Heroica RPG General Discussion

[K-Nut]

"Light requires the utmost inner peace, and spiritual cleanliness."

Aww, does that mean Althior isn't a master of light yet? And I see someone is taking my lead in the master/apprentice thing.

[Kadabra]

Aww, does that mean Althior isn't a master of light yet? And I see someone is taking my lead in the master/apprentice thing.

He asked to be my apprentice, it's not my fault I'm copying you. :P

[TheBoyWonder]

Drake did not save Sorrow. It was Leo Aragon.

[Endgame]

Drake did not save Sorrow. It was Leo Aragon.

Where did it say otherwise?

[TheBoyWonder]

"HEY!!!!!!! I bothered to figure out the solution to this puzzle. I bothered to save Sorrow's life back when the heart attack incident happened. I bothered to do everything!"

"Oooohhhhh.....interesting...."

There you go.

[RPGer]

I say you let Althior have the gem and make him sell his collection of the others. We need more Amethysts, the way the Dastan Quests are going.

Yes!!!

Then I want that Ruby!

[Flipz]

Why are rubies so desired here? I really don't understand. Yes, in a medieval world, fire is much more powerful than it is in the modern day, but for most of our roleplaying purposes torches will suffice. That means the draw must be game-mechanical, but even then I can't really see the appeal over Topaz or, more specifically, Opal. The only thing that Ruby hits that Opal cannot is icy monsters, and unless a QM is REALLY creative you'll be able to see Icy monsters coming a mile a way and choose not to go on that Quest until you have a suitable weapon. In addition, Fire has two weaknesses to Opal's one--granted, both are covered by a single supplementary gem (aquamarine), but even so, Garnet can hit Icy, Electric, and Firey monsters for double damage, synergizing beautifully with Opal and Topaz in fewer gems.

To put it another way, let me create a chart illustrating the overall strengths and weaknesses of a Mage using Opal-Topaz-Garnet versus one using Ruby-Aquamarine-Topaz:

Opal-Topaz-Garnet

Super-Effective Against (9): Beasts, Plants, Vermin, Aquatic, Flying, Mechanic, Fiery, Icy, Electric

Weaknesses (1): Icy (covered by Garnet), Electric (covered by Garnet), Flying (Covered by Topaz), Rock

Ruby-Aquamarine-Topaz

Super-effective against (8): Beasts, Icy, Plants, Fiery, Rock, Aquatic, Flying, Mechanic

Weaknesses (1): Fiery (covered by Aquamarine), Rock (covered by Aquamarine), Aquatic (Covered by Topaz), Electric

So as you can see, Opal-Topaz-Garnet has an additional Super-Effective opportunity for the same number of uncovered weaknesses than Ruby-Aquamarine-Topaz.

If, however, the also unexplainably-popular Emerald is switched into the latter trio to cover the Aquamarine's Aquatic weakness instead of Topaz, we get:

Ruby-Aquamarine-Emerald

Super-effective against (6): Beasts, Icy, Plants, Fiery, Rock, Aquatic,

Weaknesses (1): Fiery (covered by Aquamarine), Rock (covered by Aquamarine), Aquatic (Covered by Emerald), Plants (covered by Ruby), Vermin

That's only 6 SE's this time, and the weakness is a big one: Vermin (rats) are common, so that's not a good thing. We don't want to cover Vermin by adding Opal, as that would be rather redundant with Ruby, so let's try adding Sapphire:

Ruby-Aquamarine-Emerald-Sapphire

Super-effective against (8): Beasts, Icy, Plants, Fiery, Rock, Aquatic, Flying, Vermin

Weaknesses (1): Fiery (covered by Aquamarine), Rock (covered by Aquamarine), Aquatic (Covered by Emerald), Plants (covered by Ruby), Vermin (covered by Sapphire), Mechanical

So now, for FOUR gems (instead of three), we still only have 8 SE hits, and we have a weakness against the second- or third-most common type in the game (Mechanical). Not exactly stellar.

Now, for roleplaying purposes, or when imbued into weapons (as that follows slightly different strength/weakness rules than I used here), these elemental combos are quite potent. However, for a Mage, mechanically, Ruby and Emerald are both overshadowed by other gems that offer superior type coverage with less overlap.

[Darkdragon]

Flipz, do you ever consider you might be over-analizing something that is suppose to be a fun game to play on a forum?

[Tanma]

Why are rubies so desired here? I really don't understand. Yes, in a medieval world, fire is much more powerful than it is in the modern day, but for most of our roleplaying purposes torches will suffice. That means the draw must be game-mechanical, but even then I can't really see the appeal over Topaz or, more specifically, Opal. The only thing that Ruby hits that Opal cannot is icy monsters, and unless a QM is REALLY creative you'll be able to see Icy monsters coming a mile a way and choose not to go on that Quest until you have a suitable weapon. In addition, Fire has two weaknesses to Opal's one--granted, both are covered by a single supplementary gem (aquamarine), but even so, Garnet can hit Icy, Electric, and Firey monsters for double damage, synergizing beautifully with Opal and Topaz in fewer gems.

To put it another way, let me create a chart illustrating the overall strengths and weaknesses of a Mage using Opal-Topaz-Garnet versus one using Ruby-Aquamarine-Topaz:.

this brings up a point I have been wanting to know. Is there a limit to how many gems can be fused into a single weapon? Because I believe a fusion of Ruby, Opal, Aquamarine, and Emerald leaves no weaknesses and still is effective against Beasts, Earth Monsters, and Plants. And if you add the rarer diamond and amethyst, you still have no weakness but also get a stronger attack against the undead and humanoids. Which I for one would like to put in a weapon, if only for roleplaying reasons.

[CMP]

Flipz, do you ever consider you might be over-analizing something that is suppose to be a fun game to play on a forum?

I think it's fun.

I prefer enchanted weapons for the singular reason of causing quadruple or even octuple damage with a min-maxed weapon like Helbaerand or Ratsbane.

And I don't think there is Tanma, but failing that, the answer is at least 4.

[Brickdoctor]

The only thing that Ruby hits that Opal cannot is icy monsters, and unless a QM is REALLY creative you'll be able to see Icy monsters coming a mile a way and choose not to go on that Quest until you have a suitable weapon.

Hmm... *scribble scribble*

[RPGer]

I need the Ruby for role-playing.

[Darkdragon]

Hmm... *scribble scribble*

Nice one Flipz! Brickdoctor fights weren't hard enough already.

[Tanma]

Nice one Flipz! Brickdoctor fights weren't hard enough already.

Not to mention whose quest Arthur is in at the moment...

[Brickdoctor]

Nice one Flipz! Brickdoctor fights weren't hard enough already.

Five Easy Steps to Beating Brickdoctor's Quests:

1. Roll a Mage.
   
2. Obtain an Amethyst.
   
3. Pwn all the Humanoid enemies.
   
4. ???
   
5. Profit!

[Flipz]

Hmm... *scribble scribble*

I brought that upon myself.

[Darkdragon]

Five Easy Steps to Beating Brickdoctor's Quests:

1. Roll a Mage.
   
2. Obtain an Amethyst.
   
3. Pwn all the Humanoid enemies.
   
4. ???
   
5. Profit!

Oh, I'm successful!

[Flipz]

Five Easy Steps to Beating Brickdoctor's Quests:

1. Roll a Mage.
   
2. Obtain an Amethyst.
   
3. Pwn all the Humanoid enemies.
   
4. ???
   
5. Profit!

You need to add a step in there for gaining a Lucky Die, Arthur's hit with his Amethyst a grand total of twice all Quest.

[Tanma]

To clarify, the catch Arthur got was De'kra's

lack of a mask

He just didn't comment on it.

[Flipz]

Erik walks over to stand between the Maginastra and the heroes. "As much as I'd like a good fight, I will not be a part of the murder of this man, for doing things he thought were for the good of the children. Surely you see that he has seen the error of his ways, and will not do the same thing again? If you still want to fight him, you will have to fight me too."

OOC: can I do that? fight with the Maginastra, against the heroes? If I can't, I will just not fight him.

I say let him. It'll satiate the OMs' collective thirst for blood PvP.

EDIT: Well, at least until I find a good point where it would be convenient for the OMs and in-character for Arthur to attack Isabella and now Nerwen. (Sorry, Chromeknight, our characters in everything just seem destined to conflict! )

Edited May 24, 2012 by Flipz

[Tanma]

I say let him. It'll satiate the OMs' collective thirst for blood PvP.

EDIT: Well, at least until I find a good point where it would be convenient for the OMs and in-character for Arthur to attack Isabella and now Nerwen. (Sorry, Chromeknight, our characters in everything just seem destined to conflict! )

Agreed, I'm with Erik on this one too. Blue dude was in the wrong, but he had good reasons and seems willing not to repeat again.

Edited May 24, 2012 by Tanma

[Flipz]

Agreed, I'm with Erik on this one too. Blue dude was in the wrong, but he had good reasons and seems willing not to repeat again.

And from a more selfish perspective, if he does do it again, it's another chance for more loot and experience for another team of Heroes.

...I scare myself sometimes...

[Rumble Strike]

I am amazed at the turnaround. I thought the Quest was pretty much all wrapped up. The Maginastra had stated his case, Hlin had vented a little, as I wanted to give him something to say as the father of one of the missing children, but it all seemed quite amicable until the final decision. How strange.

I give Myrddyn a lot of credit for thinking through his answer and roleplaying the decision, and not basing it on getting more xp and loot.

[Zepher]

Endgame, I dig your role-playing quite a bit. I'd advise that you proof read though. Names and "I"s are capitalized. It's sad to be distracted by that sort of thing when reading an awesome post.

[Endgame]

Endgame, I dig your role-playing quite a bit. I'd advise that you proof read though. Names and "I"s are capitalized. It's sad to be distracted by that sort of thing when reading an awesome post.

...And the poor grammar and spelling syndrome strikes again! I'll fix it up momentarily.

Due to Sorrow's phobia of traitors passing onto Syntax tenfold, he is ticked. Expect no mercy, Eric!