Endgame Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 You are wrong. This has been discussed before, I'm pretty sure. It's not a balance issue. It is, though: You can still do damage but can't take it, yet it still counts as targeting. For healing the not-undead it is acceptable, since the enemy actually does regain HP. However, healing an Undead, the worst thing that could happen is just a "No heal." I believe this was why scrolls were nerfed as well. Quote
CMP Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Undead can't be hurt by normal weapons, though. I think it's fair enough. Quote
Palathadric Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 QM Note: In R&D, member Palathadric said bedrolls don't restore ether, and said Sandy never said they did. So I"ll just play it safe and not update your ether until someone finds me a needed quote! Now I can really do this: Never thought you'd take any notice of my comment, but I guess I was the one who fooled you. Quote
Zepher Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 It is a little annoying that when healing an undead, the worst thing that could happen to the hero is that they have to try again next round. There is no way that things go poorly for them (failure doesn't result in damage OR lost ether). However, I see no reason to change it. It is just something QMs need to take into consideration when using Undead enemies. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 It is, though: You can still do damage but can't take it, yet it still counts as targeting. For healing the not-undead it is acceptable, since the enemy actually does regain HP. However, healing an Undead, the worst thing that could happen is just a "No heal." I believe this was why scrolls were nerfed as well. Only undead. Only clerics(+ advanced). Still costs Ether. Offset by the immunity to non elemental weapons. I think it's not imbalance, rather smart play and can cause for some very cool tactics, or in fact battle focusses. Quote
Flipz Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Not trying to weasel my way out, Arthur just isn't impressed with those bozos. Quote
Zepher Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 The explanation of why heroes can't be hurt belongs to Sandy, not I. I don't know if I've published it to the NPC index yet (I will work on that again when this quest is done) but in the Falconer's bio, it is explained that she protects the heroes from death. It's very smart, and all kudos should go to Sandy for it. :wub: Quote
Endgame Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Odd, I'd think the Sand Woman was behind that - more to be revealed, it seems! Quote
Palathadric Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Okay. I looked it up. I was definitely knocked out by the undead in Quest 24 when I was healing them the whole time. It seems like Capt.JohnPaul has been screwing me over. Just think, one level of experience missed! I have to make it up to him. Quote
Capt.JohnPaul Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 You lost a level, you tricked me. Let's call it even. Quote
CMP Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Given where this deal's coming from, I have no doubt we're all gonna regret this... Edited January 17, 2013 by CallMePie Quote
Palathadric Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 You lost a level, you tricked me. Let's call it even. Hmmm...let me think about it. ...scheme...scheme... Quote
Flipz Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Dammit, Arthur, I'm trying to get you nifty gear and an exclusive Expert Class, just swallow your pride and take the damn deal already! Quote
Zepher Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Given where this deal's coming from, I have no doubt we're all gonna regret this... You think I'd make you regret something from the Master of Regret?! Please, that would be far too straight-forward. As my NPCs continiously tell you guys, stop trying to figure them out. I promise you only this- they will be honest in their dying moments, and before that probably never. Also, if Arthur keeps calling the Court Chaos Users, Zane's going to beat him upside the head. Zane doesn't care about Chaos, and doesn't even believe in it. Zander's too stupid for it, and the Magician doesn't worship it. Quote
Flipz Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Dang. I the player don't want to do this, but Arthur just will not let me write him otherwise. Sorry for the inconvenience, folks. You think I'd make you regret something from the Master of Regret?! Please, that would be far too straight-forward. As my NPCs continiously tell you guys, stop trying to figure them out. I promise you only this- they will be honest in their dying moments, and before that probably never. Also, if Arthur keeps calling the Court Chaos Users, Zane's going to beat him upside the head. Zane doesn't care about Chaos, and doesn't even believe in it. Zander's too stupid for it, and the Magician doesn't worship it. And here I thought that Zane was just the skeptic among the bunch. Ah, well, it's in-character knowledge, can't really change Arthur's misperceptions at this point. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Dang. I the player don't want to do this, but Arthur just will not let me write him otherwise. Sorry for the inconvenience, folks. Bah, roleplaying. Quote
Zepher Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) He told you point blank he doesn't believe in Chaos. "Truth be told, I'm not too in love with the idea of Zoot eating everything either. I owed Mephisto and Zee, but that debt was paid when Skrall shot me with an arrow. Now I owe no one- well, no Chaos users at least. I've got two other debts to settle." "Fate? Chance? There are no such things. The world treats me as the fool, but it should look at itself. Arthur, was that your name...? Weak men use those made up words to describe made up things to excuse their weaknesses." Zane spits. "The Master of Regret will love you. He preys on the weak, just as his sister does. Maybe that's why you seem to rub the Gray Wizard the wrong way. The Magician says he's the strongest of the bunch." That was essentially his "Chaos is BS" speech. Edited January 17, 2013 by Zepher Quote
Palathadric Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Bah, roleplaying. I have to say that I thought I was getting the first part of the "Master of Regret's" sentence, but then the second part completely threw me off. Quote
Tanma Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Anyone in the hall consider answering? It has been some time and I have had nothing to do. If no one is left, apologizes for wasting this space asking. OOC: Read Agamemnon for Ancient Tragedies class. Cassandra really needs a hug. Quote
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Also, if Arthur keeps calling the Court Chaos Users, Zane's going to beat him upside the head. Keep going Flipz. I want to see where this goes. Quote
Flipz Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 He told you point blank he doesn't believe in Chaos. That was essentially his "Chaos is BS" speech. Hold on a minute...I understand that Zane's a skeptic who was just repaying a debt and Zander's just plain mad, but if Zee and Mephisto aren't interested in Chaos then why the hell do they want to summon Zoot?! Quote
Endgame Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Hold on a minute...I understand that Zane's a skeptic who was just repaying a debt and Zander's just plain mad, but if Zee and Mephisto aren't interested in Chaos then why the hell do they want to summon Zoot?! Well, Mephisto is just that: a surrogate of one of the archdemon's that serve Zoot. Quote
Flipz Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Well, Mephisto is just that: a surrogate of one of the archdemon's that serve Zoot. Then how is that not intimately connected to Chaos?! Either Zoot is the God of Chaos, or he isn't. The Court is serving a God of Chaos, and a vision of Chaos that Arthur cannot accept. Honestly, at this point he'd rather join freaking Wren than the Court, especially with the Master involved. Quote
Zepher Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 The Court isn't a unified force. That's what they keep trying to tell Arthur, but he is too stubborn to listen. Zee and Mephisto serve Chaos, but the others don't have to. It's not important, if he doesn't understand than he doesn't understand. I was just pointing out that my enemies are often just as divided and secretive as my ally NPCs. Quote
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Honestly, at this point he'd rather join freaking Wren than the Court, especially with the Master involved. Do it. Then we can beat you down. I mean, it would be an interesting character choice. Quote
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