Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Scubacarrot]

I think someone (John Paul?) dropped an artifact that gave you an extra artifact slot. (or gave you two, but it took up one; final effect being that you had three slots) I remember there was discussion of whether it would be allowed to remain in the game; I don't remember what happened to it.

I'm not sure, but I think it's still in the game.

[Sandy]

Question: do we think there will ever be a way to wear/use additional artifacts? Aka, Sandy, will there ever be a way to fanagle that rule, or are we all permanently stuck with just two artifacts? I think hopping up to three at some point in the leveling up process would be nice, especially as the artifacts keep multiplying (and I keep wanting more and more ).

I'm actually contemplating on allowing players to have "full equipment" (ie. allowing them to equip one artefact from each six subcategories), but I don't know how that will affect the balance of this game. Any opinions?

[Zepher]

I know. I have many more than three artifacts that I would like! I'm just wondering if I'll ever be able to advance past two. The "no more than one type" will permanently limit us to six no matter what, and will prevent too many. I'm not even making an argument either way, I'm just raising the question.

EDIT: I think SIX would be a little much. That would create super-powered heroes, especially this early in the game. I vote that at significant levels where new classes aren't unlocked (let's say 20, 35, 40, 60 for example) adding an extra artifact slot wouldn't be a bad idea. Then the advancement table would look like this.

Level 1 - Base Class/2 Artifacts

Level 15 - Advanced Classes

Level 20 - New Artifact Slot

Level 30 - Expert Classes

Level 35 - New Artifact Slot

Level 40 - New Artifact Slot

Level 50 - Master Classes

Level 60 - New Artifact Slot

It would give the players more to look forward to, particularly once leveling up starts to take more and more time.

And now... the backlash.

Edited September 16, 2012 by Zepher

[Waterbrick Down]

Question: do we think there will ever be a way to wear/use additional artifacts? Aka, Sandy, will there ever be a way to fanagle that rule, or are we all permanently stuck with just two artifacts? I think hopping up to three at some point in the leveling up process would be nice, especially as the artifacts keep multiplying (and I keep wanting more and more ).

One step ahead of you Zepher. Upcoming item idea:

Belt of Misfortune: Legwear, player is permanently jinxed, but may equip up to 3 artifacts, not counting the belt.

[CMP]

I'm actually contemplating on allowing players to have "full equipment" (ie. allowing them to equip one artefact from each subcategory), but I don't know how that will affect the balance of this game. Any opinions?

I think that's fair. You'd still have to make a lot of choices, considering most of the notable artifacts are in the same categories. (Mainly torsowear/accessories).

[Scubacarrot]

I'm actually contemplating on allowing players to have "full equipment" (ie. allowing them to equip one artefact from each six subcategories), but I don't know how that will affect the balance of this game. Any opinions?

While in the past I said no, because it would upset balance, make power differences between players larger. Now I say that probably can't hurt, because of the Artifact store, everyone can get artifacts now, it's not up to the sole mercy of the Qm wether or not you get an artifact.

There need to be more artifacts in the store though.

[Brickdoctor]

I'm actually contemplating on allowing players to have "full equipment" (ie. allowing them to equip one artefact from each six subcategories), but I don't know how that will affect the balance of this game. Any opinions?

Someone brought up the idea of allowing more artifacts to be equipped as a player advanced in Level - I like that idea the best, if equipping of more artifacts is going to be allowed.

[Jedi master Brick]

I'm actually contemplating on allowing players to have "full equipment" (ie. allowing them to equip one artefact from each six subcategories), but I don't know how that will affect the balance of this game. Any opinions?

I would say yes to more artifacts. There is the body part limit which makes a lot of sense and artifacts are commonly available at the market

[Zepher]

Someone brought up the idea of allowing more artifacts to be equipped as a player advanced in Level - I like that idea the best, if equipping of more artifacts is going to be allowed.

Just editing my post with that while everyone was typing.

[Waterbrick Down]

I know. I have many more than three artifacts that I would like! I'm just wondering if I'll ever be able to advance past two. The "no more than one type" will permanently limit us to four no matter what, and will prevent too many. I'm not even making an argument either way, I'm just raising the question.

How would we still be limited to 4? The only downside I can see to allowing all 6 slots to be occupied is the increase in amount of SP available to everyone. It used to be SP was solely the realm of knights. Taking Skrall as an example, he could have a total of 8 SP just from market place artifacts alone and not have to worry about sacrificing any other bonuses. I'm not saying that this will be a bad thing necessarily, but it will definitely impact how the stats of enemies are crafted especially when all the party members have SP.

[Zepher]

Shhhh, I fixed it in editing. I thought there were only 4 types of artifacts available... turns out there are six.

[Brickdoctor]

Just editing my post with that while everyone was typing.

Level 1 - Base Class/2 Artifacts

Level 15 - Advanced Classes

Level 20 - New Artifact Slot

Level 30 - Expert Classes

Level 35 - New Artifact Slot

Level 40 - New Artifact Slot

Level 50 - Master Classes

Level 60 - New Artifact Slot

I like it.

[Sandy]

Thanks for the ideas. If you don't mind, Zepher, I'd like to process your idea into this:

Level 1: one artefact

Level 10: two artefacts

Level 20: three artefacts

Level 30: four artefacts

Level 40: five artefacts

Level 50: six artefacts

Sounds simpler, eh? Naturally the "one from each subcategory" -rule would still be in effect.

[Zepher]

Looks great to me!

Now, someone produce a footwear for Knights.

[CMP]

Thanks for the ideas. If you don't mind, Zepher, I'd like to process your idea into this:

Level 1: one artefact

Level 10: two artefacts

Level 20: three artefacts

Level 30: four artefacts

Level 40: five artefacts

Level 50: six artefacts

Sounds simpler, eh? Naturally the "one from each subcategory" -rule would still be in effect.

Right, but Siercon's level 5 and he's already got 2 artifacts.

I wish I had heroes to mooch stuff off of when I started...

[Waterbrick Down]

Thanks for the ideas. If you don't mind, Zepher, I'd like to process your idea into this:

Level 1: one artefact

Level 10: two artefacts

Level 20: three artefacts

Level 30: four artefacts

Level 40: five artefacts

Level 50: six artefacts

Sounds simpler, eh? Naturally the "one from each subcategory" -rule would still be in effect.

I agree with this and like it.

[Sandy]

Right, but Siercon's level 5 and he's already got 2 artifacts.

Well, he would have to unequip one until he hit Level 10.

But I won't make this into a rule just yet, I want to give people a chance to voice out their opinions.

[CMP]

I'm all for it, it seems fair to me.

[Jedi master Brick]

Thanks for the ideas. If you don't mind, Zepher, I'd like to process your idea into this:

Level 1: one artefact

Level 10: two artefacts

Level 20: three artefacts

Level 30: four artefacts

Level 40: five artefacts

Level 50: six artefacts

Sounds simpler, eh? Naturally the "one from each subcategory" -rule would still be in effect.

Looks good to me

[Brickdoctor]

Sounds good to me.

[Flipz]

I'm in favor of it, though I must say for the record that Zeph's version really appeals to the D&D side of me. That said, I know how much easier your system will be on the QM end of things, so I heartily approve.

[Scorpiox]

That nicely sorts out the artefact rule, Sandy.

As for Quest #38... Wow, Haldor has never been so scrutinised. Here I was, thinking that the NPCs would be quiet and do as they are told, but this being a Zepher quest, they have very deep opinions indeed.

[Zepher]

I have to admit it, I hate my NPCs sometimes. I love writing for them... but it requires me juggling... at this point, somewhere like 20 views on the world. Remembering all of them AND keeping them unique. :wacko: :wacko: Seriously. Just seriously. So hard to figure out who would say what. How does Triad feel about McColt? Would Boomingham and Hans get along? When faced with a bribe, would Russel take it? Would Guffington? How about Mallelio? And none of them can react the exact same way to something, or they'd be boring.

Also, note, the Emperor Brunt Side-quest is being published currently. A month after Dastan is over... sorry. It will bother me and no doubt those players that I already bother to have 30 bumped to the top of the page, but in all honesty, it would bother me more if I failed to ever publish it, so it's going up now.

[Endgame]

For those of you too afraid to go on another Endgame quest, don't worry, I have gone over enemy stats with Sandy and gotten the seal of approval. They'll also be a montain of plot this time, so hooray!

The Proggs are having a very big comeback, so those who liked 36 will love this one.

Edited September 16, 2012 by Endgame

[posades]

The artifact rules seems fine to me; I had originally proposed giving an extra artifact slot after each class change way back when, but with this set-up you get more.