Flipz Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I didn't make up that scroll, I copied it from someone else's quest or from marketplace or SOMETHING. Unfortunately I didn't record that information and not sure it matters since nobody bought it...and why would it be brought up now anyway? Here's the original posts. I think Sandy's comment was directed at Xarzzan. Scroll of Luck - Grants target the lucky-effect for one battle. Costs 10 ether. Scroll of Luck - Grants target the lucky-effect for one battle. Expends 10 ether to use. Costs 250 gold. What about the scrolls in Jeb's Quest? The beneficial ones aren't 50/50 chance for some reason. I'd support those being 50/50 chance, so long as it's 100% chance outside of battle. If you ever retire Arthur, make him an assistant to Byblos. We need someone with his exposition ability in Heroica. Definitely. Quote
CMP Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I'd support those being 50/50 chance, so long as it's 100% chance outside of battle. I disagree. All one needs is plenty of Tonics and a Scroll of Luck and battles would be beyond easy. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I think the beneficial scrolls, as replacements for consumables, should simply not be allowed to be used outside of battle, the same way that the Healing Staff cannot be used outside of battle as a replacement for a Cleric or consumables. On the other hand, I think the negative effect, aggressive scrolls should be a 100% chance of success outside battle, as they'll probably always be used to get around obstacles, just as elemental magic is used outside of battle. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I think the beneficial scrolls, as replacements for consumables, should simply not be allowed to be used outside of battle, the same way that the Healing Staff cannot be used outside of battle as a replacement for a Cleric or consumables. On the other hand, I think the negative effect, aggressive scrolls should be a 100% chance of success outside battle, as they'll probably always be used to get around obstacles, just as elemental magic is used outside of battle. I agree with this. Quote
CMP Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Either what Doc said, or the ether should be expended even on a failure (outside of battle), on beneficial scrolls. Quote
Waterbrick Down Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I disagree. All one needs is plenty of Tonics and a Scroll of Luck and battles would be beyond easy. Here here, as a long term investment, tonics are cheaper than nostrums which is basically what you are creating in this instance. I agree that positive effects should be left for in battle only, that's what consumables are for. Quote
Capt.JohnPaul Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) Besides, I was observing you" *Johon blushes* "You are very, uh, cute." Please tell me you were bluffing. Those things are not to lie about. JK Edited August 21, 2012 by Capt.JohnPaul Quote
Zepher Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Very much on the run today, but wanted to put up the first Lost Party fight before I left, sorry everyone, it may need to be spell-checked/fixed a little when I return. Quote
Endgame Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Internet explorer closed and reopened twice when I was calculating Round 4. I esentially had to type up the round three times. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Internet explorer There's the problem. Quote
Endgame Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 There's the problem. Indeed. Gonna switch to Firefox very, very soon. Quote
Flipz Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Either what Doc said, or the ether should be expended even on a failure (outside of battle), on beneficial scrolls. I'd rather go with this, as in-battle use only would make them rather frustratingly difficult to use (i.e. HAVING to take a free hit every time someone wanted to use them). Having failures for these cost Ether would essentially double the number of Tonics that would have to be bought, thus more than paying for them that way. Numbers (Currently): 1x Grand Tonic = 15 Ether/30 Gold = 2 Gold/Ether 1x Scroll of Luck use = -10 Ether 1x Scroll of Poison use = -5 Ether (should be increased to -10, IMO) Total cost: 30 Gold for Lucky and Badly Poisoned 1x Nostrum = 35 Gold 1x Deadly Poison = 50 Gold Total cost: 85 Gold for Lucky and Badly Poisoned Numbers: (Proposed): (for sake of calculations, we'll assume it takes exactly two tries for a successful effect use, even though that number could go much, much higher) 3x Grand Tonic = 45 Ether/90 Gold Scroll of Luck use (assuming used until successful) = -20 Ether Scroll of Poison use (assuming ether cost goes up to 10/use) = -20 Ether Total Cost: 90 Gold for Lucky, Badly Poisoned, 5 spare Ether. (Given that each Ether is worth 2 Gold, effective cost is 80 gold) 1x Nostrum = 35 Gold 1x Deadly Poison = 50 Gold Total cost: 85 Gold for Lucky and Badly Poisoned With the new system, that's still a benefeit of 5 Gold per battle, but that's IF the dice are in the player's favor--angry dice gods could make the strategy a LOT less effective. Quote
Capt.JohnPaul Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Indeed. Gonna switch to Firefox very, very soon. These fools putting ether cores in their D drives... Quote
Endgame Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 You guys can always try reading the enemy's minds back... Quote
Capt.JohnPaul Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 You guys can always try reading the enemy's minds back... Althior and Finnegan are really that smart? Quote
K-Nut Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 You guys can always try reading the enemy's minds back... But where's the fun in that? "Birds have long noses. No one here has a nose." This made my day! Quote
Scorpiox Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I admire your patience, Flipz, writing up the whole story of Wren. I sure hope Arthur can be as useful at fighting as he is at summarising. Quote
Capt.JohnPaul Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 This made my day! Was that really that funny? Quote
Endgame Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) Ironic on how you have taken on the grimmest enemy first... Edited August 21, 2012 by Endgame Quote
K-Nut Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Ironic on how you have taken on the grimmest enemy first... Yeah, not my best idea. Quote
Scorpiox Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 'Inky' is turning out to one of the best NPCs that I've ever seen, besides Jeb's Executioner. "Also, Haldor, shouldn't I go first in the battle order, so that if I Seal the Knight his Special cannot harm any of the others? Even if you disagree, I'd appreciate just being in the Battle Order. At all." OOC: I didn't just make that mistake. Quote
Endgame Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 'Inky' is turning out to one of the best NPCs that I've ever seen, besides Jeb's Executioner. "DOes tHat mEan yOu'lL subMIT to eXecuTION? " Quote
Flipz Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 'Inky' is turning out to one of the best NPCs that I've ever seen, besides Jeb's Executioner. I really should get around to reading Death Note one of these days, it seems like almost all of my friends are huge fans. Quote
Endgame Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I really should get around to reading Death Note one of these days, it seems like almost all of my friends are huge fans. ...I've never read it myself. Quote
K-Nut Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) "DOes tHat mEan yOu'lL subMIT to eXecuTION? " Does that mean he's out of the quest if Haldor says yes? Edited August 21, 2012 by K-Nut Quote
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