Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Bricksandparts]

That would be so great. It'd be awesome if you could come up with an idea for another use for bedrolls, too.

Speaking of which, you could use some bedrolls to make a trap...

I also have a question for Sandy. Because Olinn was banned, I let the party divide his items. Should I just let the party split his items from the previous battle, or could they keep his items?

[K-Nut]

That would be so great. It'd be awesome if you could come up with an idea for another use for bedrolls, too.

Wool Coat (SP: 4 but makes the wearer burn in temperatures above 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Use with caution.)

[Bricksandparts]

Wool Coat (SP: 4 but makes the wearer burn in temperatures above 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Use with caution.)

Hmm... I'll see what I could do if Tamamono decides to try to make something like that...

[Capt.JohnPaul]

Regular attacks don't damage the undead. It must be a light elemental attack or healing to damage them.

Huh? Regular elemental attacks cause normal damage, it's the light attacks that do double. Let me go check the rules more in depth.

[Tanma]

Regular attacks don't damage the undead. It must be a light elemental attack or healing to damage them.

I think that is false. While normal attacks don't affect them, any elemental attack will do damage, even if from a weapon. Light attacks do much more damage, but any gem can harm the undead. The rules do state that undead creatures are immune to normal attacks but healing hurts them, however there is no rule that I found that states that elements other than light are useless against the undead.And tThe only mention of undead in the gem effects is that diamonds are super effective, if other gems were useless undead would be listed in every "doesn't affect" section aside from Diamond.

Edit: and its already commented on.

Edited April 9, 2012 by Tanma

[K-Nut]

Huh? Regular elemental attacks cause normal damage, it's the light attacks that do double. Let me go check the rules more in depth.

You're right. There was this debacle in Quest #5 I believe.

[Capt.JohnPaul]

I think that is false. While normal attacks don't affect them, any elemental attack will do damage, even if from a weapon. Light attacks do much more damage, but any gem can harm the undead. The rules do state that undead creatures are immune to normal attacks but healing hurts them, however there is no rule that I found that states that elements other than light are useless against the undead.

I agree. Look under the Elements section, light is effective against the undead, but no element is ineffective against the undead.

[Etzel]

Regular attacks don't damage the undead. It must be a light elemental attack or healing to damage them.

Any elemental attack (including gem-infused weapons, bombs and spells) can damage the undead, not just Light (which however is extra effective) and healing.

So mate, you are hypothesising about that a banned QM or user in general would be funny but now you don't know why? How would you like to go into the chamber and see how funny it is?

[Siegfried]

How would you like to go into the chamber and see how funny it is?

How about you? Don't make threats like that. It's no fun and it's not your business.

[Fred Daniel Yam]

How about you? Don't make threats like that. It's no fun and it's not your business.

Yes sir, sorry sir. Won’t ever happen again.

[K-Nut]

As I posted in the Quest #17 topic, I'll be gone most if not all day tomorrow, so no arena updates from me.

[Bricksandparts]

Any elemental attack (including gem-infused weapons, bombs and spells) can damage the undead, not just Light (which however is extra effective) and healing.

Actually I'm, right.

[CMP]

Battles:

Q: How can I damage undead enemies?

A: Undead enemies are immune to normal, non-elemental attacks. However, they can be damaged by all elemental spells and items as well as healing, including potions. Light-elemental damage is especially effective against them, causing double damage.

[Brickdoctor]

Actually I'm, right.

[snip]

Nowhere does that mention that only Light Elemental Attacks will do Damage to Undead enemies. It says that "they are not affected by normal attacks".

[K-Nut]

Actually I'm, right.

Nope. It never clearly says it, but during Quest #5 Sandy said only Healing and Elemental attacks dealt damage to Undead.

EDIT: Doc beat me to it again!

Edited April 10, 2012 by K-nut

[Bricksandparts]

Is CMP's and my example enough proof to you guys? Undead are special.

[CMP]

Is CMP's and my example enough proof to you guys? Undead are special.

I just proved you wrong. All elemental attacks work against undead.

[K-Nut]

Is CMP's and my example enough proof to you guys? Undead are special.

Yeah, but CMP's quote say they're vulnerable to elemental attacks.

[Brickdoctor]

Uh, Pie's example goes against what you're saying.

Battles:

Q: How can I damage undead enemies?

A: Undead enemies are immune to normal, non-elemental attacks. However, they can be damaged by all elemental spells and items as well as healing, including potions. Light-elemental damage is especially effective against them, causing double damage.

[Tanma]

Actually I'm, right.

I looked at that too, and it proves our point. Normal attacks refer to attacks without elemental powers, not elementals other than Light. Would you say a sword that creates fire is "normal?" Maybe it is less unusual in a world of magic, but it isn't normal. It has been observed in other quests that all elements hurt the undead, the only useless attackls are normal attacks.

Again, check the gem list not three pages above that page, if all attacks were powerless against the undead it would be mentioned in their "doesn't affect" sections. There is no spot for normal attacks since they have no gem and they affect all but one type of creature the same way, thus it is mentioned in the creature section.

Also, Light would be quite overpowered if it was the only gem that can affect the undead.

Edit: ...and again others are faster than me

Edited April 10, 2012 by Tanma

[Bricksandparts]

Regular attacks don't damage the undead. It must be a light elemental attack or healing to damage them.

Read my post, I never said only light elemental damage was the only thing that could do damage, I said light and healing could. So I've been right about something that others said I was wrong 3 times today! K-nut said that the super gem was previewed in quest 15 after I said 14, I was right. People were telling me I was wrong, I was right, and then people said I said something I didn't, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone said what I'm saying is wrong, which it isn't.

[K-Nut]

Read my post, I never said only light elemental damage was the only thing that could do damage, I said light and healing could.

Oops. The must totally mislead me.

[Endgame]

Thanks for the picture, Endgame, now I can finally add your character to the Gallery.

Gah, sorry for not responding earlier. Easter and candy thieves (otherwise known as family ) Have been occupying my time. Thanks for adding me!

I just realized something that may be of concern, though - my character is undead. The only way I think I can retcon it is to say that the necromancer that brought me back "infused me with some real life". It's better than getting fried when a cleric heals me, though!

[Bricksandparts]

ARGHGHGHHHHHHH!!! I'm so confused at what you're saying! Ok, I see your point, but what was Sandy arguing about with the problem with Capt. whats his name's battle? Everything here is contradictory! I misread CMP's post. I don't understand what Sandy was arguing about then. So whatever.

Ok, lets start at the beginning.

[Brickdoctor]

Read my post, I never said only light elemental damage was the only thing that could do damage, I said light and healing could. So I've been right about something that others said I was wrong 3 times today! K-nut said that the super gem was previewed in quest 15 after I said 14, I was right. People were telling me I was wrong, I was right, and then people said I said something I didn't, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone said what I'm saying is wrong, which it isn't.

You said, (emboldened by myself for emphasis)

Regular attacks don't damage the undead. It must be a light elemental attack or healing to damage them.

You specifically said "must be a light elemental attack or healing". Other elements which do Damage the Undead, as shown in Pie's quote, are neither Light Elemental nor healing.

Also, Etzel said,

Any elemental attack (including gem-infused weapons, bombs and spells) can damage the undead, not just Light (which however is extra effective) and healing.

And you replied to that saying that you were, in fact, correct, by which you say that Etzel was wrong. (and as proven by Pie's quote, Etzel is 100% correct)