Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Waterbrick Down]

Thanks for the prompt replies.

So, in answer to the first question, you can hit enemies, but unless they're undead, it will heal them.

All up, it's not an essential item for a cleric..

Correct you can still hit them but only if they are undead will you hurt them. It's more suited for mages, but having a ether free healing item can come in handy for both mages and clerics.

[Scubacarrot]

I want new players, these ones are too lucky !

[Brickdoctor]

I want new players, these ones are too lucky !

Are you using a random number generator instead of a physical die? I find that the likelihood of the site being hacked by one of your players while you use it rises based entirely on how much work you put into naming the enemies, balancing the enemies, and editing the photos of the enemies.

[Scubacarrot]

Are you using a random number generator instead of a physical die? I find that the likelihood of the site being hacked by one of your players while you use it rises based entirely on how much work you put into naming the enemies, balancing the enemies, and editing the photos of the enemies.

I'm using random.org, yeah. It's a conspiracy. Look at that last round, if it had fully played, there would have been three shields in a row...

[Flipz]

I want new players, these ones are too lucky !

Someone needs to sig this, or put it in the first post of the QM's lounge, or something. Maybe we need a topic for epic Heroica quotes or something.

[Waterbrick Down]

So I'm curious as to the summoning book, Scuba. Is it possible to obtain different summons? Does it require ether to summon or maintain a summon? If you upgrade the book does it increase the level of the summon? Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome item and I'm punching myself for not signing up for the quest earlier but there's always the next one.

Edited March 29, 2012 by Waterbrick Down

[Scubacarrot]

As I thought of it, it works like this: After every roll, another dice is rolled to see if the creature is summoned. I said it is a spider, but if Pandora wants to change into something else for RP purposes, I don't really mind. The summon lasts for the rest of the battle, and upgrading the book does not upgrade the summon. Ether does not come into play. Hope this helps.

[Waterbrick Down]

As I thought of it, it works like this: After every roll, another dice is rolled to see if the creature is summoned. I said it is a spider, but if Pandora wants to change into something else for RP purposes, I don't really mind. The summon lasts for the rest of the battle, and upgrading the book does not upgrade the summon. Ether does not come into play. Hope this helps.

I think it's a pretty cool idea, reminiscent of the evoker but with its own flair.

Edited March 30, 2012 by Waterbrick Down

[Sandy]

Book of a Thousand Creatures - This book is quite heavy, the party figures that with some practice, it can be used as an effective melee weapon, WP:12 each roll has a 1/6 chance to summon a creature to come at the aid of the hero, suitable for clerics and mages.

Summoned Spider

Level 5 Minion

Health: 25/25

Critical hit = 2x level, Shield roll = 2x level, plus poison effect.

I wish you would've negotiated with me before putting an item like this into play, as it adds a completely new mechanic to this game. Before you create this type of items for this game, you need to consider what effects it has not only in your quest but beyond that as well. You also need to make sure the player who gets it knows how it works, even in the more unlikely scenarios.

To put it frankly, this is a balance-breaking item. Apparently the amount of spiders is unlimited and one can potentially be summoned every round if the odds are on their side. And you also said the owner could change the summoned creature at whim? Does that include it's abilities and power as well? And since it's limited to clerics and mages, the summoning should at least consume ether.

Unless you somehow rebalance it, I'm afraid I can't let Pandora keep the item beyond your quest.

[Scubacarrot]

As I thought of it, there can only be one spider out, at any given time, and no, the stats will not change. The only reason I said that was I don't mind changing it to example a scorpion. I don't think it is balance breaking. Because there is 1/6 chance to even summon it, and while it is out, another can not be summoned.

[Sandy]

As I thought of it, there can only be one spider out, at any given time, and no, the stats will not change. The only reason I said that was I don't mind changing it to example a scorpion. I don't think it is balance breaking. Because there is 1/6 chance to even summon it, and while it is out, another can not be summoned.

Then why doesn't the description say that?

You can't just assume the players know how the thing works. Players are devious creatures, they will try to abuse your creation whichever way they can, always seeking pig holes to squirm through, trust me.

...Oops, this was on a public discussion?

[Scubacarrot]

Adding an ether cost is something I can definitely do, how about 5 ether to summon it?

[Jebediahs]

Is quest 20 due to end soon? What's the hold up?

[UsernameMDM]

Is quest 20 due to end soon? What's the hold up?

No computer with internet at work. It should be wrapped up this afternoon.

[Sandy]

Adding an ether cost is something I can definitely do, how about 5 ether to summon it?

I think that's a bit much, but on the other hand it's the player's choice whether to use the item or not. And if you make it so that the ether is only consumed by a successful summoning, it might work. You don't want to nerf the item too much so that it becomes useless, anyway.

Damn your complex item for making my brain hurt!

[Scubacarrot]

I think that's a bit much, but on the other hand it's the player's choice whether to use the item or not. And if you make it so that the ether is only consumed by a successful summoning, it might work. You don't want to nerf the item too much so that it becomes useless, anyway.

Damn your complex item for making my brain hurt!

I decided that it will cost 3 ether if the spider is summoned. This should keep it nice and balanced.

[Pandora]

I decided that it will cost 3 ether if the spider is summoned. This should keep it nice and balanced.

I actually think that's still too much.

I know I'm completely biased, as I am now the proud owner of said item, but three Ether is a lot.

Especially if you are a Mage, whose bread and butter combat is Ether based. We consume (and thus have to replace) more Ether than the other classes, and that comes with an inherent cost in replacing it. Add to that the fact that we really need more than one gem (and a decent weapon like the other classes) to be in any way combat-effective, and it begins to appear unfair.

While it's really nice to have a combat pet, spending 3 Ether (actually, to my mind, any Ether) makes it far less attractive to use when I could be spending that Ether on spells, or even end up consuming it unintentionally with a counter-attack.

I don't wish to sound petulant, but I do think these are fair points, and I don't think players should be penalised for being lucky.

[Scubacarrot]

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Hmm, Ok, here is my view of the thing. When I designed it in it's first stage, I tried to make it balanced. Sandy said it was not, so I nerfed it, by adding the ether cost. From my point of view? The 1/6 chance is small enough for me to not have it warrant an ether cost, but this is what Sandy requested.

I tried to give the weapon a fun effect, and I feel both the chance, and the fact that the creature is not actually that powerful, make it so that it was balanced enough. But for the third time, Sandy said it was not.

So yeah, if it were up to me, I would have it as it was originally, but unless I hear otherwise, that is what you are stuck with.

[swils]

Hmm, Ok, here is my view of the thing. When I designed it in it's first stage, I tried to make it balanced. Sandy said it was not, so I nerfed it, by adding the ether cost. From my point of view? The 1/6 chance is small enough for me to not have it warrant an ether cost, but this is what Sandy requested.

I tried to give the weapon a fun effect, and I feel both the chance, and the fact that the creature is not actually that powerful, make it so that it was balanced enough. But for the third time, Sandy said it was not.

So yeah, if it were up to me, I would have it as it was originally, but unless I hear otherwise, that is what you are stuck with.

I believe Sandy's main objection to the effect was that, in the description, you didn't state that it was limited to a single summon per battle and so, with lucky enough rolls, the owner of the book could raise an army in a few turns (or at least, could make the argument that they should be allowed to, because it didn't state that they couldn't).

[Zepher]

Sorry DarkDragon, your quest looks awesome, but WBD's fits in better with my schedule, and I've really wanted to have him as a QM for a while. Though I'm incredibly envious of your rewards.

ALSO: Heads up to heroes... or rather, players. Sign-ups for the next Wren quest will be up about a week from now... maybe a tiny bit more.

Just to wet your appetite, here are some of the features:

• Wren, Hans, Felton, Vipera, and Poletad return, along with someone else from Quest 7. A few characters from previous non-Wren quests may making a guest appearance.
  
• Hopefully (fingers crossed) my best planned battles so far. Almost every battle has a twist to it, so those who liked the outrageously tough battles of Quest 19 OR the puzzles of Quest 7 will both be pleased. Logic and brawn will both be important.
  
• A beautiful non-Uland/High Kingdom setting, thus far unexplored by the heroes of Heroica.
  
• Finally not all humanoid opponents.
  
• ...and I'll save the best part to still be a surprise.
  

Edited March 30, 2012 by Zepher

[Scorpiox]

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Sounds really cool, I like the return of Wren and co.

I would sign up when it comes, but I'm really hoping to get chosen by WBD, shame they're are on at a similar time.

[Zepher]

I'm really hoping to get on WBD's too. It's a-okay to take a break from Wren Quests, there will be more!

The final one... I'm still trying to think up ways to incorporate as many heroes as possible. That's the only one I think there might be a clamor for.

[Scorpiox]

I'm really hoping to get on WBD's too. It's a-okay to take a break from Wren Quests, there will be more!

The final one... I'm still trying to think up ways to incorporate as many heroes as possible. That's the only one I think there might be a clamor for.

Thanks, I'll be sure to sign up to the climax. I just love the chaotic nature of Wren, she's an extreme of anarchy.

[Darkdragon]

Sorry DarkDragon, your quest looks awesome, but WBD's fits in better with my schedule, and I've really wanted to have him as a QM for a while. Though I'm incredibly envious of your rewards.

No worries, I'm not the one who may regret it

[Flipz]

Sounds really cool, I like the return of Wren and co.

I would sign up when it comes, but I'm really hoping to get chosen by WBD, shame they're are on at a similar time.

I really hope the same does not happen with Loren Hinckwell and Nuitan Shadeaux, I MUST go on their Quest and I MUST go on a Wren Quest (and I must have a chance to go back and see her again at a later point, so I have to go oon this one). And I've got to get back, cash in hand, in time to sign up for this and buy stuff from Elphaba...Doc! Get the battle going already!