Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Brickdoctor]

I want to take BD on another Quest to see if I can't break the Warden.

(that first batch is hard to remember, right? who remembered that Docken, Christopher, and Eric were on a Wren Quest)

I remembered.

I remember that I mercilessly killed this nameless orc, and then I used that to convince some nameless barbarian to come with me in the escape.

Also, there were these MegaBlokin' anagrams.

[Endgame]

Or maybe you just gave me the idea of making Shaun a spider-eater.

Also likely, but the first option still is cooler.

[Zepher]

The Dastan Trilogy Quests do count as Wren Quests?

On another note, when will we be able to see the finalized class?

They count for the class qualifier, but NOT for those who are able to apply to the final Quest. I figure there was enough Chaos to allow the players to all be Chaos Hunters.

And I don't know. It looks fine to me... but I swear there was something that I was trying to fix, so I'm still holding out and trying to remember what it was that needed reworking.

[Rumble Strike]

Tarn has only encountered Wren in Dastan, so he should be off the potential list.

[CMP]

Tarn has only encountered Wren in Dastan, so he should be off the potential list.

I'm referring to the entire Dastan Trilogy. I'm pretty sure Quest 30 was a full Wren Quest.

[Zepher]

Sorry, further clarification. Quest 30 does count for the final quest. 29 and 31 count towards the class.

[Scubacarrot]

I don't think Expert classes should be given out retroactivily.

[Rumble Strike]

OK, I misunderstood I know Tarn would like to make sure Wren can't go after Ella again.

[Zepher]

I don't think Expert classes should be given out retroactivily.

Don't worry, they're not being given out retroactively!! When I released the class, I said that one would have to be on two Wren Quests. No one had completed that yet, some people just had a head-start. Since there were two Wren Quests left, everyone had equal opportunity to still get the class.

[Scubacarrot]

Don't worry, they're not being given out retroactively!! When I released the class, I said that one would have to be on two Wren Quests. No one had completed that yet, some people just had a head-start. Since there were two Wren Quests left, everyone had equal opportunity to still get the class.

But still, I think Expert classes should be rewards from quests, like: part of the reward from this quest is this class, or part access to the class. Not, this thing you did way back, yeah it arbitrarily counts towards getting this class now, good job! Besides, I think it's cooler to only have a select few have access to it, don't know about you, makes the reward (seem) better.

[CMP]

But still, I think Expert classes should be rewards from quests, like: part of the reward from this quest is this class, or part access to the class. Not, this thing you did way back, yeah it arbitrarily counts towards getting this class now, good job! Besides, I think it's cooler to only have a select few have access to it, don't know about you, makes the reward (seem) better.

Expert Classes are factional rewards, and the Wren Hunters have been a faction since before Expert Classes even existed. It makes sense to me.

[Scubacarrot]

Expert Classes are factional rewards, and the Wren Hunters have been a faction since before Expert Classes even existed. It makes sense to me.

Maybe I'm wrong, but there are no such as thing as reputations with other factions. I don't think there should be, anyway. It's just my opinion, but it's Zepher's call, obviously. I'm just saying, exclusivity and scarcity are powerful things.

[Sandy]

Also to note, when I finally pump out the finalized "Chaos Hunter" class, the following individuals will have the ability to use it (as of right now): Cronk, Tesni, Thothwick, Skrall, Arthur, Jess, Haldor.

Also to note, I haven't accepted Chaos Hunter as an official class yet.

I too think that access to the class (if it's approven) should be given only to those who complete the final quest in the Wren storyline. You can limit the access to the quest to only those who have completed one of the previous quests, though.

[CMP]

Maybe I'm wrong, but there are no such as thing as reputations with other factions.

I thought that's how you got Expert Classes in the first place?

[Scubacarrot]

I thought that's how you got Expert Classes in the first place?

Besides the Houses ones? No, you get them as rewards from Quests, that's how you, if you don't mess it up, prematurely die, make the wrong choices etc, will get the Infiltrator class. Maybe.

[Flipz]

Maybe I'm wrong, but there are no such as thing as reputations with other factions. I don't think there should be, anyway. It's just my opinion, but it's Zepher's call, obviously. I'm just saying, exclusivity and scarcity are powerful things.

The Lion Knights give Reputation; why can't the Wren Hunters?

[Scubacarrot]

The Lion Knights give Reputation; why can't the Wren Hunters?

Why? Do they have an enemy? Or is it only for "part of the class unlock", because if it's the second, why not just call it that, and put that in the reward from the start of the quest.

[CMP]

Why? Do they have an enemy? Or is it only for "part of the class unlock", because if it's the second, why not just call it that, and put that in the reward from the start of the quest.

Expert Classes didn't exist at that point, like the Wren Hunters.

[Scubacarrot]

Expert Classes didn't exist at that point, like the Wren Hunters.

Exactly my point.

[Flipz]

Expert Classes didn't exist at that point, like the Wren Hunters.

Exactly. Plus, it rewards players who dedicate themselves to those factions (by taking on multiple Quests) for their loyalty. Just like the "regular" Expert Classes.

[Sandy]

The Lion Knights give Reputation; why can't the Wren Hunters?

No they don't. I removed the earlier notion about reputation among the Lion Knights from the Heroes Gallery. Now it's only mentioned that someone "has access to the Skirmisher expert class".

Reputation has been limited to the main seven houses for the time being. The expert classes created by other QMs have so far been either quest rewards or related to an item. Which reminds me that I need to get the Harlot description up at the Training Room soon.

[Scubacarrot]

Exactly. Plus, it rewards players who dedicate themselves to those factions (by taking on multiple Quests) for their loyalty. Just like the "regular" Expert Classes.

And that's when I arrive at my first point, you should not reward people for things they did and finished in the past, if you are going to give out a reward, i.e. half the way to unlocking a class, don't do it retroactivily.

[Brickdoctor]

Just because the factions can't give reputation doesn't mean that they can't award classes based on number of quests completed for the faction. It's not being awarded retroactively. The heroes have always had the distinction of having completed the quests for the faction; they are now merely being told what that entitles them to, now that we actually know of the existence of the QM-created Expert Classes.

[Scubacarrot]

Just because the factions can't give reputation doesn't mean that they can't award classes based on number of quests completed for the faction. It's not being awarded retroactively. The heroes have always had the distinction of having completed the quests for the faction; they are now merely being told what that entitles them to, now that we actually know of the existence of the QM-created Expert Classes.

I disagree, but there you go.

[Brickdoctor]

Jedi master Brick, you're supposed to be dividing up 504 Gold, not 404. It doesn't divide into 101 Gold per hero. (unless you intended to give Arasmyth a share, too, but that would be a waste)