Scubacarrot Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Talk to Thothwick. While I feel that way. (and I don't really feel that way at all, is what I mean), Guts doesn't. Also, Witches, he doesn't really care one way or the other. Atramor seems to be alright, for the time being. Well, if anyone would start that, it would probably be the Zeigfrieds, what with their crazy interest in exotic animals. You can't trust the Ziegfrieds though. They unleash Demons and are Necromancers and all that. Freakin' mages. Quote
Dannylonglegs Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 You can't trust the Ziegfrieds though. They unleash Demons and are Necromancers and all that. Freakin' mages. Agreed. Cursed Mages, always unleashing omnicidal crustaceans and whatnot. ~Insectoid Aristocrat Quote
Flipz Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 While I feel that way. (and I don't really feel that way at all, is what I mean), Guts doesn't. Also, Witches, he doesn't really care one way or the other. Atramor seems to be alright, for the time being. I was mostly just making a joke that Thothwick seems to like making organizations. Quote
Peppermint_M Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Well darn. Looks like I've got my first failed quest. Quote
Scorpiox Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Well darn. Looks like I've got my first failed quest. It's such a shame really. The quest was so utterly brilliant that I've been following it since the start, it saddens me to see it end the wrong way. I guess the reason why I like it so much is because the room combat system is essentially the Fields but with roleplay, putting back the main thing I see missing with them. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I guess the reason why I like it so much is because the room combat system is essentially the Fields but with roleplay, putting back the main thing I see missing with them. I don't think roleplaying in the Fields would be that difficult; the last two parties just haven't been that interested in doing it. Quote
CMP Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 It's such a shame really. The quest was so utterly brilliant that I've been following it since the start, it saddens me to see it end the wrong way. Yeah, it's unfortunate to see it end like this. The setting and enemies were both really interesting. ...Can we look forward to "Quest #67: 35 Stars of Destiny: The Search for Jun" at some point? Quote
Cutcobra Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 How about we get a list of all the remaining stars?. I really liked the enemies in that quest . Quote
Endgame Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 How about we get a list of all the remaining stars?. I really liked the enemies in that quest . Indeed, I was really interested in seeing what lied at the quest's end. Quote
Scubacarrot Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Oooh this is a perfect set-up for Jun to become the next supervillain. I love it when characters have the potential to become supervillains. Still disappointed Arthur isn't one. But Althior might become one, so that's exciting to me. "Do you not understand? I'm trying to be good. I'm on a conquest to rid this world of crime and deceit, yet none of you can realize that." Just read this, perfect supervillain material! I don't think roleplaying in the Fields would be that difficult; the last two parties just haven't been that interested in doing it. "Hey yeah, let's go over there and totally murder those poor animals for no reason whatsover!" Quote
Zepher Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 People practicing on animal could be role played. Heroica doesn't really lend itself to villainy, which is why we have to make up NPCs. Quote
PsyKater Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I would be glad to go to the Fields for a while if Amma gets back soon enough and the party can need her. If not - no problem. Quote
Kintobor Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Don't worry PsyKater, the quest is practically done, I'm just waiting on loot distribution so we can move on to the ending and your "bonus reward" for reuniting Violet and Aldus. Edited April 23, 2013 by Kintobor Quote
Scubacarrot Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Heroica doesn't really lend itself to villainy, which is why we have to make up NPCs. But it does lend itself to set-ups to villainy, and while it'd be hard to be a real villain in Heroica. (well, actually, you could go into the Fields) There is definitely the potential for acts of villainy. Quote
Zepher Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 If someone was a hero of heroica and then dropped out and became an evil NPC, that'd be cool. It is what CJP already did. Quote
The Legonater Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 If someone was a hero of heroica and then dropped out and became an evil NPC, that'd be cool. It is what CJP already did. I'm surprised you didn't mention Wren. Unless you were getting at actual PC's dropping off. But Wren is nearly a PC in her own right. Quote
Flipz Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Oooh this is a perfect set-up for Jun to become the next supervillain. I love it when characters have the potential to become supervillains. Still disappointed Arthur isn't one. But Althior might become one, so that's exciting to me. Arthur hasn't been betrayed by the good yet. He turned from Wren because she betrayed him...and that shook him. Althior could have been the catalyst for a more heartless turn, except Arthur had already considered him to be hostile (like he does/did Haldor--that's a complicated relationship there, one I have NO idea how to analyze...), so it's not really a betrayal. Arthur's a...fragile personality, at the moment. He's at a point where he's easily swayed...which makes it real easy for someone to push him off the edge to become a villain--either an Orderly sort, a la "Knight Templar", or a more Chaotic sort like a traditional villain. (The other two potential villain types I could see for Arthur were "Well-Intentioned Extremist", which was what he was before being scared straight--he's lost some of the idealism he'd need for that--and "Corrupt Cynic", which needs something of a "Humiliation Conga" rather than one dramatic incident.) But it does lend itself to set-ups to villainy, and while it'd be hard to be a real villain in Heroica. (well, actually, you could go into the Fields) There is definitely the potential for acts of villainy. I honestly think that Heroica needs more Quests that are outright villainous. People keep referring to Heroes as mercenaries and sellswords, but they only ever seem to offer "good" Quests--or at least, Quests that look "good" on the surface. We need more Quests that go along the lines of "This rich philanthropist is causing unnecessary competition for my business. Kill him for me." Stuff like that. I think Quest 50 was intended to turn out that way--but again, that's villainy hidden by a disguise of goodness, not brazen villainy. Quote
Tanma Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Arthur hasn't been betrayed by the good yet. He turned from Wren because she betrayed him...and that shook him. Althior could have been the catalyst for a more heartless turn, except Arthur had already considered him to be hostile (like he does/did Haldor--that's a complicated relationship there, one I have NO idea how to analyze...), so it's not really a betrayal. Arthur's a...fragile personality, at the moment. He's at a point where he's easily swayed...which makes it real easy for someone to push him off the edge to become a villain--either an Orderly sort, a la "Knight Templar", or a more Chaotic sort like a traditional villain. (The other two potential villain types I could see for Arthur were "Well-Intentioned Extremist", which was what he was before being scared straight--he's lost some of the idealism he'd need for that--and "Corrupt Cynic", which needs something of a "Humiliation Conga" rather than one dramatic incident.) ...Well that puts De'kra considering renaming Arthur as Vakama in perspective. That was not intentional by the way. Quote
Endgame Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Sorrow doesn't have it in him to become a villain, but I have two words to contribute to this discussion: Red Sun. Quote
Peppermint_M Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I would maybe return to the tower. If there is a chance, to rescue Jun. Quote
Rumble Strike Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 It has been given a cliffhanger ending! I think it'll be offered by Sandy as a new Quest to sign up for later on. Looks as though there was a lot of interest in it from observers, and now the concept has been shown people will have a better idea than we did as what to expect. Quote
Capt.JohnPaul Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I honestly think that Heroica needs more Quests that are outright villainous. People keep referring to Heroes as mercenaries and sellswords, but they only ever seem to offer "good" Quests--or at least, Quests that look "good" on the surface. We need more Quests that go along the lines of "This rich philanthropist is causing unnecessary competition for my business. Kill him for me." Stuff like that. I think Quest 50 was intended to turn out that way--but again, that's villainy hidden by a disguise of goodness, not brazen villainy. I've thought about "bad" quests, but I don't think we should use them. Heroica is for good, so it should not accept evil request. Quote
Dannylonglegs Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I agree that Bad Quests should exist, but I think that they should not be quite as blunt as you make it. Heroica is not a common mercenary organization in that regards. Heroes usually stick to a moral code of some sorts, and if the act they were hired to do was explicitly vile, I think the Veterans would turn it down. That said, Quests leaning on the darker side of morally ambiguous are excellent ideas. The objective of my quest is rather explicitly to help a massive organization enact a monopoly problem-free, and while both sides are simply in it for the money, a very convincing idealistic case could be made against the Hinckwells' actions in this. Not to give anything away, but Fleur will not be moralizing with the Party. ~Insectoid Aristocrat Quote
UsernameMDM Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 So will Quest 50 have to be done over again? I love a shot at getting that blade for Hoke! Quote
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