Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Brickdoctor]

Ooh, that's interesting...I was under the impression that it was a weaker Paralyzed; it worked the same, but only worked every other Round. That's the way it was done in WBD's recent Quest, with that rock monster that started off the battle Slowed. I honestly prefer it the way WBD did it, it allows for different strategies.

Yes, Slowed is only supposed to work every other Round. When I created the effect, the intent was that it was the opposite of Hastened, so it only decreases the rate at which the hero or enemy can act, it doesn't prevent them from acting at all. Additionally, a Hastened enemy that becomes Paralyzed loses both its Free Hits, while a Hastened enemy that becomes Slowed should only lose one Free Hit. (because the Slowed-effect only negates the Hastened-effect, instead of specifically affecting Free Hits like the Paralyzed-effect does)

[Scubacarrot]

How did that item change so much, I created it.

[CMP]

Yes, Slowed is only supposed to work every other Round. When I created the effect, the intent was that it was the opposite of Hastened, so it only decreases the rate at which the hero or enemy can act, it doesn't prevent them from acting at all. Additionally, a Hastened enemy that becomes Paralyzed loses both its Free Hits, while a Hastened enemy that becomes Slowed should only lose one Free Hit. (because the Slowed-effect only negates the Hastened-effect, instead of specifically affecting Free Hits like the Paralyzed-effect does)

We're talking about in relation to enemies, not heroes, I think.

[Brickdoctor]

We're talking about in relation to enemies, not heroes, I think.

Yes, I know, that's why I mentioned Free Hits and said "hero or enemy". It works the same way against both. A Slowed enemy cannot act against a hero every other Round, just as a Slowed hero cannot act against an enemy every other Round. And for both heroes and enemies, the Hastened and Slowed effects cancel each other out.

[CMP]

Yes, I know, that's why I mentioned Free Hits and said "hero or enemy". It works the same way against both. A Slowed enemy cannot act against a hero every other Round, just as a Slowed hero cannot act against an enemy every other Round.

The FAQ says they simply nullify an enemy's free hits, though.

[Brickdoctor]

The FAQ says they simply nullify an enemy's free hits, though.

Oh, I see. Not how I imagined the effect would work and not how I think it logically should work, but okay.

[CMP]

Oh, I see. Not how I imagined the effect would work and not how I think it logically should work, but okay.

I think using your description for the Slowed effect dealt to enemies would work if Paralyzed was listed as an 'official' negative effect, but I can't think how Paralyzed could be used against heroes.

[Brickington]

Is the quest even officially over? It doesn't look like Endgame's actually told you that the quest was completed and you could return to the Hall.

I guessed it was all over, two people have already left the scene. But you might be right due to this is my first quest.

[Flipz]

How did that item change so much, I created it.

Oh, I thought that Zeph did. In that case, I guess it'd be up to you, though I have to say I agree with the "lasts for 3 Rounds" thing.

I guessed it was all over, two people have already left the scene. But you might be right due to this is my first quest.

Yes, you cannot leave the Quest and post in the Hall again until your QM gives you permission to do so. Have patience!

I think using your description for the Slowed effect dealt to enemies would work if Paralyzed was listed as an 'official' negative effect, but I can't think how Paralyzed could be used against heroes.

Prevents use of specialty 'Miss', 'Damage', and 'Special Damage' rolls and Counterstrike, perhaps? It's a weak effect in the first place, no sense in making it overly strong against Heroes.

[Scubacarrot]

I just checked and it did indeed say: renders the enemy incapable of dishing out free hits (when I made it). That's a bad idea. If a physical aoe Shield or just AoE weapon in general got hold of it you would have an incredibly easy battle. Three rounds no free hitsis still too much, I thought it was a stun thing, perhaps that's what it should be, a venom that applies a stun. Or: since it's a consumable, just don't make any more of them.

[CMP]

Yes, you cannot leave the Quest and post in the Hall again until your QM gives you permission to do so. Have patience!

Or just hurry up and lop Apprentice's head off. Endgame likes dramatic deaths, if you don't kill him now he'll be bleeding and insulting you guys for another few pages...

And, well, he's the Apprentice to someone, there's probably still that to take care of.

[Flipz]

...I also literally JUST realized that I've forgotten to claim my Mirror Damage against enemies when they Damage me for the entirety of the Quest. Again. Dang it!

Three rounds no free hitsis still too much, I thought it was a stun thing, perhaps that's what it should be, a venom that applies a stun. Or: since it's a consumable, just don't make any more of them.

Not really, actually; aside from the Explosive Staff, the Banana Bladerang, and the Cat O' Nine Tails, it's not easy to get AoE on enemies; if a Barbarian applied Paralyzing Venom to their weapon, then they'd only Paralyze all the enemies on a SHIELD roll. That's not a bad thing; it's rewarding the player for their lucky roll, which is fine; it's little different from getting a lucky AoE roll with other types of poison. It's only with the above three AoE weapons that it breaks the system.

As for the three Rounds being too much thing, nuh-uh, no way. You guys are WAY too crazy with handing out Free Hits these days; we need some sort of defense against them.

I don't like the idea of a straight-up Stun venom; let Stun chances be a special quality of certain weapons and leave it at that.

[Endgame]

Last thing you need to know about Heroica: The quest isn;t over until the QM declares it. Edit out those hall posts, folks!

Last thing you need to know about Endgame: He always has another card up his sleeve. Alwaysalwaysalways.

[Scubacarrot]

I'll leave it up to Zepher, since he seems to have to deal with them (and has dealt with them). Saves me the thinking hard about balance. And look at Eric and Guts and tell me again it's hard to roll AoE.

[joeshmoe554]

Or just hurry up and lop Apprentice's head off. Endgame likes dramatic deaths, if you don't kill him now he'll be bleeding and insulting you guys for another few pages...

And, well, he's the Apprentice to someone, there's probably still that to take care of.

I kind of like the idea of walking away while the Apprentice is screaming bloody murder and bleeding to death. As for his cousin, the Stealer of Senses, I don't think we'll get an opportunity to "take care of" him since the previous battle was listed as the Final Battle. If there is another battle, then the QM would have lied to us, and what kind of QM would lie to his players.

[Flipz]

I'll leave it up to Zepher, since he seems to have to deal with them (and has dealt with them). Saves me the thinking hard about balance. And look at Eric and Guts and tell me again it's hard to roll AoE.

You're also both stinking rich and can afford Nostrum up the wazoo, and you two seem to get WAY more SHIELDs than any of the rest of us anyway. Though I do admit you'd both be nightmares to balance with Paralyzing Venom, you're kind of both nightmares to balance for anyway--not just for your insane stats, but also for your sheer dumb luck.

[Scubacarrot]

Also, just so that it doesn't go unsaid, Guts would totally kick Eric's megablocks, Guts is completely immune to Eric's main weapon, which also takes away the benefit of his most powerful artifact, the Evasion Boots, since he would logically switch to his throwing weapons instead.

Sheer dumb luck.

Is it luck though, or just skill? I'd like to think it's skill.

[Flipz]

If there is another battle, then the QM would have lied to us, and what kind of QM would lie to his players.

Ah, the naievety of new players...

Vital rule of Heroica: never trust the QM.

[CMP]

Is it luck though, or just skill? I'd like to think it's skill.

Real skill is when you don't depend on luck.

[Flipz]

Is it luck though, or just skill? I'd like to think it's skill.

If you've both managed to hack random.org somehow, then I suppose yes, it's skill.

[Dannylonglegs]

Yes, never trust Endgame. He promised me tough baddies, but I haven't seen any yet.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[Endgame]

Yes, never trust Endgame. He promised me tough baddies, but I haven't seen any yet.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Pah, you guys would probably be dead by now if it wasn't for those damn color-coded orders.

[Dannylonglegs]

Pah, you guys would probably be dead by now if it wasn't for those damn color-coded orders.

Exactly, they're your one weakness! But now that I know it, I can never be satisfied by battle again. I am doomed to wonder Heroica the empty shell of a strategist, soulless and alone.... What?

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[Flipz]

Pah, you guys would probably be dead by now if it wasn't for those damn color-coded orders.

Maybe, but you would probably be dead by now from trying to figure out the non-color-coded ones.

[Endgame]

One last little conversation before 56 is over - it'll probably be done by tonight!

No, but seriously Danny... Eidolon is going to be the toughest battle I'll have made yet. Tremble!