't think thats right... You are assuming you are level 15, your WP is 8, and the gem is extra effective, correct?

WP = 8 x 2 = 16. + level 15 =31 + same elemental damage= 31, double that for being extra effective, and you get 31 + 62 = 93 damage. Still a lot ;)

Hmm?

Ok, first regular damage, then if it's elemental it is doubled.

8x2=16 16+15=31 31x2=62 then 62+62=124. I think both of us were wrong. I think it'd be 124 damage!

[Scubacarrot]

Oh, I did not see the your weapon is Light elemental. In that case, you would be right :)

Edited March 18, 2012 by Scubacarrot

[Flipz]

No, here's what happened:

in Quest 17, Doc said that I'd have to use the WP of my serpentine staff (WP:3) if I wanted to use my Ice magic, because my new staff is wood-elemental. I was pointing out that according to the rules I CAN use the WP of my wood-elemental staff (WP:5) for ice magic, even though the staff and the magic are of two different Elements. The magic would still be ice elemental (not wood elemental), but the damage would be calculated using WP:5 instead of WP: 3.

Hopefully that clears up what we were talking about.

EDIT: Dear god, if Alexis were to make it onto Quest 17 the roleplaying would be epic. The battle would be a bloodbath, but the roleplaying would be so awesome.

Edited March 18, 2012 by Flipz

[Scubacarrot]

We were talking about the mechanics of the Battle Mage, something else entirely .

[CMP]

We were talking about the mechanics of the Battle Mage, something else entirely .

Wrong conversation.

[Scubacarrot]

Wrong conversation.

I'm confused now

[Scorpiox]

EDIT: Dear god, if Alexis were to make it onto Quest 17 the roleplaying would be epic. The battle would be a bloodbath, but the roleplaying would be so awesome.

What's wrong with Haldor?

[Brickdoctor]

What's wrong with Haldor?

He's not an elf with a boyfriend already on the Quest.

[K-Nut]

He's not an elf with a boyfriend already on the Quest.

Let's hope not!

Edited March 18, 2012 by K-nut

[Scorpiox]

He's not an elf with a boyfriend already on the Quest.

Racist!

What is so bad about Norsemen? Even Khorne said that they aren't smelly!

Let's hope not!

"Benji Althior, did you hear? I'm a Bwobwic Norse Elf!"

[CMP]

Let's hope not!

Who's to say where Elven Engineer B's been?

[Capt.JohnPaul]

"Benji Althior, did you hear? I'm a Bwobwic Norse Elf!"

Hopefully that's not a reply to: "He's not an elf with a boyfriend already on the Quest."

Some might not get the above.

[Scorpiox]

"Regardless, I have a gut feeling that we should save this plan for the final wave, when we will not have to worry about whether or not it will work a second time and when knowing the stats of our foe will be most valuable."

Hey! That's copyright Tammo! .

And now the Lion Knights are doomed, one of them said the cursed words 'Onwards! Victory is at hand!'. Thay are all going to die painfully now. Next round one of them will say 'I don't like it, it's too quiet!' or 'Don't worry, we are all perfectly safe.' Then something terrible will happen.