Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Scubacarrot]

Yes, the Damage calculations of the current Arena rules don't make sense. Especially at the higher Levels now, Aim can be more powerful than Critical Hit. I believe the new rules are using the regular calculations and dividing them by two or three (depending on the roll) to make the battles last longer.

It's good that you are working on different rules, some of the rules are really weird, but those calculations are still hard to accept. At higher levels especially, hits of 100+ before doublings things will become common soon-ish. Here is what should happen how I see it: Remove Rows. They have no place in the arena. They give a distinct advantage to back row-weapons, either twice as much damage dealt than the front row fighter (if the front row fighter chooses to go back row), or half damage taken and twice as much damage dealt if the front row fighter goes to the front row. In normal situations this is countered by a rogue's money making or the barbarian's AoE and Extra Critical Hit, but there is no money making in the arena, and no AoE potential (unless group fights are introduced, which I would like to see). This is just one thing. SP and the ridiculous high possibility for attacks are different points. I don't have solid proposals for how to solve these problems (yet), but I will think about it. I have been thinking about hosting a relatively shortquest that is basically a tournament with players both having the option of fighting each other and NPC's as well, which I may do soon (Yes I know, Quest 40 is not done).

Edited March 7, 2013 by Scubacarrot

[Dannylonglegs]

Endgame, you started a rap battle with your "innocent" Status update.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[Scubacarrot]

And no, it would not be like 7, there would be no capturing, no introduction to evil villains, no forced fighting each other and no anagrams.

[Brickdoctor]

there would be... no anagrams.

It's good that you are working on different rules, some of the rules are really weird, but those calculations are still hard to accept. At higher levels especially, hits of 100+ before doublings things will become common soon-ish. Here is what should happen how I see it: Remove Rows. They have no place in the arena. They give a distinct advantage to back row-weapons, either twice as much damage dealt than the front row fighter (if the front row fighter chooses to go back row), or half damage taken and twice as much damage dealt if the front row fighter goes to the front row. In normal situations this is countered by a rogue's money making or the barbarian's AoE and Extra Critical Hit, but there is no money making in the arena, and no AoE potential (unless group fights are introduced, which I would like to see). This is just one thing. SP and the ridiculous high possibility for attacks are different points. I don't have solid proposals for how to solve these problems (yet), but I will think about it. I have been thinking about hosting a relatively shortquest that is basically a tournament with players both having the option of fighting each other and NPC's as well, which I may do soon (Yes I know, Quest 40 is not done).

Removing rows to make it more fair to Rogues and Barbarians takes away any reason to play a Ranger or a Mage in the Arena, though, so I would be against that. On the subject of Rogues and Barbarians, though, Barbarians should get a buff to their Damage-dealing capabilities in the new rules, and Rogues should be able to gain Gold.

[Endgame]

Endgame, you started a rap battle with your "innocent" Status update.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

As you wish - I'll crush you in my profile and 48!

[Dannylonglegs]

As you wish - I'll crush you in my profile and 48!

You wish.

Read it and weep.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Edited March 7, 2013 by Dannylonglegs

[Scubacarrot]

Removing rows to make it more fair to Rogues and Barbarians takes away any reason to play a Ranger or a Mage in the Arena, though, so I would be against that. On the subject of Rogues and Barbarians, though, Barbarians should get a buff to their Damage-dealing capabilities in the new rules, and Rogues should be able to gain Gold.

I don't see what you mean, if the reason is they are blatantly overpowered in there as that is the only reason now, then that should be taken away, yes. I say they only get roughly the same stats as others, not an effective doubling in output and halving of input because of row advantage. And Rogues should never be able to gain gold in anything other than Quests, it will lead to very easy moneymaking. I will try to whip something up tomorrow so I can illustrate my points.

[Brickdoctor]

And Rogues should never be able to gain gold in anything other than Quests, it will lead to very easy moneymaking. I will try to whip something up tomorrow so I can illustrate my points.

There would of course be some sort of limitation on Gold gaining in the Arena, and there is already the "no-autorolling" rule in place to prevent abusing the Arena for easy loot. (plus if we decide to go with Rogues stealing Gold from the opponent, the opponent needs only to give all their Gold to another player before the battle, or the Rogue can always decide to give the Gold back)

[Scubacarrot]

Which would effectively result in either no benefit to rogues after all or no one willing to fight rogues. I know I wouldn't want to fight an enemy that can take my stuff, I already think that there are enemies that can do it is a bad thing.

[Endgame]

Read it and weep.

My keyboard is drenched with tears - of laughter.

Before this spirals further into the abyss of being off-topic, I would agree that there should be no loot to be gained whatsoever - though I think that the requirements for the rewards should be dropped a bit.

[Scorpiox]

Endgame, you started a rap battle with your "innocent" Status update.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

I just read that, hilarious!

[Dannylonglegs]

My keyboard is drenched with tears - of laughter.

You have been... Out-rapped! I hope the actual fight goes as well.

Warning: Contains Epic Rap and maybe a swear word or two.

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    Endgame
    Mean Lean TPK Machine gonna wipe your HP gauges clean, while the QM laughs, that fiend!Today, 12:35 PM
    
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        Dannylonglegs
        Damn, son, that's a pretty mean rap, but when it comes to EE, I'ma bust a cap--in his head, he'll wish he were dead, soaked in red, but I've said, I won't let him slip so easy into bed. He'll pay for what he's done, by the moons and the sun and the powers at be that make our team number one. There's no chance that he'll make it out alive, (Unless the QM says so, which makes it justified.)
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        Dannylonglegs
        I hope you're not bitter cause we're dealing the pain, but we'll make him our shitter, they'll call us "Progg's-Bane." When we're through, I won't forget you, and I'll give you some Hell when I'm a QM too. >:)
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        Endgame
        You think Eidolon is just going to keel over and die? Trust me, my druid, better have tried. Eidolon is packing the Passives, bringing the storm, will make every man, woman, and child on Uland wish they were never born! Everybody in Heroica knows Eidolon will crush you like ants - why do you try to fix it with some useless herbs and a posse of plants?
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        Dannylonglegs
        Ha, you arrogant elephant fool, I'd kill other Heroes before I let you rule. You think you're a god 'cause you can fire lightning, but to a cloaked druid, you aren't even frightening.
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        Dannylonglegs
        Sure, fire your arrows, sure turn up the heat, but you won't be laughing when you're attacking your own feet. I'll divide and conquer your wings and Tail, and when they're all confused then you're bound to fail. If You were your brother, I'd spell it out it braille, I'm delivering doom, and guess what, you've got mail!
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        Endgame
        I gave you a round of shock therapy, but I guess it is failin'; you're still spewing crap like a demented Sarah Palin. You cower behind gods because you have no hope of victory - gotta pray to higher begins just to scratch me! Why are you and your gang of sellswords even try? No matter the strategy, you're all going to die. You had a chance to rock me like a hurricane but I'm just not impressed by your power... I'll gut your entire party, throw you off of the belltower...
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        Dannylonglegs
        Boy, you've got bats in your belfry if you think you can out-rhyme and out strategy me. You think you've got power, you think you've got skill, but I won't even cower, now take a chill-pill.
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        Dannylonglegs
        you're nothing more than a drugged up crab with a whole lot of lightning, but no gift of the gab. You think you'll out-rhyme or two-time or just slime my group, but I'm all-prime, I'm sublime,I'll make a war-crime out of you! When this encounter is over and we've beaten your megablocks, as a Druid, I can inform you it's gunna be stomped on like grass.
        

      [*]Sure you’ve got an army, but I’ll do you one better, we tore neck holes in your death squad and made a new sweater. Not to mention all your men we killed, that makes us, what? Heroes 100: Eidoloion: nill?

      We converted your nurse and killed your two brothers, so tell me which of us is superior to the other.

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      Dannylonglegs

      What have you done? You’re all bark, no bite. I think it’s pretty clear who’ll be leaving this fight. You can’t back the buck. You don’t walk-the walk. I’ve heard you’re a truck, but you’re really all talk.

Victory.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[CMP]

Sylph should go Minstrel.

[Dannylonglegs]

Sylph should go Minstrel.

I would, but that's, tragically, not at all Sylph's character. Probably my next character.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Edited March 7, 2013 by Dannylonglegs

[Zepher]

53- No time for an update tonight, and I'm traveling home for Spring Break most of tomorrow. So it's looking like tomorrow evening is our best bet, though I'm also hopeful about tomorrow morning (I might be able to snag some time). Just a heads up!

[Endgame]

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

Blast you, Dannylonglegs!

...Oh wait, I still have a brutal final boss you actually have to win before you get bragging rights.

[Flipz]

53- No time for an update tonight, and I'm traveling home for Spring Break most of tomorrow. So it's looking like tomorrow evening is our best bet, though I'm also hopeful about tomorrow morning (I might be able to snag some time). Just a heads up!

Good to know, thanks!

[CMP]

If I'm a little inactive the next couple of days, Ulimited Quest/Quest 53 people, it means I've given up on Bright House and am getting a new ISP this weekend. Well, that's happening either way, but I have no idea if I'll be able to get a decent connection between now and then.

On the bright side, I've made a surprising amount of progress on my next Quest without the internet to distract me.

Edited March 8, 2013 by CallMePie

[Dannylonglegs]

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

Blast you, Dannylonglegs!

...Oh wait, I still have a brutal final boss you actually have to win before you get bragging rights.

Damn, you're right.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[CorneliusMurdock]

Sylph should go Minstrel.

Only if you consider rapping to be music... I might go so far as to consider it poetry but that's as far as I'll budge.

[CMP]

Only if you consider rapping to be music...

Definitely not, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be funny.

[Dannylonglegs]

Definitely not, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be funny.

I agree, but if I go Minstrel, I'll try to play it more 1590s and less 1990s. I wrote a Bar song for my upcoming Quest too. It's a shame I don't know how to convey tune over the interwebs. In that respect, Rap is easier.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[Rumble Strike]

Cracking rap battle there. Someone needs to make a comic out of it!

[Capt.JohnPaul]

Only if you consider rapping to be music... I might go so far as to consider it poetry but that's as far as I'll budge.

Me as well. I almost never consider rap music. I just tell people, "It's vulgar poetry."

[Palathadric]

I think group fights in the arena is definitely necessary, because apart from mage and clerics fighting, or effect-dealing weapons, there has not be too much strategy involved in the arena fights, which makes them kind of dull.

Great rap duel!