Heroica RPG General Discussion

[CMP]

This a dumb question, but will fusing an 'effective' gem into a weapon with a 'not effective gem' cancel the power out? And how does a Hunter's favored type figure into it, does that also cancel out a 'not effective'?

Multipliers do stack and balance. So a gem with a x2 multiplier against a certain type of monster and a gem ineffective against the same type (a x0 multiplier) would actually balance out to no multiplier at all, or a x1 multiplier. Two gems effective against the same type of monster will stack to a x4 multiplier. Two gems ineffective against the same type of monster remains at x0.

A Hunter's Favored type of monster is a completely separate multiplier that will take place no matter what.

Edited March 28, 2013 by CallMePie

[Brickdoctor]

A Hunter's Favored type of monster is a completely separate multiplier that will take place no matter what.

But at the same time the Favored multiplier is at the mercy of the elemental modifier's effectiveness - a Hunter with Demons favored and a Darkness-elemental weapon will still deal no Damage to a Demon. (since Darkness-elemental Damage *3 is still Darkness-elemental Damage)

So to answer the second question, Favored can augment effective elements, but will not cancel out ineffective elements.

[CMP]

But at the same time the Favored multiplier is at the mercy of the elemental modifier's effectiveness - a Hunter with Demons favored and a Darkness-elemental weapon will still deal no Damage to a Demon. (since Darkness-elemental Damage *3 is still Darkness-elemental Damage)

So to answer the second question, Favored can augment effective elements, but will not cancel out ineffective elements.

Maybe...but if the elemental multiplier is 0, you can apply the Favored multiplier and it would make no difference. 39 x 0 x 3 is still 0. You have a good point though, I hadn't thought about that. But as long as you're smart with what gems you imbue his weapon with, the massive multipliers you could have would be worth it, I think.

[Brickdoctor]

Maybe...but if the elemental multiplier is 0, you can apply the Favored multiplier and it would make no difference. 39 x 0 x 3 is still 0.

Yeah, that's what I meant: the Favored is still applied, it just has no effect. (see "Darkness-elemental Damage *3 is still Darkness-elemental Damage") I'd never thought of using a *0 to represent elemental ineffectiveness in the posted calculations - that's a good idea.

[Zepher]

Okay, side-quests posted, hopefully they'll give some insight on some character's (Nyx/Pandora's interaction is awesome, at least read it for her!!). And that is an official wrap on Quest 53. Character analysis tomorrow, and then we'll be done for good.

[CMP]

Okay, side-quests posted, hopefully they'll give some insight on some character's (Nyx/Pandora's interaction is awesome, at least read it for her!!).

Absolutely awesome roleplaying from both of you. :thumbup:

[The Legonater]

Great roleplaying from all of you. I really love how the Nyx/XX relationship is playing out, and I hope to see more of it in the future somehow!

[Waterbrick Down]

Of all your characters Zepher, I think XX is the one that has become the most alive to me. Very well done to both you and Pandora.

[Zepher]

I particularly liked in the speeches (just re-read them myself) the idea that the villains all knew each other too, and probably had talks just like you heroes did.

[Flipz]

Hot damn, Zepher, Pandora, that Nyx sidequest is awesome.

I would actually be very interested in seeing some sort of short story featuring XX's past. Of course I want to meet XX again in Quests, but I wouldn't necessarily want to dive directly into his backstory the way we've done with Wren. A short story sounds like just the ticket (and as an added bonus, no players means you can do as many or as few pictures as you want and no one will complain! ).

[CMP]

I particularly liked in the speeches (just re-read them myself) the idea that the villains all knew each other too, and probably had talks just like you heroes did.

"...So it's agreed, then. I'll take the Explosive Staff II, the Chains of the Pongcanis Chieftain, and the Cloak of Chaos."

"Actually, if I had the Chains, as well as the Zoot's Wrath, and I was Lucky, I could cut right through Cronk and Hoke's SP."

"Good point. Oh, don't forget the Boots of Burning, you'll be immune to stunned, that'll help if Arthur's with them."

"What about the Chaos Mail? XX could really use the SP if he's going to fight Nyx."

"I can't wear it if I have the Chains of the Pongcanis Chieftain."

"Oh, right."

"Okay, then I'll keep that. What about the Cowl of Acerpusculum you got off Triad?"

"I'm keeping it, but I'll lend it to you so you can't be poisoned."

"If that's the case, maybe you should take the Helm of Heretics."

"It won't help it all if Skrall's going to that spire. Maybe we should just change parties again...."

[Zepher]

:laugh:

I meant more the roleplaying aspect.

Great item names. The changing parties line at the end = funny because it is painfully true. And actually the trading artifacts part too. Updating a party of 16 is something I will never. ever. do. again. Flipz, I'll thank you officially tomorrow, but you were a great help.

[Flipz]

"...So it's agreed, then. I'll take the Explosive Staff II, the Chains of the Pongcanis Chieftain, and the Cloak of Chaos."

"Actually, if I had the Chains, as well as the Zoot's Wrath, and I was Lucky, I could cut right through Cronk and Hoke's SP."

"Good point. Oh, don't forget the Boots of Burning, you'll be immune to stunned, that'll help if Arthur's with them."

"What about the Chaos Mail? XX could really use the SP if he's going to fight Nyx."

"I can't wear it if I have the Chains of the Pongcanis Chieftain."

"Oh, right."

"Okay, then I'll keep that. What about the Cowl of Acerpusculum you got off Triad?"

"I'm keeping it, but I'll lend it to you so you can't be poisoned."

"If that's the case, maybe you should take the Helm of Heretics."

"It won't help it all if Skrall's going to that spire. Maybe we should just change parties again...."

I think I must have officially gone insane over the course of this Quest. I actually have the urge to try and re-write all of the battles from the enemy party perspectives now.

[Brickdoctor]

Updating a party of 16 is something I will never. ever. do. again.

Didn't you say something like that after hosting the party of eight in Quest 7?

[Flipz]

Didn't you say something like that after hosting the party of eight in Quest 7?

And after the Battle of Drakencourt?

...although, that one was kind of expressed by all three of you.

[LordoftheNoobs]

I don't mean to be annoying (I probably am though :P), but has anyone got a new quest in the works? I'm pretty eager to get into the game already! :D

Edited March 28, 2013 by LordoftheNoobs

[Dannylonglegs]

I've got a question. Say you're a mage, and you're up against a flying monster, and you've got a topaz and a garnet. In order to maximize every single shield (which picks a random gem from your possession), could you drop said garnet (which, as we all know, doesn't effect flying monsters) from your bag, effectively removing it from your possession, until the battle ended and then retrieve it? Could you do that to multiple gems? Would that take a turn, or would it be instantaneous? Has this already been asked?

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[PsyKater]

I've got a question. Say you're a mage, and you're up against a flying monster, and you've got a topaz and a garnet. In order to maximize every single shield (which picks a random gem from your possession), could you drop said garnet (which, as we all know, doesn't effect flying monsters) from your bag, effectively removing it from your possession, until the battle ended and then retrieve it? Could you do that to multiple gems? Would that take a turn, or would it be instantaneous? Has this already been asked?

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Good question!

[Flipz]

I've got a question. Say you're a mage, and you're up against a flying monster, and you've got a topaz and a garnet. In order to maximize every single shield (which picks a random gem from your possession), could you drop said garnet (which, as we all know, doesn't effect flying monsters) from your bag, effectively removing it from your possession, until the battle ended and then retrieve it? Could you do that to multiple gems? Would that take a turn, or would it be instantaneous? Has this already been asked?

~Insectoid Aristocrat

You could spend a turn (and your teammate's turn) handing your ineffective gem to another party member, but you can't just "drop" it.

Edited March 28, 2013 by Flipz

[Dannylonglegs]

You could spend a turn (and your teammate's turn) handing your ineffective gem to another party member, but you can't just "drop" it.

I thought that's what the verdict would be. Thanks.

Cloak, Dagger, and Cane! I considered having his cane be dropped as well, but there aren't any clerics in the party. The accent is to differentiate him from Pretzel. (Jk, they're pretty different. sorta.)

~Insectoid Aristoctrat

Edited March 28, 2013 by Dannylonglegs

[joeshmoe554]

The passive specials of the brothers buff each other so no one attack the cloak until the rest are finished. It should make the fight easier.

I've been wondering when you guys would figure that out. Attacking both evenly makes the fight all the more difficult, down one of the brothers and the rest of the fight should be quite a bit easier.

[PsyKater]

[joeshmoe554]

"Yea, we should." Sir Brickington put a sword at Sullivan's neck and Using Diplomacy, "Why, man? Why did you do all of this?"

I love the Heroican definition of diplomacy.

[Cutcobra]

I love the Heroican definition of diplomacy.

Brickington just doesn't know the difference between Diplomacy and Intimidacion .

[Dannylonglegs]

Brickington just doesn't know the difference between Diplomacy and Intimidacion .

They should call it, "Aggressive Negotiations."

I've been wondering when you guys would figure that out. Attacking both evenly makes the fight all the more difficult, down one of the brothers and the rest of the fight should be quite a bit easier.

I was hoping they wouldn't.

~Insectoid Aristocrat